"Draw Mohammed Day" is May 20

[Marquis de Carabas]

Here's mine.

I know I can't draw.

 

[Skeptic]

Terrorism works, hon.

 

[Darth Rotor]

Terrorism works, hon.

So does Humor. Thanks to Tobias for finding this gem.



That said, the Marquis is freakin' Rembrandt.

DR

 

[JFrankA]

So does Humor. Thanks to Tobias for finding this gem.


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That said, the Marquis is freakin' Rembrandt.

DR

Winner.

 

[Whiplash]

Well, at the risk of standing against the whole community again, I have to sincerely ask if there is anything constructive that comes out of this.

It's clearly a provocative action. I mean, I see that people all over the web are spinning it one way or another, but it takes some extreme naivety to think that this won't also anger some more moderate, middle of the road Muslims folk.

And for what? Does this sort of thing actually convert any Muslims away from their faith? Or convince them that it's wrong or stupid? I highly doubt it.. at least not anywhere near as many as will be offended.

In fact I would suggest it will actually harden the resolve of some. Make them less tolerant of those that they disagree with. Some who may have felt that while others don't share their beliefs, they at least respect them. You can throw respect right out the window with this sort of thing. This is absolutely going to insult a ton of people.

It's just so juvenile and immature. I don't get it. I can't help but feel that we, as human beings, are less mature now than we have been at any point in history. Practically everything these days comes down to ridicule and satire and "in your face" provocative assaults of what kind or another. Like nothing more than a bunch of kids on the playground.

I feel that I can understand this better than some because I was someone who was mercilessly ridiculed and taunted all through grade school. I remember how it felt. It never made me want to respect anyone. It never made me want to change to fit in more with them. It made me angry, and resentful, and insecure, and even to the point of wanting to do things to hurt those who were hurting me.

I'm not in fear of reprisals from radicals on this. I'm more concerned that such activity will be seen as deeply disrespectful even to the most kind, moderate of Muslim people. And I don't see any positive gain in doing so..

I just think this is immature and will serve NO good at all (and may even serve to cause harm).

 

[Marquis de Carabas]

Well, at the risk of standing against the whole community again, I have to sincerely ask if there is anything constructive that comes out of this.

Chuckles. If that's not enough for you, fair enough, but I'm in favor of anything that makes me laugh.

 

[biomorph]

Well, at the risk of standing against the whole community again, I have to sincerely ask if there is anything constructive that comes out of this.

Well there's several works of art , to start with, and second , to make an omlette you break a few eggs.

And why everything(?) has to be constructive when a whole rake of this religious garbage stuff needs exactly the opposite.

Stuff the constructive, jes' waste 'em with the humour.....

It's clearly a provocative action.

no, clearly its the actions of a sane society in mounting ever more ridicule at the obviously ridiculous.

And to boot, who cares?

I mean, I see that people all over the web are spinning it one way or another, but it takes some extreme naivety to think that this won't also anger some more moderate, middle of the road Muslims folk.

Good. I hope it really gets them entirely incandescant with rage, furious at the disrespect shown to the idiotic stone age rubbish the islams think is worth considering.
Respect is earned, not demanded of.
Islam deserves none, imo.

And for what? Does this sort of thing actually convert any Muslims away from their faith?

Why should it not?
and taking the mickey is a long standing way of education through humour, the education being not to take yourself or ones own historical cultural lies so seriously and as truths when they are not. At least not for everyone.

Or convince them that it's wrong or stupid?

Yup sometimes works like a charm, and if it don't, well actually so what?
you gonna let even moderate (that is non practicing )muslims rule your actions.?

Thought not.

I highly doubt it.. at least not anywhere near as many as will be offended.

Worked for me.

In fact I would suggest it will actually harden the resolve of some. Make them less tolerant of those that they disagree with.

so what?, when they do not have to do so....who cares?

they could choose to leave islam, ah, wait , thats a death sentence...oh dear.....never mind....

you sound scared of 'em, well a few more twin towers will wake you up.

Some who may have felt that while others don't share their beliefs, they at least respect them.

Repect for what good reason?

so that we do what thier religion wants.?

no thanks.

You can throw respect right out the window with this sort of thing. This is absolutely going to insult a ton of people.

Good. I hope it actually insults them to the point where they have to leave my country at least cos we aint cool.

