How powerful is human immune system?

[ShareCures]

Uh, no. A person may test positive for antibodies to a pathogen because they have had the disease in the past and recovered, because they have been infected in the past but eliminated the pathogen without developing disease, or because they have been vaccinated against the pathogen. In addition, an infant may test positive for antibody to a pathogen because of passive maternal immunity.

Seropositivity absolutely does not equate to infection or disease or even the presence of the pathogen.

You seem to be inviting posters to state something incorrect so that you can say that it is incorrect. I doubt if anyone here is that stupid.

Rolfe.

Very reasonable response. However when it comes to herpes there are a lot of people diagnose as a-symptomatic because they tested positive in an antibody test but have never had any signs and symptoms. Now you will probably say that the count matters but it doesn't because medicine has no way of knowing for sure if a virus is causing generation of an antibody or if it is a bacteria and just to let you in on the secret more than likely the antibody associated with herpes testing is going to be a result of fungus and not virus.

Also I suspect my clients will test negative across the boards in regards to antibody test within 6 to 12 months of correcting the autoimmune. It would be nice if medicine wanted to test me on this one but they wont.

 

[Lucian]

OK, I'm not inferior to bacteria. I fear no bacteria. My immune system is superior to all bacteria. I'm sorry yours isn't.

By the time a person reaches the ripe old age of 80 or 90 their immune system has defeated most every bacteria known to man and not known to man with the exception of rare bacteria found in far off places but if they would have come in contact with rare bacteria they would more than likely defeat them all to.

I can't be more specific than that. I my friend am superior to all other life on earth, hands down no question. You see the story behind both the cockroach and bacteria is that they will survive us destroying ourselves. Make no mistake about it, it isn't the bacteria destroying us any more than it is the cockroach it is the lies and greed destroying us.

I have the truth and the truth makes me immune to bacteria.

Are you immune to all the bacteria that are beneficial to humans?

 

[ShareCures]

Can you provide quantified proofs of the above assertion ?

No but if you have a disease said to be incurable I can provide you with a cure for it. Now if you need anything more than that you truly are struggling with your priorities.

It sounds like some of you who are at least curious about my claims whether you think I am crazy or not believe KNOWING the how's and why's are more important than the results.

You don't have to be afraid of what you don't understand unless are afraid of what will happen to the economy when cures are made public.

There is not one of you who isn't a little bit concerned about what cures for incurable diseases will mean to the world. I understand and fear it myself but I'm willing to throw caution in the wind and see what happens.

You and I are NEVER EVER going to understand natural cures unless there is a god and he tells us what takes place when the body cures a disease said to be incurable.

 

[Hellbound]

Then you would be wrong. Viruses and bacteria are examined under microscopes on a daily basis by those at all levels of the medical ladder.

Just to second this, I've seen them as well. Although I was primarily a field medic in the Army, we had to do regular rotations into a hospital setting. I worked in the lab quite a bit.

 

[ShareCures]

I'm saying the body cannot cure diseases said to be incurable and my medical degree trumps your irrelevant opinion.
I don't. I do disregard your irrelevant claims.
Are you sure you even understand how badly worded polls or polling works?

I don't believe you have a medical degree.

 

[ShareCures]

Kevin Trudeau is evil.

He makes money knowingly peddling lies to sick people.

HERE HERE. Kevin Trudeau should be arrested and I am doing everything in my power to see to it that all who practice medicine without cures is taken down. Alternative medicine will be the first destroyed by True Cures.

You think you guys hate the idea of cures. You aren't nothing compared to the http://curezone.com/ who have not only banned me but who banned their members who were members before I joined the CureZone because they posted their True Cures results.

Alternative medicine hates me with much more passion than those who hate me here. Alternative medicine doesn't want their clients to be aware that all alternative medicine is placebo.

Before you get to thinking you are too good for the placebo you might consider how nice it is when your body placeboly speaking cures you of a disease said to be incurable. There is nothing wrong with your body curing you, it's actually quite satisfying knowing you are not helpless as western medicine would have you believe.

 

[ShareCures]

You do know that the digestive system has acid and all sorts of digestive enzymes etc? You do know this right? Do you eat chicken? What happens to chicken if left on the window sill? (of course I'm assuming that you accept the germ theory, this may be assuming too much at this point).

Argumentative and irrelevant. Fungus does not feed on chicken, it will feed on the chicken feed. As for germs, germs are harmless to those who use their immune response. I can eat e-coli for every meal and matter of fact you have eaten e-coli hundreds of times yourself without getting sick because your immune system kicked it's butt without a seconds thought.

