I love Dr. Nancy Snyderman of NBC

Good luck finding a study that uses an actual placebo. If you do find one of these rare studies, note the amount of time 2-4 weeks. Not long enough. People have admitted having kidney failure this year up to 8 weeks after vaxes. Cancers take much longer.
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Safety of Herpes Zoster Vaccine in the Shingles Prevention Study

Randomized, placebo-controlled trial with enrollment from November 1998 to September 2001 and follow-up through April 2004 (mean, 3.4 years).
Actual placebo used.
Follow up of over 3 years
No increase of adverse events in the vaccine treated group.

This took me less than 30 seconds of searching on PubMed.
 
SaveAmericaFightNWO said:
HIV has nothing to do with Bayer? wtf??

MSNBC reports Bayer knew they spread aids through their vaccines
youtube com/watch?v=wg-52mHIjhs
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I don't know anything about Bayer and HIV. I meant my comment had nothing to do with Bayer, not that Bayer had nothing to do with HIV.
 
TSR said:
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Googled "vaccine double blind placebo" Roughly 2 million hits.

One of the first:
ncbi.nlm.nih gov/pubmed/9040712[/url]


Your turn: how did you determine that polio vaccine caused more polio than it prevented?

Show me the statistical study that polio was on the decline before the introduction of the vaccine?
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here in that above study, it does not list what the "placebo" is.. this gives us a clue as to what they're using as a placebo though

"Three vaccine patients and two placebo patients experienced attacks within 28 days of vaccine (no significant difference)"

here you can read that the two placebo patients experienced attacks within 28 days of vaccine (what vaccine? so the placebo group got some kind of vaccine.)

until you can provide where that study shows what the placebo is...




"""But what do we really know about vaccines? A review of the medical literature and CDC documents reveals the following FIVE key points:

1. Vaccine studies and clinical trials are relatively small and only include healthy participants. Once approved, vaccines are given to everyone, regardless of their health condition, their family history, or their genetics.

2. Vaccine safety studies are short. Clinical trials frequently monitor side effects for only five days. Reactions to the new Swine Flu vaccine were followed for 21 days, and then the vaccine was called “safe.” These arbitrary cut offs were set years ago by the FDA and drug companies. Safe is a designation based on limited information.

3.Vaccine safety studies do not use a true placebo. The gold standard in medical research is the "placebo-controlled" trial, giving a sugar pill to the control group and then comparing the new product for safety. In vaccine trials, the control group is not given an inert substance, such as a shot of sterile saline. The control group is injected with a vaccine with a “known safety profile.” This is not an inert substance! While this may be acceptable for research, concluding a new vaccine is as “safe as a placebo” is deceptive science for both the patient AND the doctor.

4.Safety concerns about vaccines are more than theoretical. The US government has awarded almost $2billion through the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program to vaccine-injured persons. With vaccines now potentially becoming mandatory, the real costs of unnecessary medical workups and the true risk/benefit of vaccines needs to be critically overhauled.

5. Vaccine-induced antibodies do not correlate with protection. The esteemed medical journal Vaccine clearly stated: "It is known that, in many instances, antibody titers do not correlate with protection." Even the Novartis package insert for the new swine flu vaccine admits that, “Antibody titers that develop after a vaccination have not been correlated with protection from influenza illness.

After 200 years, with our many advances in science, you would think that someone could develop a method to protect babies and adults from infectious disease other than injecting them with animal cells, stray viruses and toxic chemicals.

How can this be called “harmless”? Why do we call it “health and prevention”? """




Now about Polio; here's the time line, and polio was first given in 1956.
wpro.who()int/sites/epi/data/DAT_Polio_OPV3.htm

put a . where the () is
 
Criticalist said:
Safety of Herpes Zoster Vaccine in the Shingles Prevention Study[/URL]

Randomized, placebo-controlled trial with enrollment from November 1998 to September 2001 and follow-up through April 2004 (mean, 3.4 years).
Actual placebo used.
Follow up of over 3 years
No increase of adverse events in the vaccine treated group.

This took me less than 30 seconds of searching on PubMed.
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PubMed.. yea I heard about that site... lol

So can you find for me, since its so easy for you to find these studies, please show me where they mention WHAT the placebo is

"Intervention: Single dose of herpes zoster vaccine or placebo."

What was the placebo?? Hep A vaccine? (most likely)
 
SaveAmericaFightNWO said:
Whoever said thimerosal was removed from vaccines is a liar.

It's been found, time and time again, in children and adult vaccines.

