Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[six7s]

DOC, for an A-grade student of logic, you sure do FAIL a lot... Did you cheat? Or was it a ridiculously easy course? Or is this merely another instance of lying in your continuing - yet vain - quest to distort reality?

You imply that I stated that Hawking claimed...

Even a C-grade student would know the difference between imply and infer

Oh, yeah... as per usual, you have overlooked yet another simple, straightforward request

To save you the effort of scrolling back, here it is again:

So then when Steven Hawkings says the existence of aliens is almost a certainty and rational to believe that has no affect on your belief in aliens.

Please provide a citation of Hawking (spell the man's name right, for dog's sake) saying that.

TYIA

 

[Mister Agenda]

I believe the Science Channel recently ran a show on Hawking's thoughts about alien life. It will probably repeat, if not it is probably on Hulu.

 

[kmortis]

I believe the Science Channel recently ran a show on Hawking's thoughts about alien life. It will probably repeat, if not it is probably on Hulu.

A quick trip down Google Ln provided me with...

Hawking’s logic on aliens is, for him, unusually simple. The universe, he points out, has 100 billion galaxies, each containing hundreds of millions of stars. In such a big place, Earth is unlikely to be the only planet where life has evolved.

Pretty much what Sagan said years ago. And, the article continues with...

He concludes that trying to make contact with alien races is “a little too risky”. He said: “If aliens ever visit us, I think the outcome would be much as when Christopher Columbus first landed in America, which didn’t turn out very well for the Native Americans.”

Earth shattering stuff, really. A Really Smart Person putting forth Common Sense Ideas that reflect a General Understanding of History. Wow. Just wow.


ETA: I'd like to point out though that Dr. Hawking doesn't say that there ARE aliens and they WILL invade us, just that there's a really high probability and it probably wouldn't turn out for the for us if they were to visit. This is way different from DOC Authority #57 claiming that the NT is ABSOLUTELY true because the Authority sayd so, so there...nyeh! Dr. Hawking uses reason to make a rational claim that, while not backed with direct evidence; has a certain amount of circumstantial evidence to bolster it. Since it's not a direct claim, that's not a big to do. DOC & Co., OTOH, are making a direct claim (that the NT authors told the truth) yet provide no direct evidence for it, just a bunch of fluff and stuffing.

 

[joobz]

People should let my posts say what I am saying rather then making a strawman interpretation.

I said what I said, and it is not what you stated.

I interpreted it the same way as Zooketerin stated.

 

[joobz]

ETA. And actually I should have said how much one values "the statements" (not opinions) of the president of India. Because if she really believed what she said it is not an opinion but a statement of fact to her.

One is entitled to their own sets of opinions. Not to their own facts. \

 

[paximperium]

Actually, what he said was more akin to the "if you're willing to die for your beliefs, that proves they're true" meme (read the highlighted section above): if you really, really, really, really believe what you say, that makes it a fact (to you.) Never mind that how much you believe something has no power to affect reality. I could really, really, really, really believe that my house is an interstellar vehicle that I can use to travel the universe while still enjoying all the comforts of home, but that won't make my opinion (however dogmatically stated) align with reality.

Ahh..that makes sense.

DOC,
I apologize for mistaking your idiotic statement for another similarly idiotic statement. While you make so many and it tends to all blend together into a large mess of delusional incoherence and stupidity, I should read your nonsense more carefully so that I won't make the same mistakes that you do on a regular basis.

 

[joobz]

Anything to oblige.

1. You stated that you had taken a logic course.

2. You've made 1800+ posts in this thread. Those posts make a mockery of logic, as has been repeatedly pointed out to you.
....a. Your constant fallacy of Appeal to Authority
....b. Your constant referral to your number of posts in this thread
....c. Your perpetual circular arguments of using the Bible to prove the Bible is true
....d. Your repeated red herrings
....e. The fallacy of special pleading
....f. The fallacy of appeal to popularity
....g. Your own personal strawmen
....h. The fallacy of false dilemma

3. I expressed the hope that you qualified for a refund of whatever money you paid for the above logic course since you have shown hundreds, literally hundreds, of times that you have no concept of what logic is.

