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From where did Cheney get his command authority?

BLAST we managed to cover up the government's planning and execution of the events on 9/11 but we forgot to claim it was BUSH making the orders nooooooooooooooooo our plan :( :( foiled by JREF forums poster bio
 
Ok, so let me get this straight Bio.

I work for a small fire department in Florida. I sometimes act as the LT, when the LT is off, or is working at another station. If I tell MY next in command, the Driver/engineer, to tell the firefighters to do something, who is giving the order? The driver-Engineer? Or Me, the acting LT??

If the Chief tells me to tell someone to do something, am I the one giving the order? Or was it the Chief??

You retarded logic amazes me.
 
triforcharity said:
Ok, so let me get this straight Bio.

I work for a small fire department in Florida. I sometimes act as the LT, when the LT is off, or is working at another station. If I tell MY next in command, the Driver/engineer, to tell the firefighters to do something, who is giving the order? The driver-Engineer? Or Me, the acting LT??

If the Chief tells me to tell someone to do something, am I the one giving the order? Or was it the Chief??

You retarded logic amazes me.
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What is you interpretation, why there is a National Command Authority at all, if the president can act alone without talking with the defense minister.

"The NCA comprises the President of the United States (as commander-in-chief) and the United States Secretary of Defense jointly, unless incapacitated."
source: wikipedia
 
bio said:
you are ten miles out ... ;) do the order still stand?
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It's still a lie to say that 'Vice President Cheney should have ordered the shoot down of Flight 93' according to 'the official conspiracy theory'. A second hand account of a request for confirmation of orders from the VP does not carry any implication that the VP originated those orders, as plenty of people have pointed out, and if you're using the conventional English definition of the words 'should have' it doesn't imply that he was under any obligation to originate those orders either. However, please feel free to continue with your argument; you're scattering the straw quite nicely so far.

Dave
 
bio said:
What is you interpretation, why there is a National Command Authority at all, if the president can act alone without talking with the defense minister. "The NCA comprises the President of the United States (as commander-in-chief) and the United States Secretary of Defense jointly, unless incapacitated."
source: wikipedia
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You seem to have no understanding of how the US government works.


what do you think "commander-in chief" means?
 
tsig said:
You seem to have no understanding of how the US government works.


what do you think "commander-in chief" means?
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Give me a source, that the commander in chief can ...
.... give orders to military commanders without the defense secretary.
.... give an order indirectly (not speaking directly to) to military commanders.

One more time:
When I read in wikipedia under "National Command Authority" then Cheneys commands were against the law.

"The NCA comprises the President of the United States (as commander-in-chief) and the United States Secretary of Defense jointly, unless incapacitated."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Command_Authority
 
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bio said:
Give me a source, that the commander in chief can ...
.... give orders to military commanders without the defense secretary.
.... give an order indirectly (not speaking directly to) to military commanders.

One more time:
When I read in wikipedia under "National Command Authority" then Cheneys commands were against the law.

"The NCA comprises the President of the United States (as commander-in-chief) and the United States Secretary of Defense jointly, unless incapacitated."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Command_Authority
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What part of "Bush authorized Cheney" do you not get?
 
bio said:
Give me a source, that the commander in chief can ...
.... give orders to military commanders without the defense secretary.
.... give an order indirectly (not speaking directly to) to military commanders.

One more time:
When I read in wikipedia under "National Command Authority" then Cheneys commands were against the law.

"The NCA comprises the President of the United States (as commander-in-chief) and the United States Secretary of Defense jointly, unless incapacitated."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Command_Authority
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Cheney as you posted evidence, passed on the Presidents command. You need to read your posts, they say Cheney repeated what the President said.

The President is the commander in chief. Do you understand? Bush was right when he made comedy quotes, he is the "decider".

The SecDef advices the President and carries out his orders; end of story. If the SecDef acts up, the President gets another SecDef. President is "it". There is more to the story but you can't get this right, how will you deal with reality?

