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Why does God hate sex?

The biblical exhortation by God for his creations to "be fruitful and multiply" hardly represents a "hatred of sex". JWideman, upthread, correctly notes that our perception that "God hates sex" is not supported by any biblical passage.

As other posters have noted, the religious proscription against licentious sexual behavior is advanced by various faiths and denominations for the simple reason that control of this basic impulse keeps the masses under subjection to the religious over-class, namely the priesthood.

If they can shape even this most primal urge, they've got you in their hands, and can bend your will to their own, squeezing you for money to keep their organization afloat, and keeping you sheepish and complacent so that their continued domination is assured.
 
We've grown up with reliable birth control. Our ancestors did not.

It is extremely important to society to regulate the production of children, and until recently, there was no technological means to do that.

There was no need either...

They invented the anti-sexual attitudes associated with so many religions as a way to prevent adolescents from becoming parents, especially with the "wrong" sort of people. If you tell teenagers that sex outside of marriage will send them to Hell, there is at least some chance that the Lord of the Manor's daughter won't get knocked up by the cute stable boy.

Call me ignorant, but I believed back in the old days it was quite customary to birth in teenage years. I'd even go as far as to say it was the norm.

As for the inter-class reproduction, there were far more efficient "laws" to deal with it: withdrawal of monetary support, disinheritance, etc.
 
It's my understanding that that's not entirely true among the Hasidim. I read an article somewhere about some young (married) couples that have discovered oral sex and are having a real conflict between what they have been taught and what feels good.
All non-Hasidic Jews I know think Hasids are nuts.

Seriously, I think the relatively relaxed attitude toward sex-for-pleasure espoused by most modern Jews and Protestants is a recent phenomenon, and is a matter of practicality. Young people in modern society receive and endless amount of "sex if good!" message, and trying to block it is no longer possible. So religions are doing next best thing -- they co-opt it.
 
I read an article somewhere about some young (married) couples that have discovered oral sex and are having a real conflict between what they have been taught and what feels good.
Then someone needs to teach them better technique. ;)

Shuffles out of the way as the stampede of volunteer oral sex instructors begins
 
Maybe it's like his kryptonite. Remember when he tried to kill moses, but was stopped in his tracks by a foreskin forcefield? (I wish I was making that up - Exodus 4:24-26!)


Superfunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:D
 
Not seeing that.

Otherwise, your post provoked some thought. Thanks.

DR

Didn't you ever think it odd that the speaker and the beloved keep changing gender? Or that sometimes the female would have male body parts?
A book in 1995 (out of print now) made a really good argument that "The Song of Songs" had been sanitized, that its author was not an unknown woman, but one of Solomon's sons, and that even most Hebrew scholars agree that in 85% of the poem both the speaker and the addressee are male.
Even if it's NOT a gay love poem, it sure as hell is proof - if this is the inspired word of god - he thinks sex is the best thing he ever came up with.
 
Santa Claus was never very sexy, nor was the Easter Bunny; Superman; Little Lotta; mighty mouse; Noah; Thanksgiving Dinner; Church;

It could be god, but it sure seems like people are willing and able to impose their own up-tight morality. We mostly aren't allowed to be naked, or even barefoot. We can't defecate or urinate without privacy. We're shy to speak the names of certain, special body parts.

We can't blame god for all of this.

Its cool that god has hang-ups and phobias and such. So he's all messed up about sex.
Lots of people are.

At least he doesn't pic his scabs.
 
Makes you wonder what we did for the preceding 198,000 years, without any sexual guidance, laws of heredity, and irresponsible guys not manning up, doesn't it? And STDs and jealousy, of course. Society has only our best interests at heart, isn't that so?

Biblical chronology places mankind's creation at approx 6000 years ago.

Yes, I agree that society is, on the main, a good thing. I also think that laws which may seem right and proper at the time tend to ossify with age, particularly when the law-maintainers loose sight of the reasons and just follow the forms, especially when the maintainers find they can advance themselves over the rabble by a little judicious over-stepping and rigidity.

That can happen and has happened. Yet laws or principles can't be judged on that basis alone. In fact, how humans misuse a good law for their own profit is totally irrelevant to that law's appropriateness or value top interpersonal and societal well-being.




But I am glad we're recognizing societal needs here and not appealing to the "needs" of a god or religion. Society is bad enough about useless traditions; religion makes it much worse.

The twain need not be mutually exclusive. As for uselessness, that's not the official sociological view of religion as an institution.
 
I don't know if I vote Foreskin Forcefield to a band name, but it def should be a Beastie Boys jam.
 
Why? There are practical social reasons. Sex outside wedlock produces children unprotected by the llaws of heredity. It encourages irresponsibility of those who only want a good time but are unwilling to answer for the consequences by mannng up. It increases the likelihood of STD incidences. It tends to disrupt family unity via the creation of jealosies.


So you have no problem with safe gay sex.
 
Biblical chronology places mankind's creation at approx 6000 years ago.

Paul Bethke chronology places mankind's creation at exactly 5770 years ago. So what?

The twain need not be mutually exclusive. As for uselessness, that's not the official sociological view of religion as an institution.

