dudalb
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From where did Cheney get his command authority?
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DGM
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And what part of this actually came to reality? Cheney talk to the president concerning the possibility of a shoot down. What's your point? Where is the conflict with the chain of command?Why I need to inform you about the official theory?
http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a956bushcheneyphone#a956bushcheneyphone
Strangly according to the 9/11 Commission the ...
...“president apparently spoke to Secretary Rumsfeld for the first time… shortly after 10:00.” and ... “No one can recall the content of this conversation, but it was a brief call in which the subject of shootdown authority was not discussed” (see (10:00 a.m.-10:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001). According to the Commission, furthermore, the phone call between Bush and Cheney where the president gives the shootdown authorization is not until 10:18
9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 41 and 43
Why was the shoot-down command going over Cheney and not over Rumsfeld?
Rumsfeld will indicate he first learns that shootdown authorization has been given from Cheney rather than Bush, telling the 9/11 Commission that the vice president “informed me of the president’s authorization to shoot down hostile aircraft” over the air threat conference call.
9/11 Commission, 3/23/2004
...“president apparently spoke to Secretary Rumsfeld for the first time… shortly after 10:00.” and ... “No one can recall the content of this conversation, but it was a brief call in which the subject of shootdown authority was not discussed” (see (10:00 a.m.-10:30 a.m.) September 11, 2001). According to the Commission, furthermore, the phone call between Bush and Cheney where the president gives the shootdown authorization is not until 10:18
9/11 Commission, 7/24/2004, pp. 41 and 43
Why was the shoot-down command going over Cheney and not over Rumsfeld?
Rumsfeld will indicate he first learns that shootdown authorization has been given from Cheney rather than Bush, telling the 9/11 Commission that the vice president “informed me of the president’s authorization to shoot down hostile aircraft” over the air threat conference call.
9/11 Commission, 3/23/2004
CurtC
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I'm not sure I understand your issue. Bush had just talked to Cheney and given the authorization to shoot down. Cheney communicated it to the Defense Department.
Are you saying that Bush should have told Rumsfeld directly instead of going through Cheney first? If that's what you're saying, why do you feel that way? What was the difference? The order came from the Commander in Chief either way.
The VP didn't give any commands - the President did.
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I can't believe it...
Who authorized the Passengers on Flight 93 to attack the terrorists? Who has the dumbest questions about 911?
This reminds me of the super stars of the moronic truth movement.
..., Cheney informs Rumsfeld the president authorized a shoot down. This answers the OP!
I don't understand why bio has answered his own question in his own post but fails to understand (but I do).
Who authorized the Passengers on Flight 93 to attack the terrorists? Who has the dumbest questions about 911?
This reminds me of the super stars of the moronic truth movement.
The National Command Authority does not know this "loop". It is very straight forward.
CurtC
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So what we got is the upper command figures (we all know who) were in communication trying to decide what the best course of response should be. And this is what bio is questioning?
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1. Cheney was a mailman running an errand in this scenario.
2. Special circumstances sometimes require special measures.
3. For all truthers: If the US government, if Cheney, was involved in the attacks, the easiest way for Cheney to "let it happen on purpose" would have been to NOT relay presidential decisions to the chain of command, pleading his own insignificance
4. A brave man, faced with a grave emergency, might do something that he knows to be formally illegal, and be willing to face the consequences afterwards (impeachment, court martial, indictment). It would take a cowardly man to not do what is necessary just because he does not have formal authority
5. Cheney is a dick anyway.
2. Special circumstances sometimes require special measures.
3. For all truthers: If the US government, if Cheney, was involved in the attacks, the easiest way for Cheney to "let it happen on purpose" would have been to NOT relay presidential decisions to the chain of command, pleading his own insignificance
4. A brave man, faced with a grave emergency, might do something that he knows to be formally illegal, and be willing to face the consequences afterwards (impeachment, court martial, indictment). It would take a cowardly man to not do what is necessary just because he does not have formal authority
5. Cheney is a dick anyway.
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dudalb
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Jesus, Bio does not understand the basics of the chain of command.
If the Presdient gives an order, it does not matter if he gives it directly to the people who have to do the job, or goes through their commanding officer. The order is equally legal.
If the Presdient gives an order, it does not matter if he gives it directly to the people who have to do the job, or goes through their commanding officer. The order is equally legal.
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For what it's worth.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/05/rove-revelations-bush-adviser-opens-katrina-wmds-obama/
-- As the Sept. 11 attacks were being carried out, Rove says Bush gave authorization for the military to shoot down any more hijacked planes in the event that they "could not be controlled." Rove writes that Vice President Cheney posed the question to Bush.
"Almost immediately after we were airborne, Vice President Cheney phoned with a tough decision for Bush to make. The Air Force had scrambled to put up a combat jet patrol over Washington but needed rules of engagement," Rove writes. "What should happen if another plane were hijacked and could not be controlled? Could it be shot down? The president uttered a forceful 'Yes.' Cheney asked again and Bush said, 'You have my authorization.'"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/03/05/rove-revelations-bush-adviser-opens-katrina-wmds-obama/
-- As the Sept. 11 attacks were being carried out, Rove says Bush gave authorization for the military to shoot down any more hijacked planes in the event that they "could not be controlled." Rove writes that Vice President Cheney posed the question to Bush.
"Almost immediately after we were airborne, Vice President Cheney phoned with a tough decision for Bush to make. The Air Force had scrambled to put up a combat jet patrol over Washington but needed rules of engagement," Rove writes. "What should happen if another plane were hijacked and could not be controlled? Could it be shot down? The president uttered a forceful 'Yes.' Cheney asked again and Bush said, 'You have my authorization.'"
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Not all of them. Several hundred managed to land safely.
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Did 77 and 93 already crash when the President took to the air?
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The President took to the air? I thought they stopped all flights. Maybe we should investigate the President for violating the no-fly rule. He must have had inside connections!