Cant alla the useless clod look after hisself?

It's just so juvenile and immature.

no its whats needed.

I don't get it.

that my friend is obvious..lol

I can't help but feel that we, as human beings, are less mature now than we have been at any point in history.

Maturity is not becoming when you need a good laugh at someone elses expence.

And yes, if its also not fair, well, get over yourselves already muslims.

Practically everything these days comes down to ridicule and satire and "in your face" provocative assaults of what kind or another. Like nothing more than a bunch of kids on the playground.

Grossly generalise as much as you want, I find it funny.

Slightly immature, but hey,, i like a good laugh. Even at you rather than with you..lol

I feel that I can understand this better than some because I was someone who was mercilessly ridiculed and taunted all through grade school.

Awww diddums.

Well i was beaten, at least once a day.
...................for years.
get over it.

I remember how it felt. It never made me want to respect anyone.

you were a kid.
muslims aint.
again, think. please

It never made me want to change to fit in more with them.

And that wasn't its purpose.
The purpose was to just take the weakest or oddest, or anything and give em a hard time.
strenghtens group bonding at your expence, which is fine.

It made me angry, and resentful, and insecure, and even to the point of wanting to do things to hurt those who were hurting me.

Yup, or they could, if they are muslim, leave and go back to hellmund or whatever medieval backward hell hole they or thier family came from.

I'm not in fear of reprisals from radicals on this.

and I actually don't believe you much there......

that sort of qualifier, just isn't.

I'm more concerned that such activity will be seen as deeply disrespectful even to the most kind, moderate of Muslim people. And I don't see any positive gain in doing so..

So? life's not fair, and there's bound to be collateral damage. so what?

The positive gain is the eventual removal, or deconvertion of muslims through having the p*ss taken out of them rightfully so until they stop believing this backwards, oppressive and antifreedom death cult thats ruin millions of lives, especially of women.

I just think this is immature and will serve NO good at all (and may even serve to cause harm).

and i'm having the good grace to wait and see.

However if we don't do this, are the stupid muzzas running our lives?
No, but they don't get the right to not be made fun of.

Thats built in to the real, mature, and free western value system.

You know, the one where women have rights, and all that, the better more advanced society that we have, and they don't , usually, in the country of origin, original.

Let me get one thing straight here, I DO see your point, but no I don't care or respect religion in general, and xtia(insa)nity and islam in particular.

I don't respect the stupidity in persons for having those beliefs either, and to boot, I don't actually care if they are offended.

So what?

Its either take the mickey or shoot.

the mickey is the soft option obviously.

 

[Skeptic]

When someone's opening gambit is, "take back what you said about Muhammad OR I'LL KILL YOU!!!!", they forfeited all right they had for sensitivity and respect for their cultural values, as far as I'm concerned.

As for the death threats themselves, I'm rather bored with them. As an Israeli, I am already condemned to death anyway by these folks no matter what, so I might as well draw Muhammad as a pig having sex with a llama -- what are they going to do, condemn me to death again?

It's the dhimmis who think that if they'll act nicely and be "sensitive" they will avoid the death threats by caving in and doing as they're told that are the problem.

 

[Skeptic]

Well, at the risk of standing against the whole community again, I have to sincerely ask if there is anything constructive that comes out of this.

Three words: "I am Spartacus!"

 

[Orphia Nay]

NSFW - drawing with naughty bits

 

[Horatius]

Well, at the risk of standing against the whole community again, I have to sincerely ask if there is anything constructive that comes out of this.

What comes out of this that is "constructive"? How about getting our society to stand up against nonsense like this:

I'm glad to see that cowardly Facebook, after banning me for my cartoon, has in turn been banned in Pakistan, and has pulled down the page out of fear of those poor, "hurt" muslims.

Facebook caved to threats of violence, and acted to limit their user's freedom of expression, and it was all for naught, as the "offended" party still kicked them in the teeth.

The simple fact is, terrorism and threats only work when we let them work. By standing up, en masse, and refusing to let their threats stop us from drawing Mohammed, we let them know that it isn't working on us. Hopefully they'll learn to use something other than threats and violence to advance their agenda.

Or at least learn to put up with stupid ****.

 

[Almo]

I really want to say that Whiplash is right. It seems ridiculous to prod them for no reason other than that they say we'll burn in hell if we do.

