The Freeman Movement and England

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You mean the ones who did consent or were tricked into granting the appearance thereof? Or the ones who are not in jail and did not consent? I know far more of those then I do the former.
 
FreemanMenard said:
What they were after was evidence of me being in their jurisdiction and bound by their orders. What they got was an order, (now pay attention here, it is critical) barring some party who goes by the name 'Respondent Robert Arthur Menard of North Vancouver' from doing those things. That is not me.
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Have you done the things that the order bars "Robert Arthur Menard of North Vancouver" from doing since the order came into force?
 
Are you claiming that you did not pay costs as ordered? I believe you. So what?
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It is evidence that the order has nothing to do with me, and is not applicable to me, cause it was made BY A HUMAN BEING who does not have authority over me without my consent. I can point to thousands of orders I refused to follow, cause they were not directed at me. That is the issue here. Was the order directed at me? If it was I would have paid. I did not. The court refused to order me to do so, as they did not wish to place an order upon me without my consent. See the proof? No you won't! You will say 'So What' and dismiss what a truly critical mind would see as evidence that the court can't enforce its orders without consent.

Sorry if I thought you were American. Would you like to try to govern me without my consent? Either directly or indirectly by proxy? CARE TO TRY? Or are you scared reality will set in and destroy your long held beliefs? I challenge you to govern me without my consent. Hey if you can do it then so can the government, and if you can't neither can they, as they are only your representatives, and have no power that you do not have.

So get to it!
 
FreemanMenard said:
What they were after was evidence of me being in their jurisdiction and bound by their orders. What they got was an order, (now pay attention here, it is critical) barring some party who goes by the name 'Respondent Robert Arthur Menard of North Vancouver' from doing those things. That is not me. I have told them so, and they refused to disagree with me, or claim otherwise. All they were willing to claim was the secured an order not against me, but against some person with a name similar to but not identical with mine. Neither the Law Society, mor the courts are willing to identify the affected party. And when I brought that to the attention of the RCMP, they checked it out, and that order, because the ones who gave it did not wish to make the claims you are making so ignorantly, considered the order NULL AND VOID. You will not find it published in the Public Notices section of the website like all the others, only in The Benchers Bulletin, which has no legal force or effect. Also if you read the top of that section, you will see they were forced to (thanks to me) add that the restrictions when in place is limited to acting for a fee, gain or reward, and does not include acts done for free, or to secure a payment on a previous debt.

As for dropping the costs, if there was anyway at all they could shut me up and stop what you claim is harming people would they not do so? Just to make a big fat example out of me? Why do they not do that? THEY CAN"T! Why not just demand payment, get refused run to court and get an order confining me to jail until I paid or agreed to do so?

THE ORDER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.
Want proof?
Law Society not willing to claim it affects me. They are the ones who secured it.
Chief Justice of the Supreme COurt does not wish to claim it affects me. He is the one who gave it.
POLICE do not wish to claim it affects me. They are the ones who enforce it.

That order is a complete joke, and when examined properly, you see that what is lacking is my consent. Just look on the Law Society website. The name above the one that looks like mine, they mention he consented. If consent was not important why mention it?
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So you base this word salad on the fact that you recognize your own make-believe status as an FOTLer, but the court doesn't and insists on calling you Robert Arthur Menard? Therefore any order from the court doesn't apply to you?

Good grief. This is monumental self-delusion.
 
Rob
Why didnt you post a call to ban my site on WFS?
Is it because your members might see it and think........ "oh no I think Jargon Busters right, it is a load of nonsense... give me my money back NOW."

JB
 
D'rok said:
Credibility.
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Those whose opinions I value know me to be credible.

Your opinion I do not care about at all....

As a matter if fact, as Freeman I do not allow myself to be governed by peer pressure and the need to fit in. That is what you are talking about eh?

So since I do not care if you personally think anything, again I must ask WHY?
 
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I'm Canadian. Why are you shouting at me about the American constitution?
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In a thread about the Freeman movement and England as well. I guess he never contracted with geography lessons either.
 
Asky, what makes you think I didn't? And for clarity sake, I did not ask them to report your abuse unless they felt in their opinion it was in fact abusive.

Poor poor Asky.... so deluded in your delusions....
 
FreemanMenard said:
Sorry if I thought you were American. Would you like to try to govern me without my consent? Either directly or indirectly by proxy? CARE TO TRY? Or are you scared reality will set in and destroy your long held beliefs? I challenge you to govern me without my consent.
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:dl:
 
Mob rule hey Rob, is that the freeman way?