Would you agree or disagree with the above assessment?


ETA: I had even posted a specific example showing a particularly illogical post of yours as evidence that you are deserving of your money back and a logic course was a total waste of time and money for you. Don't you feel that your "Explain?" is a bit disengenuous?

Thank you for your opinion.

it seems you are still unable to tell the difference between fact and opinion.
Let me help

1. You stated that you had taken a logic course.

This is fact. You did make this claim.

2. You've made 1800+ posts in this thread. Those posts make a mockery of logic, as has been repeatedly pointed out to you.
....a. Your constant fallacy of Appeal to Authority
....b. Your constant referral to your number of posts in this thread
....c. Your perpetual circular arguments of using the Bible to prove the Bible is true
....d. Your repeated red herrings
....e. The fallacy of special pleading
....f. The fallacy of appeal to popularity
....g. Your own personal strawmen
....h. The fallacy of false dilemma

Each of these are fact. You have repeatedly made appeals to authority (Sir Ramsay anyone?), you have made references to your post count, you have made red herrings(referencing what presidents may or may not agree with), you have used special pleading (why do christian martyrs count as evidence and not non-christian martyrs?), you have made strawmen and you have used false dilemmas. This is all fact.

3. I expressed the hope that you qualified for a refund of whatever money you paid for the above logic course since you have shown hundreds, literally hundreds, of times that you have no concept of what logic is.

again, this is fact.

As such, nothing in that statement was opinion.

And its my opinion this is just more of attacking the messenger.

Point 2 of that list directly attacked the message. AS such, you are completely wrong.

My posts speak for themselves. That's what's great about this format. Live debates debating tricks don't work in this format because the posts are out there for everyone to read if they want to take the time.

I agree. It is what is great about these threads. People have the opportunity to see what bad arguments and logical fallacies look like. Thank you for providing so many examples.

 

[zooterkin]

You imply that I stated that Hawking claimed that such life has developed insterstellar transport and is visiting the earth -- which would be false.

Now I have a little more time, I was pointing out the difference between your two examples; Obama saying he'd seen an alien at Camp David, and Stephen Hawking saying that it was almost certain that there is life somewhere else in the universe. You seemed to be equating the two, and trying to suggest that both were appeals to authority, when in fact the situations are very different. The first would be a case of eye-witness testimony, but even given the reputation of Obama, without further evidence most people would still be sceptical. That's still different from using Obama's stated opinions about the bible as a support for your position; that really is a fallacious appeal to authority. Hawking's comments on alien life (which I was pointing out is nowhere near the same as the claim you put in Obama's mouth, of seeing an alien) is really just down to mathematics.

If you really had difficulty following that the first time around, then i am reminded of the old saying about having a battle of wits with an unarmed man...

 

[pizzadeliveryninja]

Just dropping in

Thought I'd check and see if everyone's favourite liar for Jesus is still lying. Yes, he is. Still no evidence for the OP. Still the same claims of 'ooh, everyone is attacking me' whilst ignoring substantial posts. Still the same fallacies.

Could someone PM me if DOC ever manages to provide any worthwhile evidence? I'll leave a note in my will with my login details so that any offspring I may have in the future will be able to see the PM. I rather suspect that I will have died of old age before DOC can come up with anything to support his OP.

 

[Akhenaten]

Ahh..that makes sense.

DOC,
I apologize for mistaking your idiotic statement for another similarly idiotic statement. While you make so many and it tends to all blend together into a large mess of delusional incoherence and stupidity, I should read your nonsense more carefully so that I won't make the same mistakes that you do on a regular basis.

Congratulations, pax.

 

[DOC]

No, you said:

Every single other poster in this thread would immediately conclude "Barack Obama has lost his mind" and you would think "the possibility that aliens are on earth has increased." Do you wonder why this is?

So according to you every poster in this thread would think Obama lost his mind seeing something that Hawking states is almost certain to exist??

