Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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amb said:
But we do have coins with the image of Caesar on them.
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And we also have statues of Zeus and Apollo, does that mean they existed. Having a image on a coin is no more proof that Caesar existed than having an image of a eagle holding 13 arrows in its claw is proof that there has ever been a eagle that has held 13 arrows.


We have nothing at all of Jesus besides the N/T.
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You, haven't read all my posts

No positive proof that he was a real historical man,
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Positively prove Julius Caesar existed - we don't even have his signature. His image is on some coins is that your positive proof??

Positively prove to us you were born in the city you think you were born in, President Obama can't even do that.

and not a heavenly being made manifest in the imagination of Paul.
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People were dying for Christ before Paul was even converted from being a persecutor of Christians.
 
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People today are dying for Allah and his pedophile prophet. Does that mean allah is real?
 
Belz... said:
Any punishment that is eternal is, by definition, disproportionate to the crime.
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But the loving God only hands that out to the worst in society. Those whose actions are so heinous that eternal damnation is not disproportionate, if anything it is too good for them.

Consider the crimes that still allow you entry into Heaven and an afterlife of eternal bliss,

  • Beating servants,
  • Domestic violence,
  • Rape,
  • Murder,
  • Mass murder,
  • Paedophilia,
  • Child mutilation

Those pale into insignificance when you compare them to the list of crimes earning eternal damnation.

  • The lack of belief in Jesus.
Err that’s it…..
 
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But actually the number of posts I have made (over 1900) is something to think about. Could a Scientologist legitimately defend their religion against 250 skeptics in a 326 page thread with 13,000 posts in it. How about a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or Jew. I know of no one in these religions that has defended their religion against hundreds of skeptics with cold facts for 20 pages much less 326. Whether you agree with me or not, one has to seriously consider the fact that I have so much information to support my claims. Where are the followers of other religions supporting their beliefs with cold historical data against hundreds of skeptics?
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This is laughable. So are you joining the ranks of Christian martyrs? Boiled in oil, crucified upside-down, flayed, drawn and quartered, burned alive...and courageously fought off possibly ten invisible strangers in a duel-to-the-screens-burned-out online argument. How many stars in your crown now?

Or let's compare with your list: blowing yourself up in sacrifice to your religion, setting fire to yourself in sacrifice to your religion, killed in the millions of men, women and children because of your religion...or courageously fighting off possibly ten invisible strangers in a duel-to-the-screens-burned-out online argument.

And, yes, I am quite sure that a Buddhist, Muslim or Jewish devotee could match and outdo your record should he or she wish to.
 
Belz... said:
Irrelevant, and you know it. God knew IN ADVANCE he'd have to do the flood thing. That makes him impotent.
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It does not make him impotent, it just means he wanted it to happen. But the problem is in the definition of God because you can't have an omniscient creator and free will simultaneously.
 
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Well using the crucifixion as evidence would you expect God to be an S&M fan. Maybe the reason he created man in his own image was that through the torture of man he could simultaneously gratify both his sadistic and masochistic impulses.
 
DOC said:
But actually the number of posts I have made (over 1900) is something to think about. Could a Scientologist legitimately defend their religion against 250 skeptics in a 326 page thread with 13,000 posts in it. How about a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or Jew. I know of no one in these religions that has defended their religion against hundreds of skeptics with cold facts for 20 pages much less 326. Whether you agree with me or not, one has to seriously consider the fact that I have so much information to support my claims. Where are the followers of other religions supporting their beliefs with cold historical data against hundreds of skeptics?
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DOC, using your definition of cold facts and information, I think that quite a number of people in this thread could defend islam, buddhism or judaism for 326 pages or more, and do it well, even though they are not believers.
 
DOC said:
But actually the number of posts I have made (over 1900) is something to think about. Could a Scientologist legitimately defend their religion against 250 skeptics in a 326 page thread with 13,000 posts in it. How about a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or Jew. I know of no one in these religions that has defended their religion against hundreds of skeptics with cold facts for 20 pages much less 326. Whether you agree with me or not, one has to seriously consider the fact that I have so much information to support my claims. Where are the followers of other religions supporting their beliefs with cold historical data against hundreds of skeptics?
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DOC, you haven't "legitimately defended" a single thing.
All you've done is tossed out fallacy after fallacy, while proving that you have absolutely no concept of why they are fallacies.

In short, the only thing your posts provide evidence of is your woefull lack of critical thinking skills.

By the logic in your post above:

- Jammonius has provided evidence that no airplane hit the twin towers on 9/11. After all, he thinks he's been succesfully defending his position for dozens of pages.

- Michael Mozina has provided evidence that the sun has a solid surface (mostly made of iron). After all, him and his acolyte think they've been succesfully defending that position for dozens of pages.

I could go on, but why bother?

You're not going to understant my point. Not until you learn about logic.

And, frankly, given the "grasp" (if such a term can be applied) of logic you've shown thus far, I don't for one instant believe you've taken a course on the subject. I think that is just another lie.
 
DOC said:
I noticed you didn't list any of the posts I responded to when talking about post numbers so they would appear in context.

But actually the number of posts I have made (over 1900) is something to think about. Could a Scientologist legitimately defend their religion against 250 skeptics in a 326 page thread with 13,000 posts in it. How about a Muslim, or a Buddhist, or Jew. I know of no one in these religions that has defended their religion against hundreds of skeptics with cold facts for 20 pages much less 326. Whether you agree with me or not, one has to seriously consider the fact that I have so much information to support my claims. Where are the followers of other religions supporting their beliefs with cold historical data against hundreds of skeptics?
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With 1900 posts, you should be able to show just one that has evidence that the NT writers told the truth. Which one is it?
 
Elizabeth I said:
This is laughable. So are you joining the ranks of Christian martyrs? Boiled in oil, crucified upside-down, flayed, drawn and quartered, burned alive...and courageously fought off possibly ten invisible strangers in a duel-to-the-screens-burned-out online argument. How many stars in your crown now?

Or let's compare with your list: blowing yourself up in sacrifice to your religion, setting fire to yourself in sacrifice to your religion, killed in the millions of men, women and children because of your religion...or courageously fighting off possibly ten invisible strangers in a duel-to-the-screens-burned-out online argument.

And, yes, I am quite sure that a Buddhist, Muslim or Jewish devotee could match and outdo your record should he or she wish to.
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Yeah, at least a Buddhist wouldn't try to convince us that 10 lashes would be "like a sunburn".
 
kmortis said:
If it is one, I don't think SPF30 would have prevented it. Maybe SPF45, but I'm thinking higher still.
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I'm thinking a god would have protected him, if such a thing existed. This is evidence that the NT writers weren't telling the truth about any of the magical parts of the bible.
 
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