What happened to your post on Ickes?
I cant find out because you got me banned.

JB

By the way keep going on here I getting lots of ammunition for your home page on my site.
 
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FreemanMenard said:
What they were after was evidence of me being in their jurisdiction and bound by their orders. What they got was an order, (now pay attention here, it is critical) barring some party who goes by the name 'Respondent Robert Arthur Menard of North Vancouver' from doing those things. That is not me. I have told them so, and they refused to disagree with me, or claim otherwise. All they were willing to claim was the secured an order not against me, but against some person with a name similar to but not identical with mine. <snip>THE ORDER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ME.
<snip>. The name above the one that looks like mine, they mention he consented. If consent was not important why mention it?
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jargonbuster, thank you so much for bringing Mr Menard to the party. Laughs on the 9/11 forum have dried up (incidentally, it's "charlatans", see the UK rock band for confirmation).

Apropos the above quote, M R James had a ghost story where the defendant tried to plead that his name and title had been mis-spelled and therefore it wasn't him and he wasn't guilty of murder and it was all a big misunderstanding and could they let him go, please? And do you know what they did? They hung him!
 
So you base this word salad on the fact that you recognize your own make-believe status as an FOTLer, but the court doesn't and insists on calling you Robert Arthur Menard? Therefore any order from the court doesn't apply to you?

Good grief. This is monumental self-delusion.
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Again you fail simple understanding tests. What they refuse to do is point at me (regardless of my Freeman clam) and say that order affects me. Since they all refuse to do so, and I will not either, no one gives it any force or effect and it does not affect me at all. Is that clearer? The courts, the Law Society and the Police have all agreed that order is not applicable to me. That is why I feel it is not applicable to me.

Allow me to reiterate: The Law Society, The Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, the RCMP and myself are all in agreement that the order ASKY keeps harping on does not address me nor affect me in any way, and no one is trying to enforce it, for that reason. Is that clear?

Any idea how many Robert Arthur Menard's there are i Canada? And they have no evidence that I am 'from North Vancouver'. NONE. Sheesh. That order is the proof that in the absence of consent, it has no force or effect. But to see that you have to actually THINK and not expect someone whom you feel is superior to you to tell you it is ok.

Such true thinkers here.... :D
 
FreemanMenard said:
It is evidence that the order has nothing to do with me, and is not applicable to me, cause it was made BY A HUMAN BEING who does not have authority over me without my consent. I can point to thousands of orders I refused to follow, cause they were not directed at me. That is the issue here. Was the order directed at me? If it was I would have paid. I did not. The court refused to order me to do so, as they did not wish to place an order upon me without my consent. See the proof? No you won't! You will say 'So What' and dismiss what a truly critical mind would see as evidence that the court can't enforce its orders without consent.
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Mojo's question is apropos.

Sorry if I thought you were American. Would you like to try to govern me without my consent? Either directly or indirectly by proxy? CARE TO TRY? Or are you scared reality will set in and destroy your long held beliefs? I challenge you to govern me without my consent. Hey if you can do it then so can the government, and if you can't neither can they, as they are only your representatives, and have no power that you do not have.

So get to it!
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I'd like to buy your legal remedies so that I can free myself of the terrible chains imposed on me by the fascist police state of nasty, evil Canada. Living under the rule of human rights law while being governed by democratically accountable representatives who are also subject to that rule of law is just too onerous. I don't want to pay taxes, submit to regulations, or recognize any authority but my own conscience. In particular, I chafe at the requirement to register my private passenger vehicle.

What evidence can you show me that your remedies will allow me to travel freely without registering my vehicle? I will send you a cheque for all your products plus I will sign up as a paid WFS member if you can show that the RCMP or local police will allow me to travel in my car without motor vehicle documents. Will they charge me with an offence if I get stopped? What is the remedy for that? Just show me that it works and my money is yours.

Sound fair?
 
jargon buster said:
Rob
Why didnt you post a call to ban my site on WFS?
Is it because your members might see it and think........ "oh no I think Jargon Busters right, it is a load of nonsense... give me my money back NOW."

JB
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Exposure to opposing points of view may lead to critical thinking skills, and we all know where those lead...
 
Now wait a second!
You are in the process of becoming a peace officer?
Didnt you take your oath on the 25th of april?

... that must be one helluva long oath. Is reciting karl kraus the last days of humanity part of it?
 
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