How powerful is human immune system?

[Hellbound]

WRONG

<senseless baseless assertions>

Wrong?

Can you be more specific?

Which, exactly, of my statements was incorrect? And please use definable, objective measures to quantify this.

 

[Rolfe]

Maybe she doesn't consider D-Worm (piperazine) a vaccine or any of the dozens of different brands of over the counter worm medications.

I wondered about that. No, I don't consider piperazine to be a vaccine. That's because it isn't a vaccine.

Most of my first year agriculture students manage to figure out the difference between a worming medicine and a vaccine. There is a question in the exam to check that they understand this. It would appear that you don't know even this elementary distinction.

Here's the Janet and John version.

Vaccines contain antigens which sensitise the immune system against a pathogen so that when the organism subsequently meets the pathogen, the pathogen is swiftly destroyed, by the animal's own immune system. They are purely preventative, and (except for very specific situations like rabies) are of no value in treating an infection the animal already has.

Worming medicines (anthelmintics) kill the worms. They are of no benefit for prevention (except to prevent it getting worse), they treat an infection the animal already has. They do not confer any protection against any future infections, and the immune system is not involved.

Not only do animals have to be infected with the parasites before the anthelmintics do any good, modern thinking is that they should be used in such a way as to leave some parasites behind, in order to minimise the spread of anthelmintic resistance. Look up SCOPS.

Most sheep and cattle actually have intestinal worms. There is no vaccine. Worming treatments are used in such a way that some parasites remain.

You have no idea what you're talking about, and I don't know if you're telling us about a delusional view you've held for some time, or if you're simply making it up as you go along to provoke an argument.

Either way, you're about as wrong as you can possibly be.

Rolfe.

 

[Rolfe]

I'll take confuses "genetic" with "inherited" for $2000 Alex.

Confusing genetic with inherited is almost excusable.

Confusing an anthelmintic with a vaccine is verging on the brain-dead.

Rolfe.

 

[Blue Mountain]

You are saturated by fungus. With the exception of jock itch atheletes foot and yeast infection medicine ignores fungus almost completely. They will talk a little about nail fungus and dandruff but they ignore most system deadly fungus which is fed by carbs and sugars. For you correct and completely restore your autoimmune you can cure all your autoimmune conditions you must cut off carbs and sugars for a few weeks so your body can get the upper hand.

For the record diet does NOT eliminate FUNGUS it only helps control it. True Cures must be used if you want a cure so you can return to a normal diet. The CureZone is full of people who have avoided carbs and sugars for years trying to cure fungus, it only helps with control. (remainder snipped)

Some questions:
1. Is there only one fungus involved or many?
2. What is(are) the scientific name(s)?
3. Which one(s) is(are) responsible for the following conditions?

• 
  Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
  Baldness
  Diabetes
  Lupus
  Multiple sclerosis

 

[Rolfe]

Come on guys say it is a fact that a person has herpes if they test positive in a herpes blood antibody blood test and you will then catch my drift.

Uh, no. A person may test positive for antibodies to a pathogen because they have had the disease in the past and recovered, because they have been infected in the past but eliminated the pathogen without developing disease, or because they have been vaccinated against the pathogen. In addition, an infant may test positive for antibody to a pathogen because of passive maternal immunity.

Seropositivity absolutely does not equate to infection or disease or even the presence of the pathogen.

You seem to be inviting posters to state something incorrect so that you can say that it is incorrect. I doubt if anyone here is that stupid.

Rolfe.

 

[Steve001]

No 2 percent, I suggest you increase your usage to at least 5 or 10% and you understand and will see that those who use their brain as it is intended not as medicine intends will be disease free because the brain is responsible for your immunity and if you are not immune to a disease or pathogens it is clearly obvious you are not using what you got.

The more brain you use the healthier you will be.

Can you provide quantified proofs of the above assertion ?

 

[paximperium]

If you say the body cannot cure diseases said to be incurable through medicine you are not a doctor.

I'm saying the body cannot cure diseases said to be incurable and my medical degree trumps your irrelevant opinion.

No doctor will completely disregard the human immune defense.

I don't. I do disregard your irrelevant claims.

So far there are only three people here who do believe in the human immunity and I doubt you are one of them.

Are you sure you even understand how badly worded polls or polling works?

 

[AdinDraco]

When I asked the question about what happens when you put a mixture or water and flour on the window seal it was to tell you why the diet is crucial. You see, you people have read through most of my articles and claims looking for ways to attack me without looking for the truth otherwise you would already know why the diet is critical.

