Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

[Bruce Fischer]

The only way for us to tell is by having the defense fund publish their financials. This has to be about the fifth time I've explained this. Bruce suggested the defence fund is tied up in someone's private accounts.

Is that true?

I did not suggest that at all. I was asking who's financials you were asking to see.

You are missing the point completely. This comes up often. I am constantly accused of being a paid employee. Others online hear the same BS. You promote that BS. There are many individuals that have gotten involved because they saw an injustice. You just cannot believe this could be possible. You think that we must be getting paid. We must have direct connections with the family. So somehow this discredits our information.

This is complete BS and you should really stop spreading it.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Why is his weight of any importance? (Most of us here saw the TLC documentary, so I don't think you want to go there about people's guts "to maintain" being that the guy from true justice wasn't so well represented on that front either).

You say the PR campaign pays people to blog and post in comment sections. Fine, I am willing to believe this if you have actual proof of it. If you got the goods, show em.

It's not an issue...why are you making it one? The guy's portly, what can he do? Don't blame him I say.

TJMK? I'm familiar with it.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

This is a great question. I wish we could all likewise refrain from personalisation on this thread.

There are a couple of elements here:

1] The expenses of the PR firm relating to the case.
2] The expenses of FOA relating to the case.

I wouldn't expect #1 to be available. I would expect #2 to be available since they're raising money and obviously spending it on something. There is also the known connections between one blogger in particular and the Knox/Mellas clan. That's the connection that might be verifiable even without cancelled cheques.

But having those cheques would be fantastic and there are posters on this thread who could supply them.[/QUOTE]


Who is the blogger?

Who posts on this forum that could supply the checks?

 

[Alt+F4]

From Amanda and Raffaele's point of view, I think the key was in putting the blood in the bathroom together with all the other clues. It was little enough blood that Amanda didn't notice it when she took her shower, but once she and Raffaele became aware of the break-in and that Meredith was missing, the blood took on new meaning. It WAS an amount of blood that was out of the ordinary, which is what Raffaele reported.

Meredith wasn't missing. At the time Raffaele made the phone call to the police didn't Amanda believe that it was Meredith's regular habit to keep her bedroom door locked? If they were telling the truth there was no reason to even suspect that anything bad had happened to Meredith. The burglar hadn't broken down her door, it was early afternoon (no reason to believe that she had not already gone out) and no reason to suspect foul play just because she didn't answer her phone.

It's too bad that Amanda wasn't given the opportunity to have a separate trial from Raffaele. In my opinion the evidence against him is much stronger than against her. I also think this phone call is very incriminating against him.

 

[shuttlt]

Guys, the tone of this is unproductive. There certainly are some small things to post on the topic of evidence for activities of the PR firm above and beyond organizing comedy nights for a few tens of people. I am not about to provide them since I am a long way from being the best person to argue this, but if somebody (Fulcanelli?) feels like putting a post together outlining the demonstrable facts, that would probably be the way to go. It would be a nice thing to have all the cites collected together on this anyway, if somebody doesn't already. What is demonstrable is probably pretty small beer. Falcunelli, Skeptical Bystander and others do have knowledge of people that goes outside web forums and blogs. Not everything they know to be the case can necessarily be proved.

As for needling Fulcanelli.... paid blogging, sock puppetry etc..... is by definition going to be difficult to prove. I don't think his claims are any more ridiculous, unsupported, or frequently put about than all the stuff about Mignini having a history of accusing people of Satanic crimes.

As for the donations to the fund, didn't they go into one of the family members paypal accounts? I vaguely recall somebody on PMF musing about asking the IRS about it.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

stilicho, why did you ignore this? what are you afraid of?

Stilicho, you try to be sarcastic occasionally and you pass off some false information on PMF from this board but you seam like you are a decent person that believes in what you say.

So why is it that the guy that runs the site that you frequent can run his mouth on this board and you never say a word? Are you afraid of being banned from PMF?

You never disagree with a word he says. Are you an independent mind or a follower?

 

[Fulcanelli]

Im not whining at all. I'm simply pointing out that you run that site and you have posted enough ridiculous comments on here to completely discredit yourself.

A euphamism for whining


So, do you have any data to add? I'm still waiting on your official response to Massei's assessment of the false break-in, and his scenario regarding the footprints. So, what is your deconstruction?

 

[HumanityBlues]

It's too bad that Amanda wasn't given the opportunity to have a separate trial from Raffaele. In my opinion the evidence against him is much stronger than against her. I also think this phone call is very incriminating against him.

Really?? Can you elaborate? I would've thought you'd say the exact opposite. Why do you think the evidence is stronger against Raffaele?

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Incidentally my interest in this case is simple I live in Old Coulsdon and pass where the Kercher family or Mother lives as I travel to and from London; my daughter also studied European Studies but choose French as her foreign language she was excitedly arranging her year abroad when Meredith was murdered, thankfully she spent a year in France and Senegal returned home. I look at the Kercher family and cannot help but think there but for grace of God could go I.

 

[Charlie Wilkes]

Nobody pays me for anything I do in connection with this case. If I can help get these innocent young people out of prison, that will be enough.

Fiona writes:

I think the problem is that nothing is certain in this case.

Circumstantial cases never allow for certainty in a mathematical sense, but this one is as clear as they get. It's just that the evidence points to a theory that is 180 degrees from what the authorities announced to the public on November 6, 2007. So they have done their utmost to suggest that the evidence is less clear than it really is, and they have put an incriminating spin on certain forensic data, like luminol footprints and mixed DNA, that has no plausible connection to the crime.

The evidence shows that a single assailant grabbed Meredith from behind, clapped his left hand over her mouth and gripped her face so tightly his fingers left bruises on her jaw and neck. He threw her to the floor in front of her wardrobe, face down, and stabbed her in the right side of her neck with a knife held in his right hand. She twisted around to try to defend herself, at which point he inflicted a huge cutting wound in the left side of her neck. When she was unconscious or dead, he moved her a few feet to the spot where she was found.

Even Massei was forced to admit that the injuries and the crime scene were consistent with an attack by one person. In the crime scene photos from December 18, you can see numbers next to some of the blood drops. That means they used a well-known methodology to trace those blood drops back to a point of origin. They figured out what happened. But by the time they did, they had invested their reputation in a fable that never made any sense and is wholly inconsistent with the evidence.

Here is a quick overview of what the bloodstains and injuries show:

http://www.friendsofamanda.org/bloodstain_pattern_analysis.html

 

[Fulcanelli]

As for the donations to the fund, didn't they go into one of the family members paypal accounts? I vaguely recall somebody on PMF musing about asking the IRS about it.

Janet Huff's.

 

[Alt+F4]

Nobody pays me for anything I do in connection with this case. If I can help get these innocent young people out of prison, that will be enough.

Fair enough. How do you think what you are doing is acheiving your goal?

 

[Fulcanelli]

Nobody pays me for anything I do in connection with this case. If I can help get these innocent young people out of prison, that will be enough.

Yeah, but who'd pay you...honestly? You do this because you have nothing better to do..you are a serial complainer on the web (google Charlie Wilkes)
You're cheap. Even better, you're free and you need not stake any reputation on it since you have none to lose.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

A euphamism for whining


So, do you have any data to add? I'm still waiting on your official response to Massei's assessment of the false break-in, and his scenario regarding the footprints. So, what is yoir deconstruction?

I have already answered every question about the break-in Go back an read the thread. I will get measurements of the wall on the thread soon. I have been busy. You will see how easy it was for Rudy to climb into Filomena's room.

Massei simply created his own theory. He didn't judge whether or not the prosecution's case was plausible or not, he simply created his own theory. He did this with the knife too.

 

[Fulcanelli]

Incidentally my interest in this case is simple I live in Old Coulsdon and pass where the Kercher family or Mother lives as I travel to and from London; my daughter also studied European Studies but choose French as her foreign language she was excitedly arranging her year abroad when Meredith was murdered, thankfully she spent a year in France and Senegal returned home. I look at the Kercher family and cannot help but think there but for grace of God could go I.

I understand. And while they don't live in the Coulsden area, many have found affinity with this case for the reasons you describe.

 

[Fulcanelli]

I have already answered every question about the break-in Go back an read the thread. I will get measurements of the wall on the thread soon. I have been busy. You will see how easy it was for Rudy to climb into Filomena's room.

Massei simply created his own theory. He didn't judge whether or not the prosecution's case was plausible or not, he simply created his own theory. He did this with the knife too.

That's okay, keep going in circles. We all know you don't have a straight line to follow anyway...that leads to you having to admit you're a sucker. Hubris.

 

[shuttlt]

Janet Huff's.

Thanks. By the way, watching you respond to a bunch of people questioning you all at once suddenly reminded me of one of those chess games where some champion takes on a bunch of opponents all at once. Having said that, other than holding your ground I don't see that much is achieved.

Couldn't we pick some topic, any topic, and work it through?

 

[CoulsdonUK]

Fiona thank you I agree it is late. I am no expert but I thought mobile phones have a 2 way communications with mobile masts they can contact, as such I would have thought an approximate location would have been possible, maybe not.

 

[Alt+F4]

Really?? Can you elaborate? I would've thought you'd say the exact opposite. Why do you think the evidence is stronger against Raffaele?

1. He told the police that nothing was taken from Filomena's room even though there is no way he could have known that....unless he knew that no burglary had taken place.

2. He told the police there was "a lot of blood" even when there was very, very little blood found in the bathroom....there was however a lot of blood in the bedroom, which he knew about.

3. Any DNA evidence against Amanda can be explained by the fact that she had been living in the apartment for almost two months. Raffaele had been there three or four times only.

4. At the time of his phone call to the police there was zero reason to believe that Meredith was missing or harmed due to a burglary.

5. His lie in his prison diary that Meredith's DNA was on the big knife due to his pricking her while at dinner at his apartment.

6. His (or perhaps this bit of fiction just came from his father) that the explaination for his DNA being found on the bra clasp was due to Meredith and Amanda swapping bras.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Thanks. By the way, watching you respond to a bunch of people questioning you all at once suddenly reminded me of one of those chess games where some champion takes on a bunch of opponents all at once. Having said that, other than holding your ground I don't see that much is achieved.

Couldn't we pick some topic, any topic, and work it through?

You honestly think he is holding his ground? He is having a breakdown.

When all else fails just accuse someone who supports Amanda of being sexually attracted to her.

That's exactly what fulcanelli does. He is a child.