Me, well I eat ALL my meat medium rare. I eat pork, chicken, elk, deer, bear, pheasant, beef, turkey and all fish medium rare to raw. When I go out for a burger I make a scene until they agree to serve me a burger medium rare and if it comes out medium I will send it back. I don't throw anything away because it was left out of the refrigerator over night.

I don't need antibacterial soap or hand creams. I don't need to wear gloves on accident scenes. In short I am superior to all germs.

But none of that or chicken has anything to do with the flour water and fungus.

 

[ShareCures]

It doesn't matter where bacteria live. This thread is about humans being able to defend against bacteria and all disease causing pathogens and pictures and hearsay about people who may or may not have seen a virus in the flesh does not mean anything.

I'm not saying that viruses and bacteria do not exist I'm just saying none of us have any proof which means that we all are taking it on faith. Do all of you believe in God and Jesus Christ? There is a book that says Christianity is the only truth but I am sure many of you disagree with that.

The same goes with anything reported by medicine. Unless you started the research your yourself and finished it from start to finish you are going strictly on faith.

Now that is all fine for you guys because you are unaware of cures for diseases said to be incurable. Me on the other hand will always question a institute that says a disease can't be cured and rightly so.

You are all discussing things with me with the thought that I am crazy. If you knew for certain that the body can cure diseases said to be incurable you to would question everything you hear in regards to medicine. If you knew how medicine ignores the body's natural immune response you to would be a little irritated.

There is nothing you can do or nothing I can do or say to bring attention to my claims by the FDA or science. They will ignore me until I either die or I change the world one person at a time. As long as I can prove cures exist for diseases said to be incurable I am untouchable which is scary. They would have to kill me to stop me.

 

[ShareCures]

Then you would be wrong. Viruses and bacteria are examined under microscopes on a daily basis by those at all levels of the medical ladder.

No they are not. They are rarely ever looked at. There are very few if any test designed to detect viruses. Most test used to diagnose viruses detect "indications" of viruses and never ever detect the actual virus.

I do not know about bacteria testing but from what I have heard they pretty much color a sample and if it turns one color they have a bacteria or virus and if it it doesn't they don't have it.

Nope, there are very few if any in a hospital or lab setting looking at pathogens and saying "there it is". They are looking at colors and other "indications" of the "possible" presence of the pathogen. And to shed more light on it the test results will say that this test in now way means you have the virus, bacteria or disease.

Nope testing for bacteria and viruses is more vague than the rest of medicine. You are all wrong. And I can't imagine anyone needing a microscope in a military hospital. I may have to question one's memory of the past, no offense.

 

[ShareCures]

No, no doctor would be stupid enough to say that an incurable disease can be cured. By anything. If an "incurable" disease can be cured, then it is, by definition, not incurable.



So has every doctor who has ever examined a pancreas and concluded that it produces insulin been lying?



How? Sugars and carbs are



Not at all. Fungus is a recognized and well-documented - and well-understood - health problem.



Okay. So, if I understand the TrueCures system, this is what you're saying:

- The human immune system never malfunctions or attacks the rest of the body*.
- Genetic mutations cannot negatively affect the immune system*.
- The human immune system can defeat any infection except those caused by fungi.
- There are no genetic diseases, only fungal infections passed down from parent to child.
- All lasting illnesses are actually fungi invading the body.

*: Assumed, as you didn't answer the question dealing directly with it.

If this is incorrect, please let me know.

No doctor would be stupid enough to say a person's immune system is incapable of curing a disease said to be incurable. NONE.

No one cares about whether or not the pancreas produces insulin. I never ever said it didn't. I said we do not have proof. I personally believe the pancreas produces insulin. In your argumentative state you are missing pretty much all my points which makes me question why I am conversing with you.

YOU need to know that facts lead to cures. In this thread the facts are True Cures engages the human immune system to cure diseases even diseases said to be incurable by medicine. You do need to recognize that only medicine says certain diseases are incurable, no one else. So at least concede that you are putting all your faith in medicine as if medicine the core of all that is and all that will be.

Fungus being cancer, fungus causing OBs misdiagnosed as herpes, fungus causing strokes, fungus causing cerebral hemorrhaging, fungus causing psoriasis, eczema and and hundreds of other EASILY cured disease are being ignored entirely by medicine hence the reason YOU can't cure them.