 

[zooterkin]

So according to you every poster in this thread would think Obama lost his mind seeing something that Hawking states is almost certain to exist??

Once again, DOC, there is a difference between 'life somewhere else in the universe' and 'aliens visiting this planet'.

 

[paximperium]

So according to you every poster in this thread would think Obama lost his mind seeing something that Hawking states is almost certain to exist??

Unless he has evidence then yes. Do you have any to support your long failed OP?

 

[DOC]

Here's one where you use President Obama as the authority figure.

Posted by DOC
So then I would assume it is your position that the black civil rights activists -- the Reverend Martin Luther King, the Reverend Ralph Abernathy, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, and the Reverend Al Sharpton (not to mention President Obama) were wrong to embrace Christianity.

Do you agree or disagree that this is the fallacy of appeal to authority?

Joobz stated he believed Christ condoned slavery (which I disagree with and have explained why in many posts). I simply asked Joobz a question which he didn't answer -- he just said it doesn't matter. One has to wonder why he couldn't just say yes they were wrong if he really believed Christ condoned slavery. I wasn't appealing to anything, I just wanted joobz to be honest and state if he believed they were wrong to embrace Christianity. Why couldn't he just say they were wrong.

 

[paximperium]

Posted by DOC
So then I would assume it is your position that the black civil rights activists -- the Reverend Martin Luther King, the Reverend Ralph Abernathy, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, and the Reverend Al Sharpton (not to mention President Obama) were wrong to embrace Christianity.

Joobz stated he believed Christ condoned slavery (which I disagree with and have explained why in many posts). I simply asked Joobz a question which he didn't answer -- he just said it doesn't matter. One has to wonder why he couldn't just say yes they were wrong if he really believed Christ condoned slavery. I wasn't appealing to anything, I just wanted joobz to be honest and state if he believed they were wrong to embrace Christianity. Why couldn't he just say they were wrong.

Ah, so it was a Red Herring not an Argument from Authority. It's hard to keep all the logical fallacies straight at the rate you fling them around.

 

[Akhenaten]

No, you said:

Every single other poster in this thread would immediately conclude "Barack Obama has lost his mind" and you would think "the possibility that aliens are on earth has increased." Do you wonder why this is?

So according to you every poster in this thread would think Obama lost his mind seeing something that Hawking states is almost certain to exist??

DOC, do you believe that everything we know to exist is observable?

Can you think of anything that is absolutely, positively known to exist and yet will never be observed?

Having thought of such a thing, how would you describe a person who claimed to have seen it.


If you are unable to think of anything which is extant but unobservable, get back to me and I'll give you a hint.

 

[Akhenaten]

Posted by DOC
So then I would assume it is your position that the black civil rights activists -- the Reverend Martin Luther King, the Reverend Ralph Abernathy, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, and the Reverend Al Sharpton (not to mention President Obama) were wrong to embrace Christianity.

Why the constant barrage of irrelevance, DOC?

Where's our evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth?

It's almost like you don't have any.

 

[Akhenaten]

Ah, so it was a Red Herring not an Argument from Authority. It's hard to keep all the logical fallacies straight at the rate you fling them around.

Wanna borrow my fish?

 

[zooterkin]

So then I would assume it is your position that the black civil rights activists -- the Reverend Martin Luther King, the Reverend Ralph Abernathy, the Reverend Jesse Jackson, and the Reverend Al Sharpton (not to mention President Obama) were wrong to embrace Christianity.

What do you mean by 'wrong'? They all clearly reached positions of power and influence, partly as a result of embracing Christianity, and most of them used that power and influence to help achieve some worthwhile aims.

Does that mean that I think that they all believed everything is written in the New Testament? I have no knowledge of their individual beliefs, but I would certainly not be surprised to find that some of them did not believe every word.

Does it mean that I think that there is no evidence to support the supernatural stories in the New Testament, and they would be wrong if they believed those stories to be true? Yes, it does.

 

[zooterkin]

Wanna borrow my fish?

Use it wisely, it has great power. It could destroy this thread...