But on the other hand, it genuinely bothers me that they want to limit what *I* can say because of *their* beliefs. I know that if they were a majority in our country, they would be trying to legislate to make it illegal to make such a drawing.

Don't get me wrong; this isn't just Islam bashing. I also hate that the Christians try to make things illegal based on their beliefs (drugs, abortion...).

If they want to say it's wrong to draw Mohammed, that's fine. But I'm not a Muslim, and so it doesn't apply to me. I must admit to having been tempted to draw Mohammed myself. I would just draw a dark-haired guy in a turban and label him Mohammed (no other jokes or insinuations).

I don't think Whiplash is way off the deep end, as he makes very good points about respect. But I just can't agree all the way.

 

[MikeSun5]

I really want to say that Whiplash is right.

That's easy. Whiplash is right.

It's one thing to attack archaic ideas and practices with logic and scientific evidence. It's another to instigate and insult an entire group of people for the sake of standing up to a few.

And to boot, who cares?

Muslims.

Well i was beaten ... for years.

Well you DID say respect was earned, not demanded.....

Also.... here's a nice heap of WTF:

Good. I hope it actually insults them to the point where they have to leave my country at least cos we aint cool. ... Yup, or they could, if they are muslim, leave and go back to hellmund or whatever medieval backward hell hole they or thier family came from.

I've heard this exact sentiment from some Georgia boys in reference to black people. I've also heard the exact same thing from guys in Texas and Colorado in reference to Mexicans, and I've heard it here in Miami in reference to Cubans and Haitians. I think I see where you're coming from. Pretty much loud and clear.

The positive gain is the eventual removal, or deconvertion of muslims through having the p*ss taken out of them rightfully so until they stop believing this backwards, oppressive and antifreedom death cult thats ruin millions of lives, especially of women.

I've heard this exact sentiment from Nazis in reference to Jews. Now I definitely see where you're coming from. ...and I'm embarrased on your behalf.


...unfortunately, biomorph's bigotry is all too common in America. Americans (at least the predjudiced ones) seem to be unable to separate the crazy extremist terrorist types from normal Muslims. They also can't separate a religion from individual people. Yes, organized religion is archaic, obsolete, and breeds hate. I just don't see how insulting people just because we can is supposed to fix that.

At first I thought "Draw Mohammed Day" was funny. Then I heard from a Muslim friend of mine (who's not very devout, btw) that drawing Mohammed can be offensive to non-terrorists, too. Not offensive like "Let's go kill infidels," but it is disrespectful.

Like Whiplash, I really don't see how intentionally being disrespectful is beneficial. I get free speech, but "Draw Muhammad Day" wasn't about that. It was a response to South Park getting censored because of threats from crazies. Someone wanted to piss off whoever scared Comedy Central into bleeping their cartoon. And who scared them? Muslims! So how do we piss off Muslims? Insult their religion! Why? Because it's a free country!

World unity, here we come! Right?

 

[bigred]

Well, at the risk of standing against the whole community again, I have to sincerely ask if there is anything constructive that comes out of this.

Possibly. Regardless, I give you props for not being afraid to speak your mind, even though you know it likely won't exactly be popular here. Pleasant change of pace from sheeple (I don't mean here per se, talking very generally).

And for what? Does this sort of thing actually convert any Muslims away from their faith?

Of course not.

Or convince them that it's wrong or stupid? I highly doubt it.. at least not anywhere near as many as will be offended.

Might be. But the point wasn't to "convert" anyone in any way. It was to make a point about the right of freedom of speech/expression and basically flip the bird to people - any people - who would counter such expressions - even immature, idiotic ones like this - with threats and violence.

Some who may have felt that while others don't share their beliefs, they at least respect them.

And don't forget: Muslims are so well known for tolerance of people who don't share their beliefs. Riiiiiiight.

It's just so juvenile and immature.

For some it no doubt is because they're doing it just to take a shot at people regardless of cause. But again, for some it's about standing up for said rights and to bullies (never mind psychotic loons), which is not "immature," even when done in this way.

I don't get it. I can't help but feel that we, as human beings, are less mature now than we have been at any point in history. Practically everything these days comes down to ridicule and satire and "in your face" provocative assaults of what kind or another. Like nothing more than a bunch of kids on the playground.

Actually, generally speaking, that I agree with 110%. At least.