Of course it's not. It's all about profit and power. It's not useful to anything except itself. On the contrary, it's quite harmful. Your take?
 
To be fair, most of that isn't really in the bible. There's a total of TWO scriptures that MAY condemn masturbation. We can't really be sure, because nobody has ever figured out what exactly the word "pornea" means. Some might say the part about Onan has it covered, but such misses the point entirely. More on that in a bit.
Onanism is the sin of pulling out so you don't impregnate your dead brother's wife, thus completely messing up the family inheritance. It has nothing to do with masturbation. However, the fact that it's not biblical has nothing to do with boys being told that self-appreciation is sinful, blindness-causing, and a source of guilt.

"Showing skin" is also not quite condemned. Many scriptures actually seem to encourage it, ESPECIALLY male (full frontal even) nudity. The closest we can get to actual condemnation is the story of Adam and Eve. However, that is VERY open to interpretation. Being naked or seeing someone naked is, at best, only a sin in certain specific circumstances. Maybe.
Islam disagrees. Women are supposed to cover themselves and not "dress immodestly" or they'll cause earthquakes or something. At the very least, showing too much skin will cause virile young men's blood to rise, causing them to lose control and do things that can't possibly be their fault because it was the immodestly dressed woman that made him rape her.

Birth control? There is exactly one reference to birth control and it wasn't the act of birth control itself that was condemned. Onan's sin wasn't birth control and it sure as hell wasn't masturbation - it had nothing to do with sex at all. Rather, it was about deceit. Onan was going to lose a lot if his brother's wife gave birth, as he stood to inherit from his father. By pulling out, she wouldn't get pregnant but still claim that Onan had done his part and would therefore be blameless.
The Catholic church still despises all forms of birth control.

As for homosexuality, that gets us back to the difficulty of translating a dead language from a dead culture. Every passage used in modern times to condemn homosexuality means something different depending on context and nobody today really knows what the context at the time was. There's pretty much exactly one passage that is relatively clear* and it's surrounded by passages talking about how much God hates cotton-polyester blends, shellfish, etc. In other words, it no longer counts.
Romans 1:26-28, Romans 1:31-32, 1 Corinthians 6:9-10, 1 Timothy 1:10.

And then there are the clearly homosexual couples like David and Jonathon, Ruth and Naomi. Jesus' best friend was a prostitute and yet he never displayed any sexual interest in women. The Song of Solomon appears to be a gay love poem.
You're stretching here. "he shall lie all night betwixt my breasts" sounds pretty hetero to me. And the David-Jonathon relationship is hotly debated. Sure, it appears homosexual, but the fact that scholars so vehemently deny it is a demonstration of the church's anti-gay attitude. Again, just because it's not in the Bible (and it is) doesn't mean it doesn't exist in the modern church.

The only two things god really hates in regard to sex is incest and adultery. And it seems incest is okay sometimes.
What?? Incest is okay all the time! (according to the Bible, that is)

Have you considered, arth, that God just might not like having sex with you?
Rubbish. Everyone likes having sex with me. I'm just that good.
 
Superfunny!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D:D

Wasn't my obversation - stole it from Irreligiosophy (I think). The bigger question is why God would turn up in person to kill the guy he had just assigned to a very important assignment. Did he forget to mention it when he first spoke to Moses, "hey, on the way to free the slaves, do a tip count and chop off the extras, ok?", I mean it's not like God's all-knowing or anything. Instead he gets really angry days later, goes to kick butt but when the bloody foreskins start flying suddenly it's all good.

Btw, once you start looking for this....obsession?....in the babble, it blows your mind (pun not intended). In 1Samual 18:25-27, David buys his first wife with foreskins. The father of the bride asked for 100, but David went above and beyond and paid 200 (yes, he killed 200 men to collect them).
 
Even if it's NOT a gay love poem, it sure as hell is proof - if this is the inspired word of god - he thinks sex is the best thing he ever came up with.
It sure is a nice data point in that direction, a paean to romantic love.

DR
 
if it's bad, why the hell did he make it so damn good?.

See also 'crack cocaine'. Someone earlier made reference to social control of sex to reduce the chance of the stableboy impregnating the Mayor's daughter, but surely even before that level of social development the wiser members of the tribe would have wished to discourage profligate childbirth, with all the extra mouths to feed and take care of, not to mention the dangers to healthy females whose contribution to the tribe's work would be reduced and possibly terminated by pregnancy. Like a lot of ideas, generations of chinese whispers turn it into religious dogma.

In my own experience (an unscientific survey but with an impressively large sample size ;) ), a Quaker girlfriend was the least inhibited and most...erm...voracious in her appetite, but the Society of Friends is not a prescriptive church.
 
I'll tell you why God discourages frivalous sex.. because he already has enough prayers to ignore without people crying out "oh god!" when they're getting busy.

Rofl, a Christian friend once came to me and told me he saw a comedian ask a funny question and he said he thought of me; "What does an atheist cry out during climax?"
Of course my first question was, "Why are you contemplating my orgasms?" But my answer to the original question was,"I usually yell out, 'honey, wake up, I'm almost there." :D
 

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