In thirty minutes of setting flour and water on a window seal you will have enough yeast to bake a loaf of bread.

Sugar and carbs feed fungus and fungus is deadly and it will reproduce faster than the human immune system can kill if being fed. Therefore a person must stop feeding the fungus so it cannot reproduce faster than the body can kill it for the body to be able to eliminate it and cure the disease caused by the fungus OR correct the autoimmune that fails because of fungus.

I know that was complicated so let me phrase it like this. Carbs and sugar feed fungus and fungus tax the immune system to the limit or death.

You do know that the digestive system has acid and all sorts of digestive enzymes etc? You do know this right? Do you eat chicken? What happens to chicken if left on the window sill? (of course I'm assuming that you accept the germ theory, this may be assuming too much at this point).

 

[fls]

If you say the body cannot cure diseases said to be incurable through medicine you are not a doctor.

I'm afraid you are incorrect. I am a doctor and I would say that diseases which are incurable are diseases which cannot be cured. However, as I said at the start of this thread, it is a question which doesn't make sense, so I think you really mean something else, but I don't know what it is.

No doctor will completely disregard the human immune defense.

No, but the human defense system has been used for 100,000 years, so it has pretty much established what it is that it can do.

So far there are only three people here who do believe in the human immunity and I doubt you are one of them.

I haven't voted. The question doesn't make any sense.

Linda

 

[ShareCures]

Wrong?

Can you be more specific?

Which, exactly, of my statements was incorrect? And please use definable, objective measures to quantify this.

OK, I'm not inferior to bacteria. I fear no bacteria. My immune system is superior to all bacteria. I'm sorry yours isn't.

By the time a person reaches the ripe old age of 80 or 90 their immune system has defeated most every bacteria known to man and not known to man with the exception of rare bacteria found in far off places but if they would have come in contact with rare bacteria they would more than likely defeat them all to.

I can't be more specific than that. I my friend am superior to all other life on earth, hands down no question. You see the story behind both the cockroach and bacteria is that they will survive us destroying ourselves. Make no mistake about it, it isn't the bacteria destroying us any more than it is the cockroach it is the lies and greed destroying us.

I have the truth and the truth makes me immune to bacteria.

 

[ShareCures]

Let me see if I have this correct.

You claim that almost every disease, including cancer, is caused by various fungi?

I claim that western medicine ignores deadly fungus and I as well as many oncologist who also claim "cancer" is no mystery or super disease but instead a aggressive fungus.

Some diseases are bacterial in nature. Some are parasitic in nature. Now I do really question if viruses are really viruses or if they are just lies to run a smoke screen for fungal diseases. I'm not saying there is not such a thing as a virus, I'm just saying many of diseases said to be viral in nature will soon be proven to be fungal in nature. And one thing is a fact, we do not know how far up the medical chain before we find someone who has looked at an actual virus under a microscope. Doctors have never seen one live, neither do lab techs who tell you if you have herpes or not. I seriously doubt anyone here or at your local hospital has ever seen a virus in person.

Understand this, when the truth about a disease is revealed the cure will almost inevitable follow very shortly after. Diseases that are not being cured are not cured because they are no lies.

 

[Nonpareil]

If you say the body cannot cure diseases said to be incurable through medicine you are not a doctor. No doctor will completely disregard the human immune defense.

No, no doctor would be stupid enough to say that an incurable disease can be cured. By anything. If an "incurable" disease can be cured, then it is, by definition, not incurable.

You can't prove the pancreas produces insulin and more than I can. You take in on faith.

So has every doctor who has ever examined a pancreas and concluded that it produces insulin been lying?

I know that was complicated so let me phrase it like this. Carbs and sugar feed fungus and fungus tax the immune system to the limit or death.

How? Sugars and carbs are

ShareCures, a few quick questions, if I may:

1. Do you accept the role of genetics in determining the properties of the human body?

2. Do you accept the possibility that genetic mutations in humans can be negative?

3. Do you accept that negative genetic mutations can affect the immune system?

4. If you answered "yes" to the above questions, what makes you think that a negative mutation cannot damage the immune system in such a way that it is incapable of defending the body, or so that it actively harms the body?
And one more:

5. Why is the diet important when taking the True Cures treatment plan?

You are saturated by fungus. With the exception of jock itch atheletes foot and yeast infection medicine ignores fungus almost completely. They will talk a little about nail fungus and dandruff but they ignore most system deadly fungus which is fed by carbs and sugars.