 

[bigred]

...unfortunately, biomorph's bigotry is all too common in America. Americans (at least the predjudiced ones) seem to be unable to separate the crazy extremist terrorist types from normal Muslims. They also can't separate a religion from individual people.

Ironically, this is extremely common here at JREF, although it's usually regarding Christians, who are typically all viewed/sneered at for being militant fundies.

Yes, organized religion is archaic, obsolete, and breeds hate.

It would be far more accurate to say it CAN. And those qualities are hardly limited to "religious people." If you're implying any of that is inherent to or always true of religlion, I would say that's pretty ridiculous. Mankind has used every excuse and BS rationale to hate/oppress/etc throughout time; religion is but one of them.

I just don't see how insulting people just because we can is supposed to fix that.

I often wonder this when I see the "religious people are stupid/hateful/(etc etc)" type posts here. People do it all the time and justify it by pointing out the Tammy Faye's of the world - as if that represents more than the tiniest fraction of "religious people" (or even if it did, how sinking to small-minded venom justifies it anyway).

At first I thought "Draw Mohammed Day" was funny. Then I heard from a Muslim friend of mine (who's not very devout, btw) that drawing Mohammed can be offensive to non-terrorists, too. Not offensive like "Let's go kill infidels," but it is disrespectful.

Understood. But I would hope they would understand the bigger picture.

Like Whiplash, I really don't see how intentionally being disrespectful is beneficial. I get free speech, but "Draw Muhammad Day" wasn't about that.

For some of us it was. I could give a rat's ass about South Park, frankly.

 

[MikeSun5]

But I would hope they would understand the bigger picture.

The Muslims who are not threatening people with violence obviously do...

If you're implying any of that is inherent to or always true of religlion, I would say that's pretty ridiculous. Mankind has used every excuse and BS rationale to hate/oppress/etc throughout time; religion is but one of them.

I guess so, but you don't meet very many atheists who hate/oppress homosexuals and women because a book tells them to. Just saying...

For some of us it was [about free speech].

Hence your avatar of Muhammad pointing at Allah?

Yea, most people ended up hearing about May 20th after the situation had evolved. The original intent was not an exercise in free speech at all. It was an initiative to anger terrorists. I can't recall the exact verbage, but it involved widening the field of targets who have prices on their heads for depicting Mohammad. The free speech bit came later.

 

[pchams]

I'm OUTRAGED!! at your disrespectfulness of MY prophet. OUTRAGED!!
I will take over Uppsalla and I will win
inshallah

 

[Profanz]

I remember one time back in the day my friend joined a black metal band. We were about 17. He was bragging to me about how his bands demo tape was going to have a picture of Jesus hanging upside down on the cross or some crap like that. He said he showed it to his mother and she cried. He thought he was a bad ass I guessed at the time. I didn't buy it. So I looked at him and the artwork and said I got a better idea. Why don't you draw a picture of Jesus getting prison sex from the Devil and put that on the cover of your demo? Put a big smile on Satan. Have Mary in the background crying and Judas counting his money. I told him if the drawing was good enough I'll get it tattooed on my butt. That's the most appropriate place for just such an inking right? I mean let's get as offensive as we can. It's a contest right?

He got all offended and told me I was going to hell. Go figure.

If your religion and all you hold so dear can really all hinge on just a cartoon? Or if that's what you need to bring attention to it? Get a life.

 

[jimgerrish]

Three famous people; one of them is Mohammad. Guess which one?

Profanity and obscenity rules apply to images too.

Replying to this modbox in thread will be off topic  Posted By: Lisa Simpson

I guess you didn't really look at my picture. A cock is a rooster. In this case, a rubber one. Sucking on a rubber chicken should not be considered profanity. Neither should kissing a jack-ass. Nor should holding up a tea bag. However, I guess that's just one more person offended by a cartoon. Now I'm the one who is offended. A cartoonist's curse on you! May you have pie in the face for eternity!

 

[bigred]

I guess so, but you don't meet very many atheists who hate/oppress homosexuals and women because a book tells them to. Just saying...

I don't meet many Christians or "organized religious" people who do either.

Hence your avatar of Muhammad pointing at Allah?

lol - I was about to go "????" but checked - I'd forgotten all about that ugly, blasphemous I-lost-a-bet thing. Thx.