Split Thread Prahlad Jani - Breatharian

[Akhenaten]

I assume all your posts Akhenaten in this thread were all a big joke. Not meant to be taken seriously. Well you had me fooled. Very funny. But you will not get me like this again. I will assume that all your posts from now on in all threads are nothing but jokes.

Assume what you will, rjh01. My posts are what they are and if you choose to treat them as jokes there's little I can do. It certainly goes a long way to explaining your nonsensical responses.

The rest of your post is an off-topic personal attack so I'll simply report it as such and ignore it.

That is simple to get James Randi to post here. Just send James Randi an e-mail from the contacts page. I did send him one 15 hours ago. You saw the result. Mind you it might not work for D. J. Groethe.

This explains Mr Randi's rather abrupt answer. I echo Foolmewunz' response to this childish wasting of Mr Randi's time and will not further respond to whatever silly game you appear to be playing in this thread.

 

[Cuddles]

OK, now you really are just trolling. Why?

I never said that JREF should test the person.

And I never claimed you did. What I did point out, however, is that while in this thread you flat out stated that the JREF would never test such claims and appear to be rather vehement in defending your statement, in that thread you not only make no such claim, but actually suggest ways such a test could be done. It appears your attitude towards testing breatharians has rather changed since then.

The idea that such a thing would happen is just too stupid to consider. There was no discussion of JREF doing any testing even in the thread.

Why would you post such an obvious lie? For goodness sake man, you just quoted one of your own posts from that thread in which you discuss ways the JREF could test such a claim. Certainly something here is too stupid, but I don't think it's the idea of testing breatharians.

The quote in Cuddles post is from Randi not me. That quote is not my style.

Of course it was a quote from Randi. That was the whole point. He clearly stated that he would, in fact, be perfectly happy to test a breatharian. You were, and for some reason continue to be, wrong.

The thread does not support your arguments.

My argument is that Randi and the JREF would test, and have previously tested, breatharians. Both the articles I have linked very clearly support those points. I have no idea what point you think you are trying to make here, since you have been proven wrong in every possible way.

You saw the result.

Indeed we did. Randi just stated outright that he would be perfectly happy to test this breatharian, in direct contradiction of your own claims. Which makes your continued bad attitude seem even stranger. It would make far more sense to simply admit your error and move on, instead of going to these Clausian lengths to defend an indefensible claim.

 

[rjh01]

<snip>

The man if he wants to apply for the MDC will need to specify this

1. This is the primary and most important of these rules: Applicant must state clearly in advance, and applicant and JREF will agree upon, what powers and/or abilities will be demonstrated, the limits of the proposed demonstration (so far as time, location and other variables are concerned) and what will constitute both a positive and a negative result.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html

The man does not have to apply for the MDC. No matter how many times you say that he does, it will not become true.

<snip>

I want to reply to Cuddles post, but I will do that later. Except to say I am not trolling. I am a person who has been fed a load of **** in this thread.

The above is one such post. The point I object to I have highlighted. As Randi said

<snip> IF THIS MAN WANTS A MILLION DOLLARS, HE CAN APPLY. IF HE’S NOT SMART ENOUGH TO WANT THE MILLION, GOODBYE! I’m sure we could arrange a protocol in which he would be monitored to remove all possibilities of harm of any sort, don’t you think…? <snip>

Capitals are Randi's not mine.

I cannot reconcile Akhenaten's statement in bold with what Randi has said. Unless of course Akhenaten meant that the man could go back to his cave (or wherever) and ignore us. But then the statement is just worthless.

Please if anyone posts after this post tell me how Akhenaten's statement in bold is consistent with Randi's post or otherwise.

I could have used many other statements in this thread.

Now I am going to bed. So you got a few hours at least before I can post again.

 

[Cuddles]

I am a person who has been fed a load of **** in this thread.

Let's see why, shall we?

So JREF will not accept this Indian breatharian's claims.

Randi reports that his investigations of breatharians

Hey, I'll do that test

Years ago, we tested a few of them... I’m sure we could arrange a protocol in which he would be monitored to remove all possibilities of harm of any sort... The JREF challenge is open to ANYONE, regardless of body weight, nationality, age, religion, skin color, gender, number of ears, attitude, sense of humor, political inclinations, or degree of woo-woo acceptance.