Not just Mercury, but ALUMINUM, FORMALDEHYDE.. etc etc
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So what, water can kill you, just drink enough without peeing. Now, to make this interesting, prove what dosage is toxic to humans for each of the above, and then demonstrate if any are in a toxic dose in vaccines. Then actually prove that thimerosal is in any vaccine on the children's schedule, including MMR. This incessant yabbering is boring. Make it interesting already.
 
SaveAmericaFightNWO said:
"""But what do we really know about vaccines? A review of the medical literature and CDC documents reveals the following FIVE key points:

1. Vaccine studies and clinical trials are relatively small and only include healthy participants. Once approved, vaccines are given to everyone, regardless of their health condition, their family history, or their genetics.

2. Vaccine safety studies are short. Clinical trials frequently monitor side effects for only five days. Reactions to the new Swine Flu vaccine were followed for 21 days, and then the vaccine was called “safe.” These arbitrary cut offs were set years ago by the FDA and drug companies. Safe is a designation based on limited information.

3.Vaccine safety studies do not use a true placebo. The gold standard in medical research is the "placebo-controlled" trial, giving a sugar pill to the control group and then comparing the new product for safety. In vaccine trials, the control group is not given an inert substance, such as a shot of sterile saline. The control group is injected with a vaccine with a “known safety profile.” This is not an inert substance! While this may be acceptable for research, concluding a new vaccine is as “safe as a placebo” is deceptive science for both the patient AND the doctor.

4.Safety concerns about vaccines are more than theoretical. The US government has awarded almost $2billion through the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program to vaccine-injured persons. With vaccines now potentially becoming mandatory, the real costs of unnecessary medical workups and the true risk/benefit of vaccines needs to be critically overhauled.

5. Vaccine-induced antibodies do not correlate with protection. The esteemed medical journal Vaccine clearly stated: "It is known that, in many instances, antibody titers do not correlate with protection." Even the Novartis package insert for the new swine flu vaccine admits that, “Antibody titers that develop after a vaccination have not been correlated with protection from influenza illness.

After 200 years, with our many advances in science, you would think that someone could develop a method to protect babies and adults from infectious disease other than injecting them with animal cells, stray viruses and toxic chemicals.

How can this be called “harmless”? Why do we call it “health and prevention”? """




Now about Polio; here's the time line, and polio was first given in 1956.
wpro.who()int/sites/epi/data/DAT_Polio_OPV3.htm

put a . where the () is
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omfsm, so wrong on so many levels. I don't have my link list handy, but give me a second...
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=5025

For example:

Seriously, just how hard is it to find this information? As would be expected, it depends on the disease and the vaccine (live better than killed). They estimated the half-life for the varicella zoster virus immunity at 50 years, 200 years for measles and mumps, and 11 years for tetanus. If you peruse the references, you can find other studies that show variable but sustained response to vaccines, for example 90% maintain immunity to smallpox up to 75 years after vaccination.
Long term safety was more difficult, 5 years was the limit of time I could find for safety studies of Hepatits B.
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marplots said:
OK, I found some data for you on polio.
http://www.post-polio.org/ir-usa.html

You have to look into the page to find the data you want, but polio was not "trending downward" or "on the decline" before the vaccine was introduced in 1955. There were ups and downs, but not a significant trend downward. Then, suddenly, after the vaccine is introduced, the numbers fall off dramatically.

To say the vaccine caused more disease than it prevented seems incorrect.
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it does not show polio rates prior to vaccination, so how can you claim there was no decline, when you have nothing to back that up.

I do however;

According to VACCINES Are They Really Safe & Effective? by Neil Z. Miller,
"From 1923 to 1953,before the Salk killed-virus vaccine was introduced, the polio death rate in the United States and England had already declined on its own by 47 percent and 55 percent, respectively. Source International Mortality Statistics (1981) by Michael Alderson."
See page 16.
 
Eos of the Eons said:
omfsm, so wrong on so many levels. I don't have my link list handy, but give me a second...
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=5025

For example:
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Show me what the placebo is; a study that SHOWS the placebo

"INTERVENTIONS: Participants were randomly allocated to either 23-valent pneumococcal polysaccharide vaccine (n=502) or placebo (n=504)"

Well what the heck is n=504 anyway????

A placebo-vaccine.. Hep A (most likely)
 
Eos of the Eons said:
So what, water can kill you, just drink enough without peeing. Now, to make this interesting, prove what dosage is toxic to humans for each of the above, and then demonstrate if any are in a toxic dose in vaccines. Then actually prove that thimerosal is in any vaccine on the children's schedule, including MMR. This incessant yabbering is boring. Make it interesting already.
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Water is not being (in some cases) forced into your body. Vaccines are.

According to the EPA you'd have to be a 275lb man to absorb "safely" the amount of Mercury in the CHILDREN'S HEP B shot... without permanent brain and organ damage.