-The human immune system malfunction because of pathogens but IT NEVER EVER ATTACKS the body. The human immune system can completely restore itself.
-Genetic mutations do not exist. If there is a mutation it is because there is a pathogen interfering with proper cell growth.
-The human immune system can defeat all pathogens, infections including fungus. That is why the True Cures can cure all diseases.
-There are no genetic diseases, only pathogens and parasites passed from mother to child, grandpa to child, brother to sister, sister to mother, cousin to neighbor. Heck the only thing that will prevent anyone today from dying of what you believe is cancer is either they die of a stroke (still fungus), car accident (not fungus), heart attack (could be any pathogen or parasite) or get cured through True Cures. Everyone has the fungus known as cancer and if something else doesn't get them the fungus known as cancer will.
-All lasting illness and all illnesses are pathogens invading the body and yes sometime it is fungus and sometimes it is bacteria, parasites and possible even viruses.

I don't know if you are here to argue with me or if you really want to know about your personal health. But you are going to have to pay better attention to what I am sharing because I am not going to continue to correct you when you are trying to summarize my claims.

 

[ShareCures]

I'm afraid you are incorrect. I am a doctor and I would say that diseases which are incurable are diseases which cannot be cured. However, as I said at the start of this thread, it is a question which doesn't make sense, so I think you really mean something else, but I don't know what it is.



No, but the human defense system has been used for 100,000 years, so it has pretty much established what it is that it can do.



I haven't voted. The question doesn't make any sense.

Linda

Purely argumentative and false. Any doctor with true intentions of helping people will recognize and be aware of healings and cures they cannot be explained through medicine. When you ask a doctor who isn't caught up in the greed if they believe the body can cure diseases said to be incurable they will tell you the body can cure diseases said to be incurable.

You do not like the poll but that does not make you an expert on polling. No matter how I word it you are still going to tell the readers that a disease said to be incurable by medicine is indeed absolutely incurable.

I mean no disrespect but obviously one of us is wrong. My clients pay me to cure them, I don't have anything else to give them. I don't sell products or use gadgets. Most of my clients have been cured first before they paid.

So you don't like the poll. Who cares? So you don't believe the body has an immune response superior to medicine who cares? It's your choice. Anyone who chooses True Cures will be cured and it doesn't matter what you think.

 

[ShareCures]

Pancreatic Islet Cells of Langerhans scattered among acinar cells.
Light blue staining for insulin.

From:
Hingorani Lab
Hutchinson Center
CCSG Program in GI Oncology

No sir. Rolfe and a few others have already made it clear that no pathogen or parasite attacks or what was the word they used....oh yeah "colonize" the pancreas.

OK, so you just proved them all wrong and me right about pathogens in the pancreas. Thank you!

Now to be truthful this pretty picture doesn't prove anything. And again for the record I am not saying there is no such thing as virus I'm just saying we have no proof other than someone's word and because I know there are cures for diseases said to be incurable I take that someone's word with less than a grain of salt. Lucky for me and True Cures it doesn't matter what you want to call an invader. Your conscious mind has little to nothing to do with your health so you can call them frogs or goober smootches if you want.

But you did prove Rolfe wrong and the d-wormers given to cattle and sheep prevent pathogens from causing harm the sheep and cattle pancreas.

 

[ShareCures]

Are you immune to all the bacteria that are beneficial to humans?

Good question? Have you seen a "good" bacteria in your digestive tract or anywhere else for that matter? How do you know it isn't a whole lot of propaganda designed for not only excuses for why people are sick or just for the sake of selling millions of dollars worth or products like fancy yogurts and all the thousands of pills said to replenish "good" bacteria and cultures.

I'm not saying there are not good bacteria, I'm just saying you and I don't know if there are. I know I have eaten many yogurts and pills said to be good bacteria and felt nothing.

NOW HERE IS THE BEAUTY OF IT ALL. If there is a good bacteria my immune response is superior to medicine and will indeed pick and choose what is good and bad, you see that is EXACTLY how the immune system works. It is your guard against all attackers yet you may be completely disregarding it and circumventing it from its designed intentions.

It was a good question and it should enlighten people here. Thank you.

 

[carlitos]

Hi, you responded to, but did not answer the following questions. Since you are new here, the correct way to respond is to hit the "reply" button and number your replies 1, 2 and 3.

Some questions:
1. Is there only one fungus involved or many?
2. What is(are) the scientific name(s)?
3. Which one(s) is(are) responsible for the following conditions?
- Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
- Baldness
- Diabetes
- Lupus
- Multiple sclerosis

 

[Steve001]

No but if you have a disease said to be incurable I can provide you with a cure for it. Now if you need anything more than that you truly are struggling with your priorities.

It sounds like some of you who are at least curious about my claims whether you think I am crazy or not believe KNOWING the how's and why's are more important than the results.

You don't have to be afraid of what you don't understand unless are afraid of what will happen to the economy when cures are made public.

There is not one of you who isn't a little bit concerned about what cures for incurable diseases will mean to the world. I understand and fear it myself but I'm willing to throw caution in the wind and see what happens.