Despite plenty of incontrovertible evidence that Randi has tested breatharians, and is willing to test them again, you insist on claiming that the JREF will not test breatharians. You can certainly claim to have been "fed a lot of ****", but it mainly appears to be coming out of your mouth, not going in.

 

[Belz...]

I only get in here to settle the brouhahas that are periodically invented. Sigh. First, on the matter of the current Breatharian, we didn’t receive an application – the FIRST requirement! -- so we didn’t receive a claim, and we’ve no idea what he SPECIFICALLY says he’s able to do. This man is only one of HUNDREDS of others all over the world who make this ridiculous claim. Are we expected to court him, to select him out of all those other liars, as if he were special in some way? Years ago, we tested a few of them. They were caught cheating. End of matter. Why do I have to spend my time arguing these things…? IF THIS MAN WANTS A MILLION DOLLARS, HE CAN APPLY. IF HE’S NOT SMART ENOUGH TO WANT THE MILLION, GOODBYE! I’m sure we could arrange a protocol in which he would be monitored to remove all possibilities of harm of any sort, don’t you think…? The JREF challenge is open to ANYONE, regardless of body weight, nationality, age, religion, skin color, gender, number of ears, attitude, sense of humor, political inclinations, or degree of woo-woo acceptance. Got that? Now I’m busy setting up my European tour. Call me when this guy applies.

Woah! Randi.

And it's only been 3 years since your last post !!

 

[chillzero]

I only get in here to settle the brouhahas that are periodically invented. Sigh.

I did send him one 15 hours ago. You saw the result.

lol.

 

[Akhenaten]

Despite plenty of incontrovertible evidence that Randi has tested breatharians, and is willing to test them again, you insist on claiming that the JREF will not test breatharians. You can certainly claim to have been "fed a lot of ****", but it mainly appears to be coming out of your mouth, not going in.

I've seen lots of ungracious responses from the losing side in many, many discussions here, but rjh01's little tirade is just about worth printing out and framing as a classic example of the genre.

Woah! Randi.

And it's only been 3 years since your last post !!

What a damned shame that his time was wasted on such a non-cause. There was no need for him to have explained any of that to us, with a single notable exception.

lol.

Eventually it will occur to our erstwhile Annoyer of the Amazing™ that inventing brouhahas is not something that one would want known, let alone something to come here and attempt to boast about.

 

[Audible Click]

One can only hope that rjh will, now, realize that he hasn't been fed **** by any of the posters and that he just didn't know that we were trying to help him understand what Mr. Randi was saying in the video. Granted that hope, at least on my part, has dwindled to about nothing but I'll wait and see if rjh sees the light at the end of the tunnel or if it's just another train.

 

[Roadtoad]

Methinks the whole question of breatharians has now been settled.

They don't survive on air. They eat a load of ****, and survive on that.

Edited by LibraryLady: 

Edited to comply with autocensor.

 

[rjh01]

Methinks the whole question of breatharians has now been settled.

They don't survive on air. They eat a load of ****, and survive on that.

I am starting to respond to this thread. First off I will agree on this. But then that is hardly in dispute.

Quote changed to avoid a possible rule 10 breach.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Behold The Peacemaker - Derailman is Here

As I said when that vid was first posted. (I paraphrase).....


Damn! Good to see Randi in such fine fettle. I hadn't looked at one of his videos since the bout with cancer. A little thin, but definitely has his curmudgen thing going and looks like he can terrorize the woo woo community for another decade!

Great sight for these sore eyes.

 

[Akhenaten]

As I said when that vid was first posted. (I paraphrase).....


Damn! Good to see Randi in such fine fettle. I hadn't looked at one of his videos since the bout with cancer. A little thin, but definitely has his curmudgen thing going and looks like he can terrorize the woo woo community for another decade!

Great sight for these sore eyes.

Couldn't agree more. I'd been quite concerned about him recently, but he seems to be in much, much better shape than Swami Whatsisname.

Obviously subscribes to a more powerful Goddess or something.

 

[Stray Cat]

That's food for thought.

 

[rjh01]

I am a person who has been fed a load of **** in this thread.

Let's see why, shall we?

So JREF will not accept this Indian breatharian's claims.

<snip>

Due to the software the above quote left off part of what I was saying. This bit.