That is what they're giving to newborns that are 6-8 pounds, you do the math.

How toxic is that same amount of mercury given to babies the day of their birth?

Oh.. don't forget that mercury is the first ingredient the manufacturers use to make the vaccine, most of it is removed(in only some children vaccines) Hep B still contains a high dose.

that is not even counting the amount of aluminum in there, formaldehyde, and animal/human cells that shouldn't be in a new born.
 
I can not explain how disgusting it is for me to do this..

Why do people have to be convinced, NOT to inject heavy metal, aluminum, other toxic chemicals and animal cells into newborn's bloodstream?
 
SaveAmericaFightNWO said:
I can not explain how disgusting it is for me to do this..

Why do people have to be convinced, NOT to inject heavy metal, aluminum, other toxic chemicals and animal cells into newborn's bloodstream?
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?? Our own bodies a lot make those "toxins". No animal cells in vaccines, not even humans ones. I'll answer your questions after you answer my first one:

Now, to make this interesting, prove what dosage is toxic to humans for each of the above, and then demonstrate if any are in a toxic dose in vaccines. Then actually prove that thimerosal is in any vaccine on the children's schedule, including MMR. This incessant yabbering is boring. Make it interesting already.

For instance, there is more aluminum in breast milke than vaccines. Babies are born with more aluminum already in their brains even. The miniscule amount in vaccines is oh so, boring and nonconsequential. Why even bother arguing about it?

Do you not understand what a "toxin" is? There is water in vaccines. You don't seem too worried about it. Drink enough water without peeing and you will die. Water can be a toxin too.
 
To show you all what I'm talking about, using your own sites;

"6. Can you provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the intended goal of preventing disease?

Since there is no longer mercury in most vaccines, I will assume, for the sake of argument, he is referring to aluminum. Risk from aluminum in the H. influenza type b vaccine, where aluminium is used as a adjuvant: zero.

The benefit from the vaccine:

“From eight trials, the protective efficacy of the Hib conjugate vaccine was 84% (OR 0.16; 95%CI 0.08-0.30) against invasive Hib disease, 75% (OR 0.25; 95%CI 0.08-0.84) against meningitis, and 69% (OR 0.31; 95%CI 0.10-0.97) against pneumonia. Serious adverse events were rare.”

Seems a good trade off. No risk from aluminum, significant decrease in morbidity and mortality from disease."

Hmm.. seems he forgot to even look into the possible harms from aluminum exposure;

Taken from: globalhealingcenter com/aluminum-exposure.html

""Since aluminum is present in food and water supply, most people suffer from some degree of aluminum toxicity. Years of accumulated exposure and aluminum storage in the body, aluminum can become poisonous and have a range of health effects from skeletal deformities to brain degeneration. Some of the dangers are:

* Muscle Aches
* Weakness
* Bone Pain
* Speech Problems
* Anemia



* Premature Osteoporosis
* Impaired Immune System
* Impaired Kidney Function
* Impaired Iron Absorption
* Digestive Problems

Aluminum is particularly dangerous to the nervous system, with symptoms including:

* Mental Confusion
* Headaches
* Memory Loss
* Nervousness
* Heartburn



* Emotional Instability
* Disturbed Sleep
* Impaired Intellect
* Loss of Coordination
* Flatulence

High levels of aluminum in the body can hinder the body's ability to digest and use up fluoride, phosphorus and calcium, which in turn, prevents bone growth and reduces bone density. In addition, high amounts of aluminum in the body forces calcium out of bones, which results in weakness, bone deformation and crippling effects.""


I'd say that's more than "No risk from aluminum"..

so when someone LIES to you about something this small, openly over-looks any risks, does not admit risks, and LIES saying there's NO RISK.. is the same reason why most people do not TRUST these same people with their health.
 
SaveAmericaFightNWO said:
Water is not being (in some cases) forced into your body. Vaccines are.

According to the EPA you'd have to be a 275lb man to absorb "safely" the amount of Mercury in the CHILDREN'S HEP B shot... without permanent brain and organ damage.

That is what they're giving to newborns that are 6-8 pounds, you do the math.

How toxic is that same amount of mercury given to babies the day of their birth?

Oh.. don't forget that mercury is the first ingredient the manufacturers use to make the vaccine, most of it is removed(in only some children vaccines) Hep B still contains a high dose.

that is not even counting the amount of aluminum in there, formaldehyde, and animal/human cells that shouldn't be in a new born.
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I asked YOU what a toxic dose is, and you're not providing the answer. Instead you yabber on about toxins and math without any actual evidence. Prove it's a toxic dose. What is the toxic dose? If you can't come up with the answer, then you're just blowing smoke outta...

