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The Official UK Election Thread! 6th May it is!

Yes, sorry. If Labour came in second in number of seats, and the Tories didn't get the straight majority they need, then GB still gets first go to try to form some sort of working coalition.

As the man said, we elect parliaments, not governments.

Seeing as this is probably the most likely election result, it seems pretty surprising that i haven't seen any discussion about this eventuality in the media at all....

let's say Tories get 300, labour 240 and lib dems 80. Labour go to Cleggy to form a government, Cleggy says ok, as long as you ditch brown, labour put in Milliband as a temporary leader proir to a leadership election, and bob's your uncle....

The right wing press might explode in apoplexy....which would be a bonus :)
 
I don't know if C4 News is available on the net, but the discussion was at the end and very interesting. Basically, in any event where there is no party with the required majority it all comes down to the incumbent PM to sort things out.

As far as him stepping down and A.N. Other from his party taking over, GB would still be responsible for making sure this would be viable and informing the Queen.
 
I don't know if C4 News is available on the net, but the discussion was at the end and very interesting. Basically, in any event where there is no party with the required majority it all comes down to the incumbent PM to sort things out.

As far as him stepping down and A.N. Other from his party taking over, GB would still be responsible for making sure this would be viable and informing the Queen.

Just googled the BBC page on it:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/8659878.stm

We have a strange old political system :)

I would have thought that a "progressive" alliance of the lib dems and labour would be the most viable as long as the conservatives don't get more than about 300-305 seats. Clegg gets a commitment for PR change and a change of leader, labour get to remain in the driving seat - maybe with Vince as Chancellor - it would seem to be pretty much the best of a bad lot.
 
There has been quite a lot of discussion of this on radio 4 today and yesterday

I am not sure how likely it is though: folk are being cagey about how they will vote
 
There has been quite a lot of discussion of this on radio 4 today and yesterday

I am not sure how likely it is though: folk are being cagey about how they will vote

I've got a sneaky feeling that the conservatives are going to get a small majority or get within a whisker of one....close enough to get there with minimal horse trading with the NI unionist parties. They've poured millions into marginals - and i think the right wing press have probably done enough to puncture Clegg's bubble. We shall see....
 
I've got a sneaky feeling that the conservatives are going to get a small majority or get within a whisker of one....We shall see....

It's easy to forget that there's a whole generation who've known nothing but Labour in power, much as mine had the Tories, and for whom the name Thatcher means nothing. This will be Cameron's trump card.

To an extent is was the same situation in reverse in 1997. I was 25 and for all my politically aware life I had only known the Conservatives. Any negative connotations surrounding the name Labour weren't that vivid in my mind. (Although I do remember the power cuts of the late '70s). Similarly, the miner's strike, public ownership of gas, water, electric and telecoms and the notion that we were once a major manufacturing nation, today are like ancient myths.
 
This reminds me a lot of 1992. The experience that drove me into the arms of the SNP, by the way.

It was widely expected to be a hung parliament, so much so that the headline of the Sun the following morning read "it's hung!" They'd taken a flier when they went to press on Thursday evening. I was desperate to get rid of the Tories, for obvious reasons and also because Labour had been promising that Scottish parliament we should have had in 1979. I was stuck in Sussex, having voted by post earlier.

I'd gone to Southampton to buy a second-hand Betamax VCR which wasn't as cheap as it should have been (but is still functioning), and I listened to the commentary as I drove home. Even the exit polls were firmly in hung parliament territory. Then, soon after I got back, Davis Amess was declared in Basildon. That was not supposed to happen.

I telephoned a friend who was a Labour activist in Basildon, a Scottish friend who is pro-independence but anti-SNP. She was home, not at the wake, and we stayed on the line virtually all night, as it just got worse and worse. There was a very regular series of revisions in the projected result, in which the Conservative result got steadily better and better until it hit an overall majority of 20 - the level apparently accepted as signalling a government that can go a full term even if it loses some by-elections. And that's what happened. We got another 5 years of Major.

It was held to be the "shy Tory" phenomenon. People who voted Conservative because they thought that would benefit them personally, but who realised Thatcher (and then Major) were unpopular - or at least, that voting Tory was seen as a selfish thing to do. So they didn't confess to the opinion pollsters, and apparently they didn't confess to the exit pollsters either.

I have no idea whether or not the shy Tory still exists. I suppose we'll find out.

After that night, my most vivid memory is seeing footage of David Steel sitting at breakfast in his home in the Borders countryside. He was there, where it mattered, and he certainly wasn't alone. While I was sitting completely isolated in Sussex, chewing the crockery. I vowed then and there that I wasn't going to remain alone like that any more. I ditched my home-made SNP sticker (made from a yellow post-it note) and joined up.

Now I'm sitting in my home in the Borders countryside, with authorisation as a polling agent and a counting agent in my pocket, and the remaining dregs of the leaflets in a bag, having been round almost every house in a three-mile radius. Trying my damndest, by the way, not to get David Steel's daughter elected. I'll go through tomorrow night at the count in Dumfries.

Did I mention happy bunny? A lot happier if the SNP was likely to get its 20 seats, but you can't have everything.

I still have no clue who is going to form the next Westminster government though.

Rolfe.
 
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It was widely expected to be a hung parliament, so much so that the headline of the Sun the following morning read "it's hung!" They'd taken a flier when they went to press on Thursday evening.

I'd like to see the papers get it wrong, something on the order of the famous Titanic headline 'All saved after collision' would be nice, because I don't think 7th May is going to be any cause for cheer.
 
This reminds me a lot of 1992.

Sadly, I remember that all too well.


It was held to be the "shy Tory" phenomenon. People who voted Conservative because they thought that would benefit them personally, but who realised Thatcher (and then Major) were unpopular - or at least, that voting Tory was seen as a selfish thing to do. So they didn't confess to the opinion pollsters, and apparently they didn't confess to the exit pollsters either.

I have no idea whether or not the shy Tory still exists. I suppose we'll find out.

I wonder if it wasn't so much 'shy Tory' as 'shy government supporter', since it was the government as a whole that was unpopular. Maybe we shall see this time which of these is correct, should GB scrape back in?
 
When was the last power cut? I remember lighting the candles when we lived in a certain house and we were out of there by 1974.

Looks like you are right. That's weird, I clearly remember the candles, the hiss of the gas camping lantern, etc. and thought it was later because of the clarity. I can only have been about three. :jaw-dropp
 
Holy ****, apparantly Nick Clegg speaks perfect Dutch.

Blown away here.
 
And they're off...

Oi, you, go and vote! Go on, get off your arse and vote!

If you're not entitled to vote in the UK general election, then what the heck are you doing in this thread? Bugger off!
 
Let's get it on..... will be doing my bit for democracy in a few minutes time and putting my 'x' in whatever box god/satan/spirit of dead relatives guides me to.

Just don't blame me if the other lot get in.
 

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