IMPORTANT: Only claims that can be verified by evidence under proper observing conditions will be accepted. Also, JREF will NOT accept claims of the existence of deities or demons/angels, the validity of exorcism, religious claims, cloudbusting, causing the Sun to rise or the stars to move, etc. JREF will also NOT test claims that are likely to cause injury of any sort, such as those involving the withholding of air, food or water, or the use of illicit materials, drugs, or dangerous devices

This bit was removed by Cuddles from the above quote

However from http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html

So the rules state that “JREF will also NOT test claims that are likely to cause injury of any sort, such as those involving the withholding of air, food or water” So what I is saying is that any test that says “lock me without food or water for however long” does not conform to these rules. Now I will make a concession. There may be ways and means around this. In which case what I said does not apply.

Randi reports that his investigations of breatharians

Hey, I'll do that test

Years ago, we tested a few of them... I’m sure we could arrange a protocol in which he would be monitored to remove all possibilities of harm of any sort... The JREF challenge is open to ANYONE, regardless of body weight, nationality, age, religion, skin color, gender, number of ears, attitude, sense of humor, political inclinations, or degree of woo-woo acceptance.

Despite plenty of incontrovertible evidence that Randi has tested breatharians, and is willing to test them again, you insist on claiming that the JREF will not test breatharians. You can certainly claim to have been "fed a lot of ****", but it mainly appears to be coming out of your mouth, not going in.

Yes, Randi did test them, years ago. I have never said otherwise. As for testing them again, good luck in finding a method of doing so without risk. I did suggest one way elsewhere recently but other members rejected that.

OK, now you really are just trolling. Why?

I never said that JREF should test the person.

And I never claimed you did. What I did point out, however, is that while in this thread you flat out stated that the JREF would never test such claims and appear to be rather vehement in defending your statement, in that thread you not only make no such claim, but actually suggest ways such a test could be done. It appears your attitude towards testing breatharians has rather changed since then.

The idea that such a thing would happen is just too stupid to consider. There was no discussion of JREF doing any testing even in the thread.

Why would you post such an obvious lie? For goodness sake man, you just quoted one of your own posts from that thread in which you discuss ways the JREF could test such a claim. Certainly something here is too stupid, but I don't think it's the idea of testing breatharians.

The quote in Cuddles post is from Randi not me. That quote is not my style.

Of course it was a quote from Randi. That was the whole point. He clearly stated that he would, in fact, be perfectly happy to test a breatharian. You were, and for some reason continue to be, wrong.

The thread does not support your arguments.

My argument is that Randi and the JREF would test, and have previously tested, breatharians. Both the articles I have linked very clearly support those points. I have no idea what point you think you are trying to make here, since you have been proven wrong in every possible way.

You saw the result.

Indeed we did. Randi just stated outright that he would be perfectly happy to test this breatharian, in direct contradiction of your own claims. Which makes your continued bad attitude seem even stranger. It would make far more sense to simply admit your error and move on, instead of going to these Clausian lengths to defend an indefensible claim.

One comment about that other thread you mentioned in the above quote. It was discussing a test made by another organization, not JREF, of a breatharian. They stopped it when it became dangerous. Other organizations have other rules, so they may test these people. I have no problem with that. My post I quoted from that thread was how THEY can expose her. Nothing more. Not how JREF can test a breatharian. I do not know why you raised the issue at all.


As for that quote from Randi I am not sure what it means. Does it mean that he is willing to kill her? I should hope that is not right. Because that is the literal meaning of what he said. If he is not willing to kill her then he is not willing to use that test.

But all of this is just minor issues. The big issue for me which no one has even attempted to address I made in post 43. Please everyone if you want to make a post here please address that post first. Please take it seriously. It is the only issue of any importance for me in this thread. Everything else follows.


If you want another example of the **** I was fed then here it is

This is what the discussion was about, and it's clearly been shown that Randi has personally issued the challenge(invitation, dare, whatever) and must obviously be exercising his right to waive this particular sub-part.

Answered. Thread closed.

Other than....???!!! What are you on about? You have Randi's words available... right there... in front of you. View the YouTube or read the words that someone was kind enough to transpose. Why would I want to go to some other source. I have no trouble understand the source that's immediately and readily available.

The world isn't made up of contract language and sub-clauses. The man clearly challenged him. To anyone who speaks English, with any sort of accent, it is a direct challenge. Why are you trying to make it into some sort of legalistic trick. It isn't. Randi doesn't play tricks. Oh, wait..... Randi doesn't mince his words and hide behind "gotcha" clauses. He shoots from the hip and the lip.

