Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

[Akhenaten]

So it is OK for someone in here to say Carl Sagan would think my NT evidence in post 11054 is nonsense but I can't mention that Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, and George W. Bush doesn't think it is nonsense.

 

[carlitos]

The current president of India believes that she spoke to the spirit of the deceased leader Baba Lekhraj. I guess this means that the writers of the Puramas "told the truth?"

 

[John Jones]

So it is OK for someone in here to say Carl Sagan would think my NT evidence in post 11054 is nonsense but I can't mention that Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, and George W. Bush doesn't think it is nonsense.

HAHAHA! Yes. It is OK.

Do you have any evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth?

 

[DOC]

The current president of India believes that she spoke to the spirit of the deceased leader Baba Lekhraj. I guess this means that the writers of the Puramas "told the truth?"

No, but it increases the probability of it being true depending on how much one values the opinion of the president of India. If Barack Obama went on TV and said he saw an alien at Camp David, that would increase the probability in my mind that aliens exist. If a transient on a street corner told me he saw an alien last night it probably wouldn't increase the probability that aliens exist for me.

 

[carlitos]

Hmm. So if someone you find credible in other areas tells you something far-fetched, you are more likely to believe them vs. a homeless man. At least you are honest. Personally, no matter who it is, if they tell me that they saw an alien, it doesn't change my alien belief-o-meter up a notch unless they show me proof.

So, still using your logic, do you give all religions the same chance of being true, since many credible people believe in them? Mitt Romney strikes me as being very credible, but he's a Mormon. Thoughts?

I mean, Hinduism and Christianity can't both be true, right? Reincarnation is pretty different from eternal life in Heaven / Hell. And Jesus never walked in North America, like the Mormons say, right?

 

[Paulhoff]

No, but it increases the probability of it being true depending on how much one values the opinion of the president of India. If Barack Obama went on TV and said he saw an alien at Camp David, that would increase the probability in my mind that aliens exist. If a transient on a street corner told me he saw an alien last night it probably wouldn't increase the probability that aliens exist for me.

An alien has a much much bigger chance of being than a so-called christain god, a hell of a lot bigger chance.

Paul

 

[six7s]

If Barack Obama went on TV and said he saw an alien at Camp David, that would increase the probability in my mind that aliens exist. If a transient on a street corner told me he saw an alien last night it probably wouldn't increase the probability that aliens exist for me.

So... you didn't read - "slowly, and for comprehension" - carlitos's link to www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/appeal-to-authority...

Please, do read it

It will save a great deal of pointless frustration for all concerned

After you have read it, please do get back to us and let us know if you have any "evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth."

TYIA

 

[DOC]

Hmm. So if someone you find credible in other areas tells you something far-fetched, you are more likely to believe them vs. a homeless man. At least you are honest. Personally, no matter who it is, if they tell me that they saw an alien, it doesn't change my alien belief-o-meter up a notch unless they show me proof.

So then when Steven Hawkings says the existence of aliens is almost a certainty and rational to believe that has no affect on your belief in aliens.

 

[carlitos]

When Stephen Hawking claims to have seen an alien at Camp David or anywhere else, please let me know.

Please pretty please read the "appeal to authority" logical fallacy thing. I made the link really big for you. You are not acquitting yourself well here.

another big link

 

[Paulhoff]

So then when Steven Hawkings says the existence of aliens is almost a certainty and rational to believe that has no affect on your belief in aliens.

Something doesn't become true because of who says it, it becomes true with proof.

Paul

 

[Waterman]

So then when Steven Hawkings says the existence of aliens is almost a certainty and rational to believe that has no affect on your belief in aliens.

If that were the extend of the information present then I would have no change in my opinion on matter, I try to avoid bare appeals to authroity. However is his staments are

Point A
Point B
Point C
Therefore the existence of aliens is almost a certainty

AND I can accept that Point A, B and C are valid

AND that the point logically point to the conclusion

THEN it would have an affect on my belief in the existance of aliens.

But that is not because it was Steven Hawking arguing it was because of the strength of the arguement presented.

This is where you defence of your position has broken down repeatedly. Particularly as it related to my presentation of information regarding Greenleaf's arguement.

 

[joobz]

So then when Steven Hawkings says the existence of aliens is almost a certainty and rational to believe that has no affect on your belief in aliens.

No. But his argument is:
1. given the vastness of the universe, the extreme conditions in which life can be found, it is highly unlikely we are the only life in the universe.

It is this argument which I feel holds sway. The fact that he is one of the most renowned astrophysicists lends credibility to his claim about astronomical statements.

 

[John Jones]

No, but it increases the probability of it being true depending on how much one values the opinion of the president of India. If Barack Obama went on TV and said he saw an alien at Camp David, that would increase the probability in my mind that aliens exist. If a transient on a street corner told me he saw an alien last night it probably wouldn't increase the probability that aliens exist for me.

Uh. No.

That's the Appeal to Authority Fallacy, DOC

If Billy Graham and His Holiness the Pope said they were abducted and anally probed by ET, that's not reliable evidence

 

[John Jones]

So then when Steven Hawkings says the existence of aliens is almost a certainty and rational to believe that has no affect on your belief in aliens.

Please provide a citation of Hawking (spell the man's name right, for dog's sake) saying that. You have been burned before for misquoting and quoting out of context.

DOC, your credibility is not a boomerang. If you throw it away, it isn't coming back.

 

[X]

DOC, your credibility is not a boomerang. If you throw it away, it isn't coming back.

DOC has credulity credibility?

 

[Hokulele]

No, but it increases the probability of it being true depending on how much one values the opinion of the president of India. If Barack Obama went on TV and said he saw an alien at Camp David, that would increase the probability in my mind that aliens exist. If a transient on a street corner told me he saw an alien last night it probably wouldn't increase the probability that aliens exist for me.

So, does this mean you believe that Islam is to be credited for the Enlightenment that is often thought to be the philosophical origin of the principles that inspired our Founding Fathers?

It was Islam – at places like Al-Azhar University – that carried the light of learning through so many centuries, paving the way for Europe's Renaissance and Enlightenment.

Source.

 

[zooterkin]

No, but it increases the probability of it being true depending on how much one values the opinion of the president of India.

Do you actually read what you write? You're saying that your opinion of the person speaking affects the probability of of what they say being true. I don't think that's what you meant to say.

If Barack Obama went on TV and said he saw an alien at Camp David, that would increase the probability in my mind that aliens exist. If a transient on a street corner told me he saw an alien last night it probably wouldn't increase the probability that aliens exist for me.

I do agree that if Obama said that, I would give more credence to him than I would to a 'transient' (whatever that is), but I would still expect more than just his word before I believed ETs were visiting us. What's that got to do with the New Testament being true? Are you saying Barack Obama was there? Because if Obama claims to have seen something himself, then his credibility as an eye-witness is important. If he claims that something written 2000 years ago is true (and I don't know that you've produced a reference showing him claiming that), then his personal credibility is not relevant; we need to know what has convinced him.

So then when Steven Hawkings says the existence of aliens is almost a certainty and rational to believe that has no affect on your belief in aliens.

We have to examine the actual claims here. Stephen Hawking is saying that given the size of the universe, and what we know about how it formed, and many other factors including what we can observe directly and indirectly, it is almost certain that life of some sort exists elsewhere in the universe. That is miles away from claiming that such life has developed insterstellar transport and is visiting the earth.

Hawking (spell the man's name right, for dog's sake)

Hawking is in good company, DOC often misspells his own president's name too.

 

[Mojo]

No, but it increases the probability of it being true depending on how much one values the opinion of the president of India.

Nope. It is evidence of nothing beyond the opinion of the president of India.

 

[Mojo]

We have to examine the actual claims here. Stephen Hawking is saying that given the size of the universe, and what we know about how it formed, and many other factors including what we can observe directly and indirectly, it is almost certain that life of some sort exists elsewhere in the universe. That is miles away from claiming that such life has developed insterstellar transport and is visiting the earth.

And, of course, the fact that something is likely to exist is not evidence that it actually exists. Just that it is likely.

 

[Elizabeth I]

Do you actually read what you write? You're saying that your opinion of the person speaking affects the probability of of what they say being true. I don't think that's what you meant to say.

Sadly, I think that's exactly what he meant to say. He's been saying it almost from the beginning of this thread.