EPA is not the source. The answer is out there. You do the math and prove it. You're the one making the claime. Then prove which vaccine actually has the toxic dose.
 
SaveAmericaFightNWO said:
To show you all what I'm talking about, using your own sites;

"6. Can you provide a risk/benefit profile on how the benefits of injecting a known neurotoxin exceeds its risks to human health for the intended goal of preventing disease?

Since there is no longer mercury in most vaccines, I will assume, for the sake of argument, he is referring to aluminum. Risk from aluminum in the H. influenza type b vaccine, where aluminium is used as a adjuvant: zero.

The benefit from the vaccine:

“From eight trials, the protective efficacy of the Hib conjugate vaccine was 84% (OR 0.16; 95%CI 0.08-0.30) against invasive Hib disease, 75% (OR 0.25; 95%CI 0.08-0.84) against meningitis, and 69% (OR 0.31; 95%CI 0.10-0.97) against pneumonia. Serious adverse events were rare.”

Seems a good trade off. No risk from aluminum, significant decrease in morbidity and mortality from disease."

Hmm.. seems he forgot to even look into the possible harms from aluminum exposure;

Taken from: globalhealingcenter com/aluminum-exposure.html

""Since aluminum is present in food and water supply, most people suffer from some degree of aluminum toxicity. Years of accumulated exposure and aluminum storage in the body, aluminum can become poisonous and have a range of health effects from skeletal deformities to brain degeneration. Some of the dangers are:

* Muscle Aches
* Weakness
* Bone Pain
* Speech Problems
* Anemia



* Premature Osteoporosis
* Impaired Immune System
* Impaired Kidney Function
* Impaired Iron Absorption
* Digestive Problems

Aluminum is particularly dangerous to the nervous system, with symptoms including:

* Mental Confusion
* Headaches
* Memory Loss
* Nervousness
* Heartburn



* Emotional Instability
* Disturbed Sleep
* Impaired Intellect
* Loss of Coordination
* Flatulence

High levels of aluminum in the body can hinder the body's ability to digest and use up fluoride, phosphorus and calcium, which in turn, prevents bone growth and reduces bone density. In addition, high amounts of aluminum in the body forces calcium out of bones, which results in weakness, bone deformation and crippling effects.""


I'd say that's more than "No risk from aluminum"..

so when someone LIES to you about something this small, openly over-looks any risks, does not admit risks, and LIES saying there's NO RISK.. is the same reason why most people do not TRUST these same people with their health.
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Which dose in what vaccine causes any of that? Hmm?
 
SaveAmericaFightNWO said:
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According to the EPA you'd have to be a 275lb man to absorb "safely" the amount of Mercury in the CHILDREN'S HEP B shot... without permanent brain and organ damage.
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So why isn't every child in the USA that's been given the HepB vaccine suffering from brain damage and organ damage?

Take my daughter, for instance, she's gotten the full course of childhood vaccinations, including Gardasil, and she's doing just fine. She has cousins on the paternal side and maternal side that are on the Autism Spectrum, so clearly she could be vulnerable genetically, yet she has had all the vaccinations and is an Honor Roll student taking Advanced Math classes and playing piano in the Honor Band.
 
Eos of the Eons said:
?? Our own bodies a lot make those "toxins". No animal cells in vaccines, not even humans ones. I'll answer your questions after you answer my first one:

Now, to make this interesting, prove what dosage is toxic to humans for each of the above, and then demonstrate if any are in a toxic dose in vaccines. Then actually prove that thimerosal is in any vaccine on the children's schedule, including MMR. This incessant yabbering is boring. Make it interesting already.

For instance, there is more aluminum in breast milke than vaccines. Babies are born with more aluminum already in their brains even. The miniscule amount in vaccines is oh so, boring and nonconsequential. Why even bother arguing about it?

Do you not understand what a "toxin" is? There is water in vaccines. You don't seem too worried about it. Drink enough water without peeing and you will die. Water can be a toxin too.
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You obviously don't know the meaning of the word, "toxin"

Water does not cause cancer and is not a carcinogen. Funny, water is not listed anywhere on the vaccines ingredients, maybe you're talking about Martian Vaccines? or maybe Pluto?

Come back down to Earth and face reality, you've been LIED to all your life!


No animal cells?? take a look at the ingredients list before you lie again for big-pharma;

cdc gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

bovine (thats cow)
chicken
monkey kidney tissue
human serum

hmm.. are you wrong or what! lol

Prove mercury is in childhood vaccines? easy.. Hep B Shot is one given to newborns straight out of the womb!

by EPA own standards, the child would have to weigh 275lbs to not be damaged permanently by the amount of mercury that is in the vaccine given to a 6-8 pound baby.. you do the math!
 
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