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Love the Christian, but not the Christianity.

thaiboxerken

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I think many, if not most, Americans have heard the slogan "love the sinner, but not the sin" from the anti-homosexual agenda in the Christian Church. Well, I wonder how Christians would feel about the slogan I just came up with in the title. I think it's directly comparable and makes the point. To tell people that homosexuality is a sin, but we love the homosexuals is akin to telling people that what they do is evil, or criminal, but we still like you.

Thoughts?
 
Let me elaborate. When Christians say "love the sinner, hate the sin" what I hear is "what you're going is criminal, but I sill love you."
 
Complete idiots can be absolutely adorable now and then, and so can the willfully ignorant. I concur with your slogan, although I am not a homosexual, and don't have that particular baggage.
 
So "Love the Christian, but not the Christ"?

Just one example of why you know nothing about Christianity and Jesus Christ.



"Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them.

Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst,

they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act.

Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?"

This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.

So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."

And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.

Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, "Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?"

She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more."

Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."

John 8:2-12
 
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How about this, 154? If I decided to love you as a person, but hate that you're a Chrisitian, how would you feel?

Also, do you buy into the edict of "love the homosexual, but not the homosexuality?"
 
How about this, 154? If I decided to love you as a person, but hate that you're a Chrisitian, how would you feel?
If you first act as a fine and decent person to me and others, I don't care what you believe about my beliefs, but I would feel sad that you would "hate" incarnate Good.

Also, do you buy into the edict of "love the homosexual, but not the homosexuality?"
What's the problem? So would you have that Christians "love" homosexuality or, since everyone says they do anyway, would you rather that they actually hate homosexuals?

Try something new for a change. Challenge yourself. Dare yourself.

Read Jesus Christ.
 
So "Love the Christian, but not the Christ"?

Just one example of why you know nothing about Christianity and Jesus Christ.

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The irony... it burns!

If you were honest, you'd stop pretending that you know "the Christ" any more than you know Harry Potter
 
So would you have that Christians "love" homosexuality ?

Not at all. I would be happy if you were simply indifferent to it. God condemns idolators and blasphemers in much harsher terms than He criticizes homosexuals, but no Christian Americans feel the need to pass laws against idolatry and blasphemy. Why not put homosexuality in the same category?
 
If you first act as a fine and decent person to me and others, I don't care what you believe about my beliefs, but I would feel sad that you would "hate" incarnate Good.

You lost me.

What's the problem? So would you have that Christians "love" homosexuality or, since everyone says they do anyway, would you rather that they actually hate homosexuals?

I'd like for you to explain to me the difference between "love the homosexual but hate homosexuality" and "love the criminal but hate criminality."
 
So "Love the Christian, but not the Christ"?

Just one example of why you know nothing about Christianity and Jesus Christ.



"Now early in the morning He came again into the temple, and all the people came to Him; and He sat down and taught them.

Then the scribes and Pharisees brought to Him a woman caught in adultery. And when they had set her in the midst,

they said to Him, "Teacher, this woman was caught in adultery, in the very act.

Now Moses, in the law, commanded us that such should be stoned. But what do You say?"

This they said, testing Him, that they might have something of which to accuse Him. But Jesus stooped down and wrote on the ground with His finger, as though He did not hear.

So when they continued asking Him, He raised Himself up and said to them, "He who is without sin among you, let him throw a stone at her first."

And again He stooped down and wrote on the ground.

Then those who heard it, being convicted by their conscience, went out one by one, beginning with the oldest even to the last. And Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

When Jesus had raised Himself up and saw no one but the woman, He said to her, "Woman, where are those accusers of yours? Has no one condemned you?"

She said, "No one, Lord." And Jesus said to her, "Neither do I condemn you; go and sin no more."

Then Jesus spoke to them again, saying, "I am the light of the world. He who follows Me shall not walk in darkness, but have the light of life."

John 8:2-12

What is it that every Christian starts with the 'you just don't know'?


How about love the Christian, but not the religion.

Christianity and its many sects is in no way in the same as it was meant to be when Jesus was first teaching.

So much has been mistranslated and twisted for ideology.
 
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154, I want you to know that I love you. I'm so sad that you have dedicated your life to something so evil and dangerous, but I need you to know that I don't hold it against you. If only you would just turn from the path you've been following, and come into the light. I'm sure you're doing it for reasons that make sense to you right now, but soon you'll come to see the light of Reason and Science, and you'll see how much better off you really are without the evil influences on your life.

I'm telling you this because I don't want you to suffer in ignorance. No-one needs that. Follow me, 154 - I want you to be free! Don't you want to be free?
 
Most of the people in my life that I love are Xtian. I can't stand their religion but I love them.


Agreed.

Fortunately, this only means that we love some xians, not that we must love them all.

Many xians are not loveable critters.

But xianity - hate xianity.
 
What is it that every Christian starts with the 'you just don't know'?
You just --- whoa, had to catch myself, since every Christian does that, ya know. :rolleyes:
How about love the Christian, but not the religion.
Seems a reasonable approach, if you don't care for somebody's religion.

I know Christians who feel that way about each other, when friction between sects ramps up ...

Props to the OP for a reasonable approach when dealing with people with whom you disagree.

DR
 
Not at all. I would be happy if you were simply indifferent to it. God condemns idolators and blasphemers in much harsher terms than He criticizes homosexuals, but no Christian Americans feel the need to pass laws against idolatry and blasphemy. Why not put homosexuality in the same category?

Or what's more, I would have them stop expecting people who are not members of their religion to follow their religious rules. I would have them not seek a theocratic government in which laws exist which compell non Christians to follow Christian religious rules.

I don't see Jews trying to illegalize pork for everyone. I have never had a Jew suggest to me that I should not eat pork because it is against their religious rules.

For that matter, as you said, I would not have Christians self appoint themselves as being divine enough to know WHICH of the biblical rules should be enforced...so that homosexuality is targetted, but not blaspheming, despite blasphemy being far more mentioned in the Bible than homosexuality.
 
If you first act as a fine and decent person to me and others, I don't care what you believe about my beliefs, but I would feel sad that you would "hate" incarnate Good.

What's the problem? So would you have that Christians "love" homosexuality or, since everyone says they do anyway, would you rather that they actually hate homosexuals?

Try something new for a change. Challenge yourself. Dare yourself.

Read Jesus Christ.


Ever live in the deep south in a very religious community and have a gay friend or loved one (I have)? I assure you, in many areas of this country, homosexuals themselves are hated and are made well aware of this fact.

It is cute though that you think gay kids in Mississippi are being told by most conservative Christians, "I do not judge you, because I myself have sinned, and know that only he who has not sinned has the right to throw stones," though.
 
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