You and I are NEVER EVER going to understand natural cures unless there is a god and he tells us what takes place when the body cures a disease said to be incurable.

Good then. Everything you've stated is just an opinion.

God has nothing to do with my ability and the thousand of other scientists past and present to understand how the body can naturally rid itself of some diseases.

 

[PixyMisa]

You missed the part where I asked for specifics and quantifiables.

Bacteria can live in much harsher environments than you can.

Bacteria grow in a wider range or areas and climates than you can.

Bacteria can make use of more types of food sources than you can.

Bacteria are better at fighting off other bacteria than the human immune system (they've been doing it for a billion years or so).

So by what measure do you claim to be superior to bacteria? In many ways, they ARE superior to you. This is quantifiable. In other words, we can count it. We can count how many bacteria there are compared to the whole of humanity. We can count how many different types of food sources bacteria can use. We can graph out how many areas of the earth bacteria can survive in, compared to humans.

Do you have anything quantifiable, or just your belief that you'll never be sick?

Never mind all that, by simple cell count he's about 90% bacteria anyway.

 

[Dancing David]

You might be the one of the three who do believe in the immune system. The fact that you were offend by the wide brush stroke suggest you don't believe it can cure diseases your doctor says can't be cured so the brush stroke is accurate.

You can't prove the pancreas produces insulin and more than I can. You take in on faith.

Now that is an interesting response.

I did not vote in the poll, I felt I could not give an accurate answer, given the wording.

As to the resolution of a disease that is declared 'incurable' at some point, I can think of many causes and not all of them would be due to the immune response of the individual. Therefore I do not answer yes or no to the poll. Now if you had a ‘In some cases that seems likely.” option I would have chosen that.


Now evidence that the pancreas generates insulin?
Possible lines of evidence.
1. Humans who have their pancreas removed no longer generate insulin.
2. Pancreatic tissues in vitro seem to generate insulin.

So, that is where I would start. Unless you are using the 'science requires more faith than religion' as an argument. Which has a number of counters.

 

[Dancing David]

OK, I'm not inferior to bacteria. I fear no bacteria. My immune system is superior to all bacteria. I'm sorry yours isn't.

By the time a person reaches the ripe old age of 80 or 90 their immune system has defeated most every bacteria known to man and not known to man with the exception of rare bacteria found in far off places but if they would have come in contact with rare bacteria they would more than likely defeat them all to.

I can't be more specific than that. I my friend am superior to all other life on earth, hands down no question. You see the story behind both the cockroach and bacteria is that they will survive us destroying ourselves. Make no mistake about it, it isn't the bacteria destroying us any more than it is the cockroach it is the lies and greed destroying us.

I have the truth and the truth makes me immune to bacteria.

You do know about the relationship we have with intestinal ecosystems, don't you?

Bacteria, fungus would have three gross categories in relation to humans:
1. Neutral, some benefit or some detriment but no overall effect.
2. Beneficial, in that they provide a positive to the human.
3. Detrimental, in that they provide a negative to the human.

Now the vast majority of 'other things' we encounter (not counting external and internal parasites at this point) are going to be 'neutral' to the human system. If they have benefit it is very small, if they have detriment it is very small.

But human digestion does benefit from certain bacteria that we co-exist with.

 

[Robo Sapien]

Ok David, I have a serious inquiry this time, I think I've poked fun at you enough.

Your home page lists hiatal hernias as one of the things you can successfully cure. Well, I have that. What do I do about it? And I mean specific action to be taken without your consultation. As I live in the US and have no health insurance, I have no options at this time to get help.

Give me a solution, and I will personally champion your cause.

 

[fls]

Purely argumentative and false. Any doctor with true intentions of helping people will recognize and be aware of healings and cures they cannot be explained through medicine. When you ask a doctor who isn't caught up in the greed if they believe the body can cure diseases said to be incurable they will tell you the body can cure diseases said to be incurable.

What I would say is that if the body can cure a disease, then I would not call that disease incurable. Similarly, if a body cannot cure a disease, but a treatment can cure that disease, I would not call that disease incurable.

You do not like the poll but that does not make you an expert on polling. No matter how I word it you are still going to tell the readers that a disease said to be incurable by medicine is indeed absolutely incurable.

There are diseases which cannot be cured, yes.

I mean no disrespect but obviously one of us is wrong.

Well, you are the one who doesn't know the difference between the pancreas and pancreatic ducts.

So you don't believe the body has an immune response superior to medicine who cares?

As I have said multiple times already, the body's immune response is quite powerful. I'm just pointing out that it has already had the last 100,000 years to show us the limits of what it can do.

Linda