The war against porn

Skeptic said:
I just wish people would make up their mind. Is porn and prostitution evil exploitation of women, or a case of free choice liberation and fight against the restrictive rules of society? What is it this week?
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Umm, neither?

Plus, what happened to the idea that each person has his/her own ideas on the topic? Or maybe I've just been away from the Borg collective for too long ;)
 
Toke said:
I agree, Kink.com gives the clear impression that they are finding models who are really into it. Max is doing his best to hide it, although marrying one of his models suggest that he is not as offensive off camera. :)
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Maybe
That does sound like a bad practice.
The amount of paperwork required to legally tape and distribute porn means that the sleazy and abusive practices depicted in e.g. bang-bus is not possible in professional porn. They are just acting/faking it.
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He portrays an image of being sleazy, and he can be pretty sleazy in real life and get away with it as well. I don't know for a fact that he is, but that sleaze is a major turn off.
 
He portrays an image of being sleazy, and he can be pretty sleazy in real life and get away with it as well. I don't know for a fact that he is, but that sleaze is a major turn off.
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Yes, we can agree that his style in porn is a turn off and offensive, but he does have customers for it.
I find his sentence a victory of moral crusaders over justice, and a dangerous precedence.
 
SkeptiChick said:
Already countered by someone else in the thread...


Excuse me? You need to go read some of the other threads there have been on pornography here. None of the above is even remotely accurate as a general statement about the porn industry. And it's an extremely insulting characterization of those of us who have actually done porn. You might consider not painting with such a broad brush (the one above happens to be about as broad as a barn) in future.
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Sorry. I apologize. I think that probably applies to some people in the business, but not all. It certainly wasn't directed at you as I wasn't even aware that we have a real porn star here. I think that's totally awesome actually.
 
Toke said:
Yes, we can agree that his style in porn is a turn off and offensive, but he does have customers for it.
I find his sentence a victory of moral crusaders over justice, and a dangerous precedence.
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I am not saying I agree with what he got convicted over. I don't think the content that he was convicted for showing should be obscenity, but that doesn't mean I think he isn't a scumbag(and surprisingly scumbags do get married).
 
Well, you're free to think whatever you wish, of course, but it seems to me like a strange extrapolation once you even admitted that you don't know.

Lots of people choose their screen persona or market they catter for, or have it chosen for them, based basically on what works or what seems to be the low hanging fruit.

The lead vocals and composer of The Cure for example has an on-stage persona of someone deranged and depressive, and writes songs to match, but IRL he's not actually either. He's just milking a certain teenager market by selling them what they want to buy.

Alice Cooper has an on-stage persona of basically a raving lunatic, but if I'm to trust Randi who worked back stage with him, he's actually nothing like that off stage. Again he's just doing a choreographed show for the market segment that is into that kind of show.

Christopher Lee has been typecast into evil or creepy roles, but IRL he really is neither. It's just what his fans have come to expect to see him playing.

Queen's Freddie Mercury sang about fat bottomed girls making his world go round, and he was gay. Those girls didn't actually make anything go round or any other shape for him ;)

Or to return to porn, there are a few women directors who depict women in demeaning situations, including for example Bridgette Kerkove who IIRC made a couple of movies in which she's getting anal gang raped. Probably _the_ nightmare scenario for most women out there, a lot more so than getting pissed on by Max. Heck, IIRC at least one where she's a schoolgirl getting gang raped, and that would probably make quite a few parents of both genders cringe. It doesn't really mean they have that low self-esteem and opinion about being a woman, but more likely reflects what they think about their male viewers' fantasies.

You just can't extrapolate from someone's over-the-top screen persona to their RL persona.
 
HansMustermann said:
Well, you're free to think whatever you wish, of course, but it seems to me like a strange extrapolation once you even admitted that you don't know.
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Not at all, people form impressions based on what they observe and see. This happens all the time and everyone does it. Further evidence will cause me to refine my opinion of him, but getting further evidence is unlikely.
 
But the point is that you haven't observed him offstage and how he interacts with those models offstage at all. You've only seen his screen persona. So it's an opinion based on exactly zero data.
 
