BREAKING NEWS: Tripartite 'Proximity' Talks to Resume

[webfusion]

The addition of Texas added to the size of the United States.

So?

 

[Thunder]

The addition of Texas added to the size of the United States.

the people of Texas were made citizens, and given full equality.

not so....for the areas of the West Bank annexed to Jerusalem.

 

[webfusion]

the people of Texas were made citizens, and given full equality.

not so....for the areas of the West Bank annexed to Jerusalem.

That is simply untrue.

The Arabs of Jerusalem carry Israeli ID's, and when Israel gained full control of Jerusalem in the 1967 Six-Day War, the Arabs in East Jerusalem were offered a chance to become full Israeli citizens in all legal respects. They primarily refused, although East Jerusalem Arabs receive still Israeli social security and heath benefits. They're allowed to vote in local — but not national — elections. They have the freedom to travel throughout Israel without special permits.

 

[WildCat]

They have the freedom to travel throughout Israel without special permits.

Except on Jew-only roads, right?

 

[Thunder]

They're allowed to vote in local — but not national — elections. They have the freedom to travel throughout Israel without special permits.

they can't vote in national elections?? why the **** not???

don't they pay taxes? why do they not have the right to vote for the Knesset?

do you know what they call it when you are a racial minority and do not have full political rights?

 

[WildCat]

they can't vote in national elections?? why the **** not???

don't they pay taxes? why do they not have the right to vote for the Knesset?

do you know what they call it when you are a racial minority and do not have full political rights?

Puerto Rico?

 

[Thunder]

Puerto Rico?

let me know when Israel gives the Palestinians of East Jerusalem a referendum on whether they should become full citizens of Israel, stay with the status-quo, or become part of the West Bank again.

yeah...you just let me know.

 

[WildCat]

let me know when Israel gives the Palestinians of East Jerusalem a referendum on whether they should become full citizens of Israel, stay with the status-quo, or become part of the West Bank again.

yeah...you just let me know.

I love the sound of goalposts moving! Sounds like... victory!

 

[Thunder]

I love the sound of goalposts moving! Sounds like... victory!

every several years, Puerto Rico votes to keep Commonwealth status, become the 51st State, or become an independent country.

let me know when the Palestinians of East Jerusalem are given such an opportunity. until then, your BS analogy is just that....... bull ****.

 

[Thunder]

so it's not surprising they're not willing to speak directly to the dirty Jews.

another amazing strawman...from der Strawman Koenige.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3350467,00.html

A Haifa University survey investigating Arabs and Jews' views on one another reveals disturbing results.

The poll showed that 75 percent of Jewish students believe that Arabs are uneducated people, are uncivilized and are unclean.

 

[mortimer]

every several years, Puerto Rico votes to keep Commonwealth status, become the 51st State, or become an independent country.

let me know when the Palestinians of East Jerusalem are given such an opportunity. until then, your BS analogy is just that....... bull ****.

The analogy is directly related to the post you made. Every single factor you singled out is directly analogous to Puerto Rico. Your inclusion of voting for various political status options in this post is yet another move of the goal posts.

 

[Thunder]

The analogy is directly related to the post you made. Every single factor you singled out is directly analogous to Puerto Rico. Your inclusion of voting for various political status options in this post is yet another move of the goal posts.

Puerto Ricans have the right to decide their fate..on a pretty regular basis.

Palestinians in East Jerusalem do not have such right.

Therefore, the analogy is bull ****.

 

[webfusion]

Palestinians of Jerusalem

Palestinians in East Jerusalem do not have such right ((to decide their fate..on a pretty regular basis.))

Therefore, the analogy is bull ****.

Incredibly enough, the facts of the situation do not really support your claim.

Only a miniscule percentage vote in the municipal elections. Most refuse to, on the grounds that it would be tantamount to recognizing Israeli sovereignity. .... The PLO/PA Boycott of the Democratic Process in Jerusalem is an ongoing tactic to de-legitimize the de-jure control Israel has there.

Going back to the last time elections were held in the Palestinian National Authority
--- 2006 ---
Associated Press:
RAMALLAH, West Bank — The Israeli Cabinet on Sunday (January 15, 2006) unanimously approved voting by those living in east Jerusalem for Palestinian parliamentary elections.

 

[Thunder]

Incredibly enough, the facts of the situation do not really support your claim.

Israel controls and rules East Jerusalem. The Knesset rules this city. Not giving the Palestinians the right to vote in Knesset elections is nothing less than Apartheid.

 

[webfusion]

The Palestinians of Jerusalem want to disassociate from Israel, and prefer to boycott elections held by Israel, and not declare themselves "Israelis" ---- so, your suggestion that they would WANT to vote for Knesset (thereby providing legitimacy for that body) is not supported by the facts.

 

[Thunder]

The Palestinians of Jerusalem want to disassociate from Israel, and prefer to boycott elections held by Israel, and not declare themselves "Israelis" ---- so, your suggestion that they would WANT to vote for Knesset (thereby providing legitimacy for that body) is not supported by the facts.

anyone who pays taxes to Israel and who lives under Israeli sovereignty, should have full political rights. how they choose to enact these rights..is their business. anything less is Apartheid.

 

[webfusion]

They do have full political rights -- they can vote for their own Fate, within the Palestinian National Authority which organizes their Representative Parliament.

It seems strange that you want to FORCE them to do something that they themselves have no interest in.

 

[bigjelmapro]

Don't proximity talks have to take place within the same building, or at the very least, the same city? Shuttling between Ramallah and J'lem is a bit hectic....

And Web, no need to argue with Parky. He has a warped sense of reality and will continuously put you on the defensive. He's failed utterly in every thread he's posted in so here he is again in another thread spurting off the same failed arguments.

 

[webfusion]

Don't proximity talks have to take place within the same building, or at the very least, the same city? Shuttling between Ramallah and J'lem is a bit hectic....

I wondered about that myself.
You would think that all three negotiating teams would check into a nice resort hotel somewhere (in a neutral location, like Aqaba) and have the USA team be the go-between and mediators.

The current method is too vague and loose.
It isn't sustainable for four months, especially since it is understood in advance that there will be complaints of "new violations" by one side or the other that will invariably cause the talks to be suspended, leaving everyone back on square one.

 

[mortimer]

Puerto Ricans have the right to decide their fate..on a pretty regular basis.

Palestinians in East Jerusalem do not have such right.

Therefore, the analogy is bull ****.

Of course they can vote, just not in Israeli elections.

Just like Puerto Ricans can vote, just not in United States elections.