BTW, the VP is part of the apparatus if you dig deeper. ... you clearly posted the VP was repeating orders from the President. You answered your own OP, and you provide sources you fail to read and comprehend. Work harder on understanding what you posted and read more.
 
"The chain of command runs from the President to the United States Secretary of Defense to the combatant commanders of the Unified Combatant Commands. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff may transmit communications to the Commanders of the Unified Combatant Commands from the President and Secretary of Defense, but does not exercise military command over any combatant forces."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander_in_chief#United_States

The President jointly with the secretary of defense can transit commands to the military. There is no other way.
 
bio said:
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The President jointly with the secretary of defense can transit commands to the military. There is no other way.
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Do they have to speak in unison? That would be easier if the orders where written in rhymes, or sung.
 
bio said:
"The chain of command runs from the President to the United States Secretary of Defense to the combatant commanders of the Unified Combatant Commands. The Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff may transmit communications to the Commanders of the Unified Combatant Commands from the President and Secretary of Defense, but does not exercise military command over any combatant forces."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commander_in_chief#United_States

The President jointly with the secretary of defense can transit commands to the military. There is no other way.
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So it was Bush who was wrong?
 
bio said:
The question for me is, why the commanders listened to Cheney.
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Some commanders started doint things (like scrambling Otis) without waiting to get orders from however high up they were formally needed. Sometimes you just do what's right.
If the VP tells you to defend your country NOW, you don't wait for a duet to be sung by the pres and the secdef. In fact, you don't even need the VP to tell you.

Oh and by the way: Possibly no one, not even the president, had the authority to order the shoot-down of a domestic civilian airliner. Good thing is, none was shot down.
 
bio said:
The question for me is, why the commanders listened to Cheney.
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DGM said:
Because he was talking? Did they do anything based on their "listening"?
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Cool; they heard Cheney repeat orders from the President.

When the President executed Desert Storm, my fellow staff officers passed on the order from the President, like Cheney did, to our crews.
 
beachnut said:
Cool; they heard Cheney repeat orders from the President.

When the President executed Desert Storm, my fellow staff officers passed on the order from the President, like Cheney did, to our crews.
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Was the VP in your / their chain of command?

I think that is the question here. Each military person has exactly one immediate superior, right? That superior has an immediate superior. And finally, there are one or more persons whose immediate superior is the President. Correct? The president was not your immediate superior, rather, his order that resulted in you storming out to Iraq was relayed to you through a chain of immediate superiors that originated in the President.

Not the Vice President.

So the question is. Is the Vice President anybody's only immediate superior?
Or is he in fact not part of any chain of command, as long as the president is not incapacitated?
 
Oystein said:
Was the VP in your / their chain of command?

I think that is the question here. Each military person has exactly one immediate superior, right? That superior has an immediate superior. And finally, there are one or more persons whose immediate superior is the President. Correct? The president was not your immediate superior, rather, his order that resulted in you storming out to Iraq was relayed to you through a chain of immediate superiors that originated in the President.

Not the Vice President.

So the question is. Is the Vice President anybody's only immediate superior?
Or is he in fact not part of any chain of command, as long as the president is not incapacitated?
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Explain to me why the VP can not pass on the command from the President to shoot down aircraft if needed on 911 to those who can pass it on in an emergency?

Explain to me why I can't take action without orders based on my commission to defend the United States.

Then explain how Passengers on Flight 93 can take action against terrorist without a Presidential order or any chain of command.


Why can't the VP in an emergency tell the guys sitting around some command post in the "dark" the President has authorized what Passengers on Flight 93 figured out all by themselves without a "chain of command".

There is no question here, there is bio delusions of the fourth order.

bio posted Cheney passed on the President's order - there is no question because he answered the dumb question in his OP.

Even if really Cheney got the orders directly from Bush by a telephone call, was it rightfully to change the chain of command?
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This does not change the chain of command, it is called Communication. Communication. bio answers his OP with the OP because he can't fathom communication or some comprehension problem...


Did the President tell the VP not to tell anyone of the order? Why is 911 truth so dense?

From where did Cheney get his command authority?
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The President, it is called delegation, and communication.
 
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