Not at all. Fungus is a recognized and well-documented - and well-understood - health problem.

For you correct and completely restore your autoimmune you can cure all your autoimmune conditions you must cut off carbs and sugars for a few weeks so your body can get the upper hand.

Okay. So, if I understand the TrueCures system, this is what you're saying:

- The human immune system never malfunctions or attacks the rest of the body*.
- Genetic mutations cannot negatively affect the immune system*.
- The human immune system can defeat any infection except those caused by fungi.
- There are no genetic diseases, only fungal infections passed down from parent to child.
- All lasting illnesses are actually fungi invading the body.

*: Assumed, as you didn't answer the question dealing directly with it.

If this is incorrect, please let me know.

 

[ShareCures]

More strawman arguments.

I think you will find that 95% of the people who post on this site know that things like immunisation, which primes the immune system, is responsible for immunity to disease.

The ad hominem attacks aren't really helping your case either.

Again, please tell me something about the immune system. I will be specific, tell me about antibody generation.

Antibody generation is part of a secondary immune response showing the immune system is failing. A healthy autoimmune will not require an antibody generation which doesn't really matter because none of this is relevant in regards to the body curing itself.

As I have made it clear there is no need for modern science, technology or medicine when it comes to the body's natural ability to cure any and all diseases. So if you would like to spit hairs for the sake of something to do, please see if there is someone else with more time on their hands.

 

[Nonpareil]

OK, I'm not inferior to bacteria. I fear no bacteria. My immune system is superior to all bacteria. I'm sorry yours isn't.

All bacteria? For some reason, my skeptic alarm is going off. Some bacteria, certainly, but as of yet you have given absolutely no evidence to support your claim that there is no pathogenic infection that the body cannot defeat.

By the time a person reaches the ripe old age of 80 or 90 their immune system has defeated most every bacteria known to man and not known to man with the exception of rare bacteria found in far off places but if they would have come in contact with rare bacteria they would more than likely defeat them all to.

Have you heard about the settlement of North America? The Native Americans were largely defeated by diseases brought across the Atlantic by the settlers. Pathogenic diseases.

 

[Nonpareil]

And one thing is a fact, we do not know how far up the medical chain before we find someone who has looked at an actual virus under a microscope. Doctors have never seen one live, neither do lab techs who tell you if you have herpes or not. I seriously doubt anyone here or at your local hospital has ever seen a virus in person.

Then you would be wrong. Viruses and bacteria are examined under microscopes on a daily basis by those at all levels of the medical ladder.

 

[paximperium]

OK, I'm not inferior to bacteria. I fear no bacteria. My immune system is superior to all bacteria. I'm sorry yours isn't.

I fear bacteria simply because I understand it and respect infectious disease and the immune system.

Your blind and blatant disregard for a danger does not equate with what is true.

By the time a person reaches the ripe old age of 80 or 90 their immune system has defeated most every bacteria known to man and not known to man with the exception of rare bacteria found in far off places but if they would have come in contact with rare bacteria they would more than likely defeat them all to.

So?

I can't be more specific than that. I my friend am superior to all other life on earth, hands down no question.

Your arrogance knows no bounds.

You see the story behind both the cockroach and bacteria is that they will survive us destroying ourselves. Make no mistake about it, it isn't the bacteria destroying us any more than it is the cockroach it is the lies and greed destroying us.

Do you understand what an Argument via Irrelevant nonsense is?

I have the truth and the truth makes me immune to bacteria.

You have presented no "truth" and your claim can be treated as such.

 

[ShareCures]

I wondered about that. No, I don't consider piperazine to be a vaccine. That's because it isn't a vaccine.

Most of my first year agriculture students manage to figure out the difference between a worming medicine and a vaccine. There is a question in the exam to check that they understand this. It would appear that you don't know even this elementary distinction.

Here's the Janet and John version.

Vaccines contain antigens which sensitise the immune system against a pathogen so that when the organism subsequently meets the pathogen, the pathogen is swiftly destroyed, by the animal's own immune system. They are purely preventative, and (except for very specific situations like rabies) are of no value in treating an infection the animal already has.

Worming medicines (anthelmintics) kill the worms. They are of no benefit for prevention (except to prevent it getting worse), they treat an infection the animal already has. They do not confer any protection against any future infections, and the immune system is not involved.

Not only do animals have to be infected with the parasites before the anthelmintics do any good, modern thinking is that they should be used in such a way as to leave some parasites behind, in order to minimise the spread of anthelmintic resistance. Look up SