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Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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stilicho said:
Or we don't watch as much TV.



Finally, something you've said that I can agree with. AK's family has nothing whatsoever to do with Meredith's slaying. I don't care what they wore to court or even what AK wore to court. She deserves the chance to be able to serve her sentence quietly and hopefully to become rehabilitated into society.

Some people blame her family for all the "noise" surrounding her conviction but this isn't entirely fair. We live in a culture that values this "noise" and there will always be a market for it. The PR campaign--initiated to raise the profile of the case--has really taken on a life of its own. I don't know what can be done about that.
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Am I the only one who thinks the size, depth, and breadth of the PR campaign is greatly overexaggerated. Some people are so paranoid they think the PR campaign pays people to post in comment sections. At some point the claims about the PR campaign seem really absurd. I think someone in this thread even said that "FOA" paid Frank Sfarzo to run a freaking blogspot blog. If these same proponents were a little more realistic and less looney about their PR campaign claims, I'd be more inclined to listen. But at some point it's like the little boy who cried wolf.
 
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Alt+F4 said:
Here's the link to the original phone call in Italian. Thirty-five seconds into the call Raffaele says:

"c'e un mucchio di sangue"

Which I believe translates into, "heaps of blood" or "there is a lot of blood".

http://it.truveo.com/Sollecito-chiama-il-112-telefonata-sottotitolata/id/2792222671

So why didn't Amanda, the Postal Police, Filomena or her friends say anything about a lot of blood? No one reported anything except very small amounts of blood anywhere in the apartment before the bedroom door was opened.
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I work in a small office building. On Friday, I observed three areas of blood on the floor of the ladies' room. They weren't spots, they were more like thick streaks. I did not call the police. When I went back to work yesterday, I noticed the blood was still there. No one had taken it upon themselves to clean it up, probably because it was somebody else's blood.

I used to visit local high schools as part of my job. The amount of blood I saw in those bathrooms would surprise you; it certainly surprised me. Yet the girls who used the restrooms left it there, and presumably did not call the police.

In both of these scenarios, I knew the source of the blood, because I saw them in the bathroom. If they weren't in the bathroom, I would have been alarmed, assuming I noticed.

From Amanda and Raffaele's point of view, I think the key was in putting the blood in the bathroom together with all the other clues. It was little enough blood that Amanda didn't notice it when she took her shower, but once she and Raffaele became aware of the break-in and that Meredith was missing, the blood took on new meaning. It WAS an amount of blood that was out of the ordinary, which is what Raffaele reported.
 
HumanityBlues said:
Am I the only one who thinks the size, depth, and breadth of the PR campaign is greatly overexaggerated. Some people are so paranoid they think the PR campaign pays people to post in comment sections. At some point the claims about the PR campaign seem really absurd. I think someone in this thread even said that "FOA" paid Frank Sfarzo to run a freaking blogspot blog. If these same proponents were a little more realistic and less looney about their PR campaign claims, I'd be more inclined to listen. But at some point it's like the little boy who cried wolf.
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Some of the people are being paid, though. I don't have the time to work through the whole string but there's a good chance that Paul Ciolino is directly paid for his opinion.

I, too, would like to see the cancelled cheques before making up my mind. Is FOA willling to open their books to public scrutiny? We know they're raising money. How is it being accounted?
 
stilicho said:
Some of the people are being paid, though. I don't have the time to work through the whole string but there's a good chance that Paul Ciolino is directly paid for his opinion.

I, too, would like to see the cancelled cheques before making up my mind. Is FOA willling to open their books to public scrutiny? We know they're raising money. How is it being accounted?
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Who do you think Paul Ciolino is paid by? I thought he was paid by 48 hours.
 
HumanityBlues said:
Am I the only one who thinks the size, depth, and breadth of the PR campaign is greatly overexaggerated. Some people are so paranoid they think the PR campaign pays people to post in comment sections. At some point the claims about the PR campaign seem really absurd. I think someone in this thread even said that "FOA" paid Frank Sfarzo to run a freaking blogspot blog. If these same proponents were a little more realistic and less looney about their PR campaign claims, I'd be more inclined to listen. But at some point it's like the little boy who cried wolf.
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No, you are not the only one, HB. The PR campaign is having a much smaller impact on the media than did the forces it is trying to counter -- the original coverage of the case from the prosecution's point of view.

People who oppose the PR campaign need to explain why the PR campaign would be dangerous to the trial.
 
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HumanityBlues said:
And the eye witnesses saw what was in the picture, which looks just like a hickey.
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No, she saw it in the flesh.

And if it's so obviously a hickey in the picture, all the defence needed to do was show the court the picture right? But they didn't. That's because the hickey is only obvious to those who spend their nights instead of solving suduko puzzles, imagining excuses they can make up for the pair..oh, and trolls.

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stilicho said:
Some of the people are being paid, though. I don't have the time to work through the whole string but there's a good chance that Paul Ciolino is directly paid for his opinion.

I, too, would like to see the cancelled cheques before making up my mind. Is FOA willling to open their books to public scrutiny? We know they're raising money. How is it being accounted?
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stilicho, your group tries as hard as they possibly can to put all of Amanda's supporters into one group. This is one of the biggest lies promoted by PMF. Over exaggerated is an understatement.
 
Fulcanelli said:
No, she saw it in the flesh.

And if it's so obviously a hickey in the picture, all the defence needed to do was show the court the picture right? But they didn't. That's because the hickey is only obvious to those who spend their nights instead of solving suduko puzzles, imagining excuses they can make up for the pair..oh, and trolls. But hey, it's okay Mathew, Amanda's still alive and you can still imagine her late in the evenings while you're lying in bed ...your box of cleanex is still on your bedside table...wink, wink.
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Did you just call me Matthew, or is this some inside baseball I'm not privy to?
 
HumanityBlues said:
Shuttlt, I just said what it looks like. No of course I don't know how it got there. And I don't think the people who saw it had any clue either. I just find it funny how much emphasis people put on this, and then do little camera tricks to zoom in and analyze it pseudo scientifically when it looks very much just like a hickey. It could also be an allergic reaction to something not sex or murder related. I just can't take it seriously when people want to insinuate it might have been a wound. If you can't reliably draw a negative inference, then in the interest of objectivity, be fair and don't draw it.
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It doesn't matter about camera tricks. We have eye witnesses. No need for cameras.
 
Fulcanelli said:
No, she saw it in the flesh.

And if it's so obviously a hickey in the picture, all the defence needed to do was show the court the picture right? But they didn't. That's because the hickey is only obvious to those who spend their nights instead of solving suduko puzzles, imagining excuses they can make up for the pair..oh, and trolls. But hey, it's okay Mathew, Amanda's still alive and you can still imagine her late in the evenings while you're lying in bed ...your box of cleanex is still on your bedside table...wink, wink.
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Fulcanelli, It amazes me that anyone listens to you. It says quite a lot about PMF. You are a child. Your comment is out of line and certainly has no place here.

Let's see if any of your loyal followers call you on this.
 
HumanityBlues said:
Who do you think Paul Ciolino is paid by? I thought he was paid by 48 hours.
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Like I said: I agree that I want to see the cancelled cheques.

Mary_H said:
People who oppose the PR campaign need to explain why the PR campaign would be dangerous to the trail.
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The PR campaign is not dangerous to the trial. If that were true then it would be hard to imagine anyone being convicted of anything anywhere. Just hire David Marriott and you can walk free.

On the other hand, the existence and virulence of the campaign and its secretive connections are something that ought to concern anyone. It really is up to those contracting them to open their arrangements to public scrutiny. And for FOA it's even easier: Open the books and publish the financial documentation.
 
Hello this is my first post on JREF so please do forgive any lack of protocol. I received some second hand information and was wondering whether someone could confirm its accuracy or not. Is it true that mobile communications have proven that Amanda was not in Raffaele apartment when she received and responded to Patrick Lumumba’s text? It’s just that I recall Miss Knox and Mr Sollecito’s stated that they stayed in the night of the murder.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
stilicho, your group tries as hard as they possibly can to put all of Amanda's supporters into one group. This is one of the biggest lies promoted by PMF. Over exaggerated is an understatement.
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Can you define the various interest groups promoting AK's innocence for us then?
 
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