I love Dr. Nancy Snyderman of NBC

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

4 of the 6 male cousins are just fine. 2 of the 3 female cousins are just fine.

And if my daughter has fertility problems, whatever the cause, I will support her in whatever she does to have a family, if she wants one.

I suppose all of us adults are suffering from some kind of systemic damage too, since I can't be the only one here who had the full schedule of vaccines (including small pox) as a child nearly 4 decades ago, before they knew about the problems with some of the ingredients (which are now no longer used).

everyone says that "oh they are fine" or "they are just fine"... hmm.. mediocre intelligence is not 'just fine' when they could have been genius that's a problem.

Now I'm not saying I know everything, but when you put a whole lot of something very toxic like mercury or aluminum into a baby, there's going to be some problems, sometimes problems that you can't even tell, cause you've never known your children without vaccines, so how could we know how "just fine" they really are, compared to what they possibly could have been.. more healthy, more intelligent, better more efficient DNA and immune systems..

instead we have a society filled with fast food additives, cancer causing food, water, medicine and air..

so if we're not constantly detoxing these chemicals, if we eat the crap their feeding us.. then we become clogged up and of course if our bodies can't operate correctly, we either get sick or die.

the more toxins we have.. the more risk we build.

the more chemical and the less biological that we eat, will cause us harm also.

its like we are no longer living beings, but shells of what we could be, because we no longer have the same bio-chemistry our ancestors had, and that's exactly the goal of the Elite in this world, they even admit it in their books and U.N. documents they want to control all food and medicine, so they can live long healthy lives while we live and work fast for them until we die.

 

[Arisia]

What evidence would it take? To convince me?

I could NEVER be convinced that allopathy/orthodox treatments are "good". That was started with the Rockefellers' snake oil.

Keep your petroleum chemicals, I'll stick to God's plants.

Injecting toxic chemicals and virus, goes against common sense.

If you want real immunity you support the immune system, those who don't believe you can do this, should come see how I live, flu-free, and have even cured myself of a supposedly incurable illness. Just by diet alone I was able to change my body, build real immunity and I have not caught a cold or flu since I've changed.

And if a rabid animal happens to bite you? Or a poisonous snake?

 

[Criticalist]

As I bizarrely claim? There's been a Canadian study that used Hep A shot for the "placebo". They said "intramuscularly" which means it was a vaccine, as you claim as the study claims, "sodium chloride" which I highly suspect that is contains more than just salt water. They do not disclose the ingredients of either vaccine, so the saline "shot" could still contain the adjuvants which are the metals and chemicals that make vaccines more "effective".

I want to see the break down of each vaccine used in this study. Where can I find the ingredients of the saline shot?

I’m not sure I want to bother with this, but what the hell.

The placebo was saline. Medical saline is 0.9% Sodium Chloride. You may find out more about what it contains here. It is physiologically inactive, and thus used as a placebo.
You seem to think that because it was given intramuscularly it must therefore be a vaccine. Oddly enough vaccines are not defined by their route of administration but rather by their physiological activity. The saline placebo was given by the im route as well, otherwise the subjects would know whether they were getting the vaccine or the placebo. This is called blinding, and is an essential part of this blinded, randomised, placebo controlled trial of vaccine safety, which you claimed earlier in this thread did not exist.

But lets be honest. You really don’t understand any of this do you? The studies, the evidence, patient explanations given by others on this forum, its meaningless noise to you because you don’t want to understand. That would take effort, and knowledge, and worse than that would open you up to the possibility that your beliefs may be wrong. Its far easier to believe in scary conspiracies that make you feel superior to all the poor sheep, because you are the one who knows best, the one who wont fall for it. Perhaps it allows you to make sense of a complex world, but I think its sad. Its sad because you are squandering the greatest human gift, the power of rational thought, the power to analyse facts and draw conclusions, and most importantly the power to take a piece of new information and say “I see now that I was wrong”.

Pretty much every assertion about vaccine trials you have made in this thread has been shown to you to be mistaken. Each time you raise a new objection, each one less plausible than the last, they are proven to be invalid. You have now descended to the level that you have to claim the literature is fraudulent. Someone who cannot change their mind, even when incontrovertible evidence of their mistakenness is pointed out to them is to my mind a child, or a fanatic. At least children can learn.

 

[Arisia]

everyone says that "oh they are fine" or "they are just fine"... hmm.. mediocre intelligence is not 'just fine' when they could have been genius that's a problem.

Now I'm not saying I know everything, but when you put a whole lot of something very toxic like mercury or aluminum into a baby, there's going to be some problems, sometimes problems that you can't even tell, cause you've never known your children without vaccines, so how could we know how "just fine" they really are, compared to what they possibly could have been.. more healthy, more intelligent, better more efficient DNA and immune systems..

instead we have a society filled with fast food additives, cancer causing food, water, medicine and air..

so if we're not constantly detoxing these chemicals, if we eat the crap their feeding us.. then we become clogged up and of course if our bodies can't operate correctly, we either get sick or die.

the more toxins we have.. the more risk we build.

the more chemical and the less biological that we eat, will cause us harm also.

its like we are no longer living beings, but shells of what we could be, because we no longer have the same bio-chemistry our ancestors had, and that's exactly the goal of the Elite in this world, they even admit it in their books and U.N. documents they want to control all food and medicine, so they can live long healthy lives while we live and work fast for them until we die.

So I'm so damaged by modern medicine that I haven't noticed that my own daughter is starting to suffer from that same damage?

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

So much nonsense, its difficult to know what to address, but here goes.

You said:





Well, astonishingly enough, if you read the study you will see:

"We randomly assigned participants to receive either 0.5 ml (25 µg in each) 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine (Pneumovax, Merck, NJ) or 0.5 ml placebo (sodium chloride) intramuscularly"

The placebo was saline, not Hep A as you bizarrely claimed. For the other study I quoted, on Zoster vaccination, once again carefully reading the innclusion criteria would have informed you that the placebo was not another vaccine.
And the phrase n=504 refers to the number of subjects. If you are unaware of this you cannot realisticly claim to be able to intepret the medical literature in any meaningful way, as you clearly cannot have even the most basic of grounding in the subject.

OKAY here we go>>>>>

What I found, myself, having to LOOK for the FULL paper on the study; here's the LINK I should have been given, so that I could READ the entire thing, not just some tidbit on the study...

http://ukpmc.ac.uk/articlerender.cgi?tool=pubmed&pubmedid=20211953

that is the full text I found.

Now that I've found the correct LINK, now I can see where you found the following;

""We randomly assigned participants to receive either 0.5 ml (25 µg in each) 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine (Pneumovax, Merck, NJ) or 0.5 ml placebo (sodium chloride) intramuscularly"

I will read more, to find what ingredients were in this vaccine and the placebo, cause they're generally something with adjuvants to blind the study.

 

[malaka]

Why are you folks arguing with SaveAmericaFightNWO?? It's such a waste of time. What can you possibly hope to accomplish? Use your brainpower in a more useful, productive way...

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

So much nonsense, its difficult to know what to address, but here goes.

You said:

Well, astonishingly enough, if you read the study you will see:

"We randomly assigned participants to receive either 0.5 ml (25 µg in each) 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine (Pneumovax, Merck, NJ) or 0.5 ml placebo (sodium chloride) intramuscularly"

The placebo was saline, not Hep A as you bizarrely claimed. For the other study I quoted, on Zoster vaccination, once again carefully reading the innclusion criteria would have informed you that the placebo was not another vaccine.
And the phrase n=504 refers to the number of subjects. If you are unaware of this you cannot realisticly claim to be able to intepret the medical literature in any meaningful way, as you clearly cannot have even the most basic of grounding in the subject.

Apon further reading after finding the correct link to the full text, just below that quote about the placebo is this;

"Nursing home residents were enrolled in the study once eligibility had been ascertained. We excluded people who were immunocompromised, because of a presumed poor response to the vaccine (for example, patients with myeloma, active malignant disease, a neutrophil count <1.0×109/l, hypogammmaglobulinaemia, HIV infection, solid organ or bone marrow transplantation, or those undergoing dialysis); people of potentially low compliance, such as those unable to follow study instructions; people who had ever received a pneumococcal vaccine; and people with hypersensitivity to the vaccine components."

They are HAND picking the healthier nursing home residents, where as the patients that generally receive these shots, are not hand picked this same way.

Again.. fraud fraud fraud fraud!

They are purposely removing people they know or assume would have bad reactions to the vaccine. Doctors do not generally do this to their patients, they don't remove sick patients from their doctor's offices I'm sure.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

"Nursing home residents were enrolled in the study once eligibility had been ascertained. We excluded people who were immunocompromised, because of a presumed poor response to the vaccine (for example, patients with myeloma, active malignant disease, a neutrophil count <1.0×109/l, hypogammmaglobulinaemia, HIV infection, solid organ or bone marrow transplantation, or those undergoing dialysis); people of potentially low compliance, such as those unable to follow study instructions; people who had ever received a pneumococcal vaccine; and people with hypersensitivity to the vaccine components."

also, immunocompromised could be just about anyone, even someone not sick, but just has a vitamin deficiency.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

Why are you folks arguing with SaveAmericaFightNWO?? It's such a waste of time. What can you possibly hope to accomplish? Use your brainpower in a more useful, productive way...

Why would discussing with me, be a waste of time? Using your brain to think and to debate keeps you informed.

You trying to say this people can't provide solid answers for their willing enslavement to the establishment medical debauchery?

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

So I'm so damaged by modern medicine that I haven't noticed that my own daughter is starting to suffer from that same damage?

only God can answer that really. how am I to know what damage you have internally?

I know I was brain damaged by vaccines, everyone's that ever received a vaccine was damaged in some way. A chemical lobotomy. I admit it, there's something wrong with toxic chemicals floating in a newborn's body. I am mad as hell I was injected with such bull crap, animal cells?! Jesus! I was a damn baby not an experiment!

What is wrong with you people injecting chemicals in your babies?! I would never inject that stuff into my kids.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

And if a rabid animal happens to bite you? Or a poisonous snake?

What do you suggest someone do if that happens? get a rabis shot? a tetnus shot?

If you're out in the middle of nowhere, and you get bit by a poisonous snake, you have no other choice but to use a knife (if you were smart enough to carry one) to cut into the skin where the bite marks are, and make it bleed out while you move as little as humanly possible and slow your heart rate, while you cut off circulation with a shirt or something around the leg or arm you were bitten.

When you are sure that most of the poison is drained out, you can stop the bleeding with that same shirt, and then proceed to a clinic to get stitches.

If YOU choose to get anti-venom, that is up to you, that is not my way.

I rather bleed it out and then use hydrogen peroxide, alcohol or pure water to clean the bite marks, slap some healing balm on there, and I'm good to go.

and if you get poison Ivy.. rub the inside of a banana peel on your skin where you got touched, and there's many more ways to remedy that that don't use any toxic chemicals going into the body...

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

I’m not sure I want to bother with this, but what the hell.

The placebo was saline. Medical saline is 0.9% Sodium Chloride. You may find out more about what it contains here. It is physiologically inactive, and thus used as a placebo.
You seem to think that because it was given intramuscularly it must therefore be a vaccine. Oddly enough vaccines are not defined by their route of administration but rather by their physiological activity. The saline placebo was given by the im route as well, otherwise the subjects would know whether they were getting the vaccine or the placebo. This is called blinding, and is an essential part of this blinded, randomised, placebo controlled trial of vaccine safety, which you claimed earlier in this thread did not exist.

But lets be honest. You really don’t understand any of this do you? The studies, the evidence, patient explanations given by others on this forum, its meaningless noise to you because you don’t want to understand. That would take effort, and knowledge, and worse than that would open you up to the possibility that your beliefs may be wrong. Its far easier to believe in scary conspiracies that make you feel superior to all the poor sheep, because you are the one who knows best, the one who wont fall for it. Perhaps it allows you to make sense of a complex world, but I think its sad. Its sad because you are squandering the greatest human gift, the power of rational thought, the power to analyse facts and draw conclusions, and most importantly the power to take a piece of new information and say “I see now that I was wrong”.

Pretty much every assertion about vaccine trials you have made in this thread has been shown to you to be mistaken. Each time you raise a new objection, each one less plausible than the last, they are proven to be invalid. You have now descended to the level that you have to claim the literature is fraudulent. Someone who cannot change their mind, even when incontrovertible evidence of their mistakenness is pointed out to them is to my mind a child, or a fanatic. At least children can learn.

If we're really being open an honest then why are you trying to assume that I do not learn? That you believe that I do not understand what I'm being told in this forum?

What 5 hour phone conversation have we ever had for you to know so much about me from only a day's worth of posting?

I've proven my case to be valid, there's not one solid study based on what you would call sound science, that provides clear cut evidence that this vaccine or that vaccine is "safe" or "effective". The double blind study you selected to dispute me, hand picks nursing home patients. You claim that I can't change my mind, but you see you can't change your own mind either, when I have shown you the fraud in even the evidence that you submit.

How are you going to sit there and make excuses for your misunderstanding of who I am or what I know and understand?

Then you also continue to believe in corporations over We the People, is just disgusting.

What planet do you come from to sell out your own kind?

 

[malaka]

Why would discussing with me, be a waste of time?

Good! A question.

Using your brain to think and to debate keeps you informed.

Good! A statement.

You trying to say this people can't provide solid answers for their willing enslavement to the establishment medical debauchery?

Bad! You're putting words in my mouth.

My answer to your question: I agree that good debate is not a waste of time, and keeps you informed. But this dialogue, IMHO, is a waste of time, and not good debate. I feel that your mind is too closed to see any viewpoint other than your own.

I don't "debate" with my parents about certain subjects, either. Their minds are made up, and no amount of "debate" will sway them, or even allow them to consider an alternate viewpoint.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

Here's some practices that you pro-vaxers would just love, if they were alive back in the day;

http://www.onlinenursingdegrees.org/medical/bizarre-medical-practices-theories.htm

Most important one is #2, instead of drinking it, they are injecting it!

 

[Capsid]

I follow you.

Though, what happens with the adjuvants? Where do they go? Do they end up in the blood? or in the brain?

If injected into tissue, would the body not pull/detox/extract that metal or adjuvant out of the muscle, and wouldn't it be transported via blood stream to the bladder, kidneys, liver or colon? During this trip, could it not be possible to damage tissue on the way out?

it depends on the adjuvant. Some adjuvants are designed to stay at the site of injection to slowly release the vaccine components, others are transported by the immunce cells to the lymph nodes where they facilitate presentation of the vaccine components to specialised immune cells. So they neither end up in the blood or the brain. The adjuvants used aren't toxic at the doses used (as Eos has been trying to explain); they would not be allowed in vaccines if they were. The aluminium is not a metal it's in an organic form (aluminium hydorxide) which is a big and important difference (same with mercury (ethyl mercury) too). There is so small a dose that

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

Good! A question.


Good! A statement.



Bad! You're putting words in my mouth.

My answer to your question: I agree that good debate is not a waste of time, and keeps you informed. But this dialogue, IMHO, is a waste of time, and not good debate. I feel that your mind is too closed to see any viewpoint other than your own.

I don't "debate" with my parents about certain subjects, either. Their minds are made up, and no amount of "debate" will sway them, or even allow them to consider an alternate viewpoint.

Closed? I've opened my eyes to the corruption. You have not my friend.

What part of GMOs do you not understand? What part of Aspartame do you not understand? What part of artificial dyes/flavors/additives in foods that are known to cause cancer or infertility like Polysorbate-80 (in foods and vaccines)

WHY do they put cancer virus in the vaccines?!

Does virus vaccine increase the risk of cancer?http://www.bild.de/BILD/news/bild-e...-virus-vaccine-increase-risk-of-cancer.html##

"The nutrient solution for the vaccine consists of cancerous cells from animals and "we do not know if there could be an allergic reaction".

But more importantly, some people fear that the risk of cancer could be increased by injecting the cells.

The vaccine - as Johannes Löwer, president of the Paul Ehrlich Institute, has pointed out - can also cause worse side effects than the actual swine flu virus."

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

An even better question that my open mind would like to ask;

Question: why do people have to be convinced NOT to inject chemicals totally unknown to them into their blood (the most precious filtration system in the only body they have), but need nothing more than a doctor to say "vaccine's are safe" for them to get the jabs!?!? Why don't they need convincing that they ARE safe...? How come I'm the crazy one for not being convinced??

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

it depends on the adjuvant. Some adjuvants are designed to stay at the site of injection to slowly release the vaccine components, others are transported by the immunce cells to the lymph nodes where they facilitate presentation of the vaccine components to specialised immune cells. So they neither end up in the blood or the brain. The adjuvants used aren't toxic at the doses used (as Eos has been trying to explain); they would not be allowed in vaccines if they were. The aluminium is not a metal it's in an organic form (aluminium hydorxide) which is a big and important difference (same with mercury (ethyl mercury) too). There is so small a dose that

there is so small a dose that... what? continue on..

to note.. if they pass through any part of the body, they will pass through the bloodstream, and with that.. the brain.

I could walk up to you, and drop one drop of pure sodium flouride, or hexa-fluorositic-acid on the ground, and you just being near it, you'd need a bio-suit in order not to be harmed by the vapors, granted you wont die, but you'll be very sick. If I get just one drop of it on your skin, you're toast, I'm not threatening it, I'm just making a point. One drop of a very toxic substance, in the right spot, can damage someone's tissue, and I'm not a rocket scientist, but you can't just shove chemicals and biologicals in areas of the body, and expect them to "work" just like you say they "work", all bodies are different, and what may cause me massive brain damage, may cause you to feel good about taking vaccines.. idk how it works exactly, and I'm sure there's not a device that can see exactly where those chemicals are going, right after the vaccine, so I'm sure that even if that's how the vaccine "was designed to do ..." there's a good possibility that the chemicals just get entered into your body then BLAM! it hits your blood then your brain.

Why else would there be so many different symptoms and some children that don't develop any symptoms are the ones you really have to worry about cause their bodies should be rejecting ALL foreign matter.

and how dare you screw with the natural order of things, big pharma.. changing DNA.. genetics, immunity functions?!

Who said their toying with our bodies is any good? Even THEY admit they're using soft-kill weapons on us in the form of food and medicine..

I can't just forget what David Rockefeller and Henry Kissinger says about us.. the "useless eaters" they call us...I can't forget they helped create AIDS, for world depopulation.. I can't forget they put SV40 in the polio vaccine causing a whole generation of feeble mindedness.

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

SaveAmericaFightNWO is a parody, right? No real person can have that many conspiracy theories in him/her, right?

What the hell are you talking about?

Its not a conspiracy to sell you toxic chemicals that make you sick so you return for drugs, then because of those drugs' side-effects, you go back and ask for more..

that's just good way of keeping profits in your business.

they monopolize medicine, making it illegal to express that your super food supplement does any benefit to an illness.. making also the most nutrient rich plant on earth, illegal as well, hmm I wonder why, to make people sick!

its not a conspiracy, its a business agenda!

I guess you could call it a conspiracy if you want to be technical, but who am I to stop sheep from following wolves? I'm just a bear that cares. Here to warn you, that's all.

You probably watch a lot of TV?

 

[SaveAmericaFightNWO]

So much nonsense, its difficult to know what to address, but here goes.

Well, astonishingly enough, if you read the study you will see:

"We randomly assigned participants to receive either 0.5 ml (25 µg in each) 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine (Pneumovax, Merck, NJ) or 0.5 ml placebo (sodium chloride) intramuscularly"

The placebo was saline, not Hep A as you bizarrely claimed. For the other study I quoted, on Zoster vaccination, once again carefully reading the innclusion criteria would have informed you that the placebo was not another vaccine.
And the phrase n=504 refers to the number of subjects. If you are unaware of this you cannot realisticly claim to be able to intepret the medical literature in any meaningful way, as you clearly cannot have even the most basic of grounding in the subject.

Funny even your link from wikipedia states this;

"Saline solutions are available in various formulations for different purposes. Salines are also used in cell biology, molecular biology, and biochemistry experiments."

Hmm, I wonder what form of saline they could think up, that would help them pass a bogus FDA safety standard? Maybe a placebo/saline that resembles the same devices as the vaccine perhaps?

by the looks of it..

Who funded this study? The pharmaceutical company? lol