And, by inference, he's waiving their usual concern about someone risking his or her life.

Query Randi, not us. Maybe he speaks RJH01ese, because I sure don't.

In other words Foolmewunz is saying no application is required, JREF is prepared to put the applicant at risk. However Randi in the post he made here has said otherwise.


And people are lining up to say I have lost the debate. That I cannot understand. Answer my query in post 43 and I will be happy. This is not a new issue. It is what I have been saying all along. Yet others have been saying different.

 

[monoman]

I have to say I'm totally confused by the brouhaha in this thread.

I, like rjh01, was under the impression that Randi would not test breatharians again - must be something I read in commentary ages ago.

That's not to say I don't want him tested, I was just surprised by Randi's video.

I don't know rjh01, and must assume he has a history of being a bit of a prat (no offence ) by the responses he's been getting!

 

[rjh01]

I have to say I'm totally confused by the brouhaha in this thread.

I, like rjh01, was under the impression that Randi would not test breatharians again - must be something I read in commentary ages ago.

That's not to say I don't want him tested, I was just surprised by Randi's video.

I don't know rjh01, and must assume he has a history of being a bit of a prat (no offence ) by the responses he's been getting!

Thank you. It means a lot to me.


As for me "being a bit of a prat" I think most of us are guilty of that at some stage. [edit]I am speaking about myself here.[/edit] No offence taken.

 

[Akhenaten]

I have to say I'm totally confused by the brouhaha in this thread.

<snippy>

Welcome to a group that's enjoying quite an expansion at the moment. Swami Whatsisname is such an obvious fake that I find it a bit hard to understand him generating any interest at all, let alone this apparent obsession with his eligibility for the MDC. Maybe it's a slow news week in some parts.

 

[Nova Land]

I have to say I'm totally confused by the brouhaha in this thread.

I, like rjh01, was under the impression that Randi would not test breatharians again - must be something I read in commentary ages ago...

Put me in that category as well. Until skimming this thread, I too was under the impression that JREF would not test breatharians. I recall (or think I recall) reading a number of statements over the past few years saying that JREF would not test breatharians because there didn't seem to be a good way of testing the claim which would not put the applicant's life or health in jeopardy.

I'd thought those were official (or at least semi-official) statements from people connected to JREF, but likely they were simply statements from other posters who, like me, had an incorrect understanding.

 

[rjh01]

Thanks Nova Land for your post. Maybe the information you refer to came from this

IMPORTANT: Only claims that can be verified by evidence under proper observing conditions will be accepted. Also, JREF will NOT accept claims of the existence of deities or demons/angels, the validity of exorcism, religious claims, cloudbusting, causing the Sun to rise or the stars to move, etc. JREF will also NOT test claims that are likely to cause injury of any sort, such as those involving the withholding of air, food or water, or the use of illicit materials, drugs, or dangerous devices.

http://www.randi.org/site/index.php/1m-challenge/challenge-application.html

It is black and white. In this thread they were trying to convince me that Randi had "challanged" Prahlad Jani and as a result Prahlad Jani neither had to complete an application nor as a result meet this requirement. Both statements are obvious junk (hence me saying I have been fed ****) and it took a post by Randi to say otherwise. Steam is still coming out of my ears about this.

 

[chillzero]

I have to say I'm totally confused by the brouhaha in this thread.

I, like rjh01, was under the impression that Randi would not test breatharians again - must be something I read in commentary ages ago.

That's not to say I don't want him tested, I was just surprised by Randi's video.

I don't know rjh01, and must assume he has a history of being a bit of a prat (no offence ) by the responses he's been getting!

Most of us here also understand that the rules state no one will be tested when there is a possibility of harm.

However, we also understand two other things: that Randi has tested breatharians in the past, and that Randi has the ability to extend the challenge to anyone he wants to. We see the video, and his post here as evidence of both - that he will indeed test a breatharian again, given the opportunity.

Past or present, it is a big indicator that someone is being a bit of a prat when they take it on themself to make the claim that Randi is wrong about what he can and cannot do with his own challenge (as I have pointed out a few times, it is not the JREF's challenge - they merely administer it for Randi). Those of us with sufficient understanding of, and respect for, Randi's position find it hilarious that anyone would try to contradict him. Trying to have him come to their defense, then practically bragging about the resulting fail when Randi demonstrates his complete disinterest in the matter (of this thread) only adds icing to the top.