A letter and appeal on Climate Change

[mhaze]

Interesting.
Am I mistaken in saying there haven't been any "criminal investigations" into fraud - yet?

Yes. And bit_pattern misdirects on this matter.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/local/Cuccinelli-targets-grants-to-climate-scientist-92723669.html

Come to think of it, there is a long history of property crimes by Greenpeace, other eco-terrorist and radical environmental groups. I can certainly go on the record as being against any and all property crimes (in addition to the previously mentioned issues of personal violence or the threat of) in the supposed name of "eco-justice."

Any other takers on that stand around here? Just curious. Because numerous of the Warmer Priests do advocate such property crimes in the name of "Eco-Justice".

Wait...never mind, just ignore me. I'm only a troll. Misdirection, false equalities, evasive behavior by Warmers is Righteous.

Salvation and Redemption in the AGW religion were discussed in the OP.

Do you not seek Salvation and Redemption?

 

[LashL]

A few posts have been moved to AAH. Please remember your Membership Agreement, be civil, and stay on topic. Thanks.

Posted By: LashL

 

[mailman]

Come to think of it, there is a long history of property crimes by Greenpeace, other eco-terrorist and radical environmental groups.

Indeed...there was a case recently where a judge allowed the belief in mann made global warming (tm) as a defence against being prosecuted for trespass. This was in relation to the "eco-warriors" who chained themselves up some chimney stack last year.

Any other takers on that stand around here? Just curious. Because numerous of the Warmer Priests do advocate such property crimes in the name of "Eco-Justice".

What gets me about these people is that they most likely abhor being controlled by the Government YET want to dictate how you live (as long as you live the right way)!

Mailman

 

[lomiller]

What gets me about these people is that they most likely abhor being controlled by the Government YET want to dictate how you live (as long as you live the right way)!

The true irony of you guys fighting your imagined communist conspiracy is that you think it’s your right to have everyone else pay the costs for you to live the way you way. The rest is simply the self delusion that these costs won’t exist if you insult the scientists researching what they are.

 

[mhaze]

The true irony of you guys fighting your imagined communist conspiracy is that you think it’s your right to have everyone else pay the costs for you to live the way you way. The rest is simply the self delusion that these costs won’t exist if you insult the scientists researching what they are.

The true irony is when guys like you extend the economic concepts of "externalities" and "commons" to include everything everyone else owns and then try to tax them for imaginary costs of invisible clouds AND AT THE SAME TIME...try to ridicule concepts of "communist conspiracies"....while invoking religions concepts such as SALVATION and REDEMPTION as part of the justification for the con.

As for insulting the scientists I find that to be somewhat confusing so why don't you clarify?

A) We can cite numerous cases of Warmer Priests advocating insulting, threatening, bullying, and otherwise intimidating or marginalizing scientists who dare to publish or discuss results that go against the "Settled Science" said fantasy of course only existing in the minds of the Warmers.

B) Skeptics might take some reasonable offense at climategate emails revealing one Warmer scientist talking about wanting to beat up a skeptical scientist who had refused to toe the line. I'm sure that Warmer scientist was treated to a juicy assortment of emails which no doubt matched his own rash comments.

• (A) is in my opinion improper but Warmers condone it.
• (B) I find rather amusing actually, but hey it may be something that shouldn't be done.

Stupid me!

Of course (B) should not be done. Only the Warmers should be allowed to bully, intimidate, threaten, destroy private property, threaten to shoot skeptics, and so forth.

Because They are the Righteous seeking Salvation and Redemption.

 

[lomiller]

Ah, so not only do you need to ignore the scientific literature, you also need to ignore the entire body of mainstream economics going back to Adam Smith and disregard the effect externalities have on a free market. (for those not familiar with the term, externalities effectively stop a free market from functioning.)

 

[BenBurch]

RS.org? What's that?

 

[mhaze]

Ah, so not only do you need to ignore the scientific literature, you also need to ignore the entire body of mainstream economics going back to Adam Smith and disregard the effect externalities have on a free market. (for those not familiar with the term, externalities effectively stop a free market from functioning.)

So is Salvation and Redemption sought before, or as part of the process, of finding yourself going onto the barbecue grill due to the cities relapsing into cannibalism after the crops all die and it's all due to not "Taking Urgent Action Now" and not listening to the Profits who Profitized all this happening:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSlB1nW4S54

We needs that good old timey AGW religion!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzSuP_TMFtk

Yassir! Hallelujah!

 

[BenBurch]

The true irony of you guys fighting your imagined communist conspiracy is that you think it’s your right to have everyone else pay the costs for you to live the way you way. The rest is simply the self delusion that these costs won’t exist if you insult the scientists researching what they are.

Just so. Damaging the Commons is a tax on all. And not a tax for which we had any representation, either.

 

[lomiller]

Just so. Damaging the Commons is a tax on all. And not a tax for which we had any representation, either.

Another irony is that mhaze even objects to policies that would convert this commons to a form of private ownership. Apparently they have to stay as commons that can be freely destroyed so a select group of private people can make a profit and anything else is “communism”

 

[mhaze]

So....

Only the Warmers should be allowed to bully, intimidate, threaten, destroy private property, threaten to shoot skeptics, and so forth?

More importantly - if one accepts your concept of salvation and redemption is he or she not going to be one of the first round of barbeque when we are all cannibals?

I was kind of thinking it would be the civil servants and lawyers who'd be first.

 

[uke2se]

RS.org? What's that?

RationalSkepticism.org. That's where everyone migrated to after Richard Dawkins closed his forums.

 

[BenBurch]

RationalSkepticism.org. That's where everyone migrated to after Richard Dawkins closed his forums.

AH, Because when you literally go to RS.org its a woo site.

 

[uke2se]

AH, Because when you literally go to RS.org its a woo site.

 

[bit_pattern]

RationalSkepticism.org. That's where everyone migrated to after Richard Dawkins closed his forums.

Why did he close them? Explains a lot though, I was wondering why so many links to the Dawkins forum when I asked questions

 

[uke2se]

Why did he close them? Explains a lot though, I was wondering why so many links to the Dawkins forum when I asked questions

I'm not 100% as I was on a break when it happened, but I think Dawkins reacted badly to one of the admins of the forums getting treated badly by users or something. Maybe some of the other RD.net refugees can fill you in better.

 

[mailman]

The true irony of you guys fighting your imagined communist conspiracy is that you think it’s your right to have everyone else pay the costs for you to live the way you way. The rest is simply the self delusion that these costs won’t exist if you insult the scientists researching what they are.

Exactly what costs are you talking about?

Do you not agree that if we are going to cripple industries with massive taxes that the science used for that basis needs to be rock solid and conducted out in the open?

By open, I mean the exact opposite of what CRU has been doing for years.

Mailman

 

[Hallo Alfie]

Who here is really wanting to insult the scientists anyway? They (most I would suggest) know and acknowledge that the science isn't ever settled.

It's the warmibles who fall prey to the political ideologies and groupthink that ensues. And it's them that do the vast majority of the insulting, and (hilariously to me) then whine "no fair, I'm telling mummy" when they get a little of their own back.
Tis the way of most bullies.

 

[mailman]

Come on Alfie, we all know that its us sceptics who are doing all the projecting here

Regards

Mailman

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I'm telling on you.