I love Dr. Nancy Snyderman of NBC

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I'd say that's more than "No risk from aluminum"..

so when someone LIES to you about something this small, openly over-looks any risks, does not admit risks, and LIES saying there's NO RISK.. is the same reason why most people do not TRUST these same people with their health.
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Good luck on escaping from the deadly aluminum. It is the is the most common metal on Earth's crust. :jaw-dropp
 
Arisia said:
So why isn't every child in the USA that's been given the HepB vaccine suffering from brain damage and organ damage?

Take my daughter, for instance, she's gotten the full course of childhood vaccinations, including Gardasil, and she's doing just fine. She has cousins on the paternal side and maternal side that are on the Autism Spectrum, so clearly she could be vulnerable genetically, yet she has had all the vaccinations and is an Honor Roll student taking Advanced Math classes and playing piano in the Honor Band.
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yup yup, its always a daughter, my daughter is fine.. well BOYS aren't FINE!

Boys are more susceptible to toxic chemicals.

I'm not here to convince you that toxic chemicals harm your child, cause they already have, regardless if you see it or not, you do not know what goes on at the microscopic level, you have no idea what kind of damage was done to your child or her children(IF she can have them), especially after Gardasil, she may be infertile cause of it.

I'm sure you'll try to think of a nice way of appeasing big pharma "its okay she doesn't need to have kids"

besides, she may be doing great now, but wait, it takes years sometimes decades for vaccine damage to equal cancer-by-vaccine.
 
Arisia said:
So why isn't every child in the USA that's been given the HepB vaccine suffering from brain damage and organ damage?
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There's no brain scan before and after, so you can't say that there's no brain damage. And its not common practice to ask for a scan prior to vaccinations, but that would be a great way of finally putting it to rest.

if from now on... all the children given vaccines, must go through a brain scan first...then after wards..

I'm betting doctors will refuse to give the scans, or they'll change up the doses/schedules.



There's a lot of cases of adverse side-effects, even our government has set up a multi-billion dollar fund to deal with those with vaccine injuries.

Oh and why is it that the US gov't our congress voted to have pharmaceutical liability removed, so that you no longer can sue the manufacturer....

that's fishy to me!
 
Well SaveAmerica..., I had all the injections and I'm almost 50.
My children had them as well.
Should I worry that when the poles change we would be more susceptible, or do you think this gives us an advantage?
Also, SaveAmericaFightNWO, do you think
that if in 2012 we still own property, that that will go against us?
 
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So much nonsense, its difficult to know what to address, but here goes.

You said:

If i'm wrong, then it should be EASY to find a placebo study that shows what the placebo IS!!! EXACTLY WHAT'S BEEN GIVEN AS A PLACEBO!

This is the important make it or break it....

It's a fraud if it's not a REAL placebo
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Show me what the placebo is; a study that SHOWS the placebo

"INTERVENTIONS: Participants were randomly allocated to either 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine (n=502) or placebo (n=504)"

Well what the heck is n=504 anyway????

A placebo-vaccine.. Hep A (most likely)
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Well, astonishingly enough, if you read the study you will see:

"We randomly assigned participants to receive either 0.5 ml (25 µg in each) 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine (Pneumovax, Merck, NJ) or 0.5 ml placebo (sodium chloride) intramuscularly"

The placebo was saline, not Hep A as you bizarrely claimed. For the other study I quoted, on Zoster vaccination, once again carefully reading the innclusion criteria would have informed you that the placebo was not another vaccine.
And the phrase n=504 refers to the number of subjects. If you are unaware of this you cannot realisticly claim to be able to intepret the medical literature in any meaningful way, as you clearly cannot have even the most basic of grounding in the subject.
 