Being mildly familar with the material from Kink.com (I assure you from an educational standpoint entirely)....It's fairly obvious that the sheer volume of "models" passing through the various venues would indicate something other than coercion or maltreatment is going on.
Although various bluenose types have ranted about these sites, the models themselves often have thier own webpages/blogs....Often talking about having "intense" but enjoyable experiences.
They have been online for quite a long time, and have spawned a number of imitators as well.
 
And there are also the sites that people post voluntarily to...

http://www.reddit.com/r/gonewild/
 
HansMustermann said:
But the point is that you haven't observed him offstage and how he interacts with those models offstage at all. You've only seen his screen persona. So it's an opinion based on exactly zero data.
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No, I have seen him in a documentary that was not anti porn specificaly but looking into the issue of are unnesscary risks being taken in porn. It is not strictly his screen persona. Now sure that could be being manipulative, but it was not some anti porn screed, but it is not hard to make most people look like a jerk if you do it right.
 
Bikewer said:
Being mildly familar with the material from Kink.com (I assure you from an educational standpoint entirely)....It's fairly obvious that the sheer volume of "models" passing through the various venues would indicate something other than coercion or maltreatment is going on.
Although various bluenose types have ranted about these sites, the models themselves often have thier own webpages/blogs....Often talking about having "intense" but enjoyable experiences.
They have been online for quite a long time, and have spawned a number of imitators as well.
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They also have interviews before an after the scenes with their models were they are not in character to the same extent. They seem to be a good model of how a porn studio can be run in a positive fashion. I would be interested in seeing more exit interviews with the models in Max Hardcore movies.
 
Hah. I love it when people think this is actually my real name.
Someday it will, though.... if I get my citizenship.
 
HansMustermann said:
Or to return to porn, there are a few women directors who depict women in demeaning situations, including for example Bridgette Kerkove who IIRC made a couple of movies in which she's getting anal gang raped. Probably _the_ nightmare scenario for most women out there, a lot more so than getting pissed on by Max. Heck, IIRC at least one where she's a schoolgirl getting gang raped, and that would probably make quite a few parents of both genders cringe. It doesn't really mean they have that low self-esteem and opinion about being a woman, but more likely reflects what they think about their male viewers' fantasies.

You just can't extrapolate from someone's over-the-top screen persona to their RL persona.
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I once saw a video in which a female reporter was in Tora Bora. She was quickly captured by Osama bin Laden who, along with someone I assume was supposed to be Zawahiri, repeatedly anally-raped her while spitting in her face. This appeared to be of American production (at least the "reporter" had a stereotypical California girl look to her) FWIW.

I can't even imagine who the intended audience for that would be. But hey, Rule 34 I guess.

MontagK505 said:
True, a lot of people in the religion racket turn out to be scummy sleaze balls.
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For those not drinking the Kool-Aid, they already seem that way.
 
Polaris said:
I once saw a video in which a female reporter was in Tora Bora. She was quickly captured by Osama bin Laden who, along with someone I assume was supposed to be Zawahiri, repeatedly anally-raped her while spitting in her face. This appeared to be of American production (at least the "reporter" had a stereotypical California girl look to her) FWIW.

I can't even imagine who the intended audience for that would be. But hey, Rule 34 I guess.
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That's the worst you have seen? If so, consider yourself lucky.

I think the Rule of Internet Porn can be said to be the following: anything that is possible to make into porn will be made into porn.

Also, a corollary: re-imagine what is possible to make into porn.
 
barrymore said:
That's the worst you have seen? If so, consider yourself lucky.

I think the Rule of Internet Porn can be said to be the following: anything that is possible to make into porn will be made into porn.

Also, a corollary: re-imagine what is possible to make into porn.
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Did I say that? By no means was that the worst I've ever seen. The first, second and third places in that category go to the Japanese.

I was merely pointing out that there is porn out there that involves an American woman being anally-recalibrated by the most notorious terrorist in recent history. It fell under the "downright odd" label in my book.
 
barrymore said:
Join my organization: Friends Against Porn. We FAP every Wednesday at 9p in the basement of the community center.
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You could merge with "Fighting All Pornographers" , "Fining Adult Promotions" and "Society Quashing Undesirable Interest Regarding Titties" and then your meetings would end satisfactorily
 
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