Criticalist said:
"We randomly assigned participants to receive either 0.5 ml (25 µg in each) 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine (Pneumovax, Merck, NJ) or 0.5 ml placebo (sodium chloride) intramuscularly"

The placebo was saline, not Hep A as you bizarrely claimed. For the other study I quoted, on Zoster vaccination, once again carefully reading the innclusion criteria would have informed you that the placebo was not another vaccine.
And the phrase n=504 refers to the number of subjects. If you are unaware of this you cannot realisticly claim to be able to intepret the medical literature in any meaningful way, as you clearly cannot have even the most basic of grounding in the subject.
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Wow, Smackdown.

SaveAmericaFightNWO , before you go one, What evidence would it take to change your mind on vaccines? Or are you going to continue ranting no matter what is put in front of you.
 
OK, I went to the link you provided that I think you meant to support the idea that polio vaccination wasn't needed because the disease was falling off on its own. (http://www.wpro.who.int/sites/epi/data/DAT_Polio_OPV3.htm)

Am I reading it wrong? At 60% vaccination coverage, polio starts to fall off. By the time vaccination levels reach 80% coverage, the disease is largely gone.

I think this just mirrors what happened in the U.S., only many years later. Polio vaccine becomes available in 1955 and, after it is used in a large enough population, the disease largely disappears.

I think I'm pretty much convinced that vaccines (at least polio) are a good idea. But thanks for getting me to look again at my assumptions. It's good practice to revisit stuff you thought you knew to see if anything has changed.
 
For the nth time, no vaccine is injected into the bloodstream.

I blame mercola for this.
 
Capsid said:
For the nth time, no vaccine is injected into the bloodstream.

I blame mercola for this.
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as if you know that when every single vaccine is given, that it goes only into muscle? LOL

muscles need what? oxygen.. how does the oxygen get to the muscle? bloodstream then on into the muscle

so getting shot in the muscle, is just as harmful as if it was given straight into a vein
 
pchams said:
Well SaveAmerica..., I had all the injections and I'm almost 50.
My children had them as well.
Should I worry that when the poles change we would be more susceptible, or do you think this gives us an advantage?
Also,SaveAmericaFightNWO, do you think[/URL]
that if in 2012 we still own property, that that will go against us?
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What? I don't have an opinion for you on that. Nor do I care to speculate about 2012, with anyone that willingly takes vaccines.

But I'll tell you this much, Kings and Queens do not want us to have freedom, Bush was right about that one thing that the terrorists really do hate us for our freedom, that's why the terrorists passed the Patriot Act to take away our freedoms, which is what BIG tyrannical government does... takes personal liberties away.. takes away personal property, do they admit publicly they wish to see us chipped? Yes. they do. How will they get us to take a chip? By the time they're done with all the false-flag operations, I'm sure we'll be BEGGING for security and willing to give all Rights and personal decisions... over to a world government.

That is what they say they want for the world, not me!
 
Criticalist said:
So much nonsense, its difficult to know what to address, but here goes.

You said:

Well, astonishingly enough, if you read the study you will see:

"We randomly assigned participants to receive either 0.5 ml (25 µg in each) 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine (Pneumovax, Merck, NJ) or 0.5 ml placebo (sodium chloride) intramuscularly"

The placebo was saline, not Hep A as you bizarrely claimed. For the other study I quoted, on Zoster vaccination, once again carefully reading the innclusion criteria would have informed you that the placebo was not another vaccine.
And the phrase n=504 refers to the number of subjects. If you are unaware of this you cannot realisticly claim to be able to intepret the medical literature in any meaningful way, as you clearly cannot have even the most basic of grounding in the subject.
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As I bizarrely claim? There's been a Canadian study that used Hep A shot for the "placebo". They said "intramuscularly" which means it was a vaccine, as you claim as the study claims, "sodium chloride" which I highly suspect that is contains more than just salt water. They do not disclose the ingredients of either vaccine, so the saline "shot" could still contain the adjuvants which are the metals and chemicals that make vaccines more "effective".

I want to see the break down of each vaccine used in this study. Where can I find the ingredients of the saline shot?
 
akama1 said:
Wow, Smackdown.

SaveAmericaFightNWO , before you go one, What evidence would it take to change your mind on vaccines? Or are you going to continue ranting no matter what is put in front of you.
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What evidence would it take? To convince me?

I could NEVER be convinced that allopathy/orthodox treatments are "good". That was started with the Rockefellers' snake oil.

Keep your petroleum chemicals, I'll stick to God's plants.

Injecting toxic chemicals and virus, goes against common sense.

If you want real immunity you support the immune system, those who don't believe you can do this, should come see how I live, flu-free, and have even cured myself of a supposedly incurable illness. Just by diet alone I was able to change my body, build real immunity and I have not caught a cold or flu since I've changed.
 
SaveAmericaFightNWO said:
as if you know that when every single vaccine is given, that it goes only into muscle? LOL

muscles need what? oxygen.. how does the oxygen get to the muscle? bloodstream then on into the muscle

so getting shot in the muscle, is just as harmful as if it was given straight into a vein
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Oxygen is a very small molecule that passes through cell membranes from bloodstream to muscle. Vaccine proteins/adjuvants are huge by comparison and can not pass across these membranes. Anyway vaccines are engulfed by special cells in the skin/muscle that then transport the vaccine components to the local lymph nodes (not via the bloodstream).
 
SaveAmericaFightNWO said:
What evidence would it take? To convince me?

I could NEVER be convinced that allopathy/orthodox treatments are "good". That was started with the Rockefellers' snake oil.

Keep your petroleum chemicals, I'll stick to God's plants.

Injecting toxic chemicals and virus, goes against common sense.

If you want real immunity you support the immune system, those who don't believe you can do this, should come see how I live, flu-free, and have even cured myself of a supposedly incurable illness. Just by diet alone I was able to change my body, build real immunity and I have not caught a cold or flu since I've changed.
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If you can't be convinced then why come here and argue with us? Your operating on a belief level rather than assessing the evidence logically.
 
Criticalist said:
Safety of Herpes Zoster Vaccine in the Shingles Prevention Study

Randomized, placebo-controlled trial with enrollment from November 1998 to September 2001 and follow-up through April 2004 (mean, 3.4 years).
Actual placebo used.
Follow up of over 3 years
No increase of adverse events in the vaccine treated group.

This took me less than 30 seconds of searching on PubMed.
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"But PubMed is BIGPHARMA man." I haven't finished reading this thread, but want to see if my prediction is good.
 
SaveAmericaFightNWO said:
yup yup, its always a daughter, my daughter is fine.. well BOYS aren't FINE!

Boys are more susceptible to toxic chemicals.

I'm not here to convince you that toxic chemicals harm your child, cause they already have, regardless if you see it or not, you do not know what goes on at the microscopic level, you have no idea what kind of damage was done to your child or her children(IF she can have them), especially after Gardasil, she may be infertile cause of it.

I'm sure you'll try to think of a nice way of appeasing big pharma "its okay she doesn't need to have kids"

besides, she may be doing great now, but wait, it takes years sometimes decades for vaccine damage to equal cancer-by-vaccine.
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4 of the 6 male cousins are just fine. 2 of the 3 female cousins are just fine.

And if my daughter has fertility problems, whatever the cause, I will support her in whatever she does to have a family, if she wants one.

I suppose all of us adults are suffering from some kind of systemic damage too, since I can't be the only one here who had the full schedule of vaccines (including small pox) as a child nearly 4 decades ago, before they knew about the problems with some of the ingredients (which are now no longer used).
 
Capsid said:
Oxygen is a very small molecule that passes through cell membranes from bloodstream to muscle. Vaccine proteins/adjuvants are huge by comparison and can not pass across these membranes. Anyway vaccines are engulfed by special cells in the skin/muscle that then transport the vaccine components to the local lymph nodes (not via the bloodstream).
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I follow you.

Though, what happens with the adjuvants? Where do they go? Do they end up in the blood? or in the brain?

If injected into tissue, would the body not pull/detox/extract that metal or adjuvant out of the muscle, and wouldn't it be transported via blood stream to the bladder, kidneys, liver or colon? During this trip, could it not be possible to damage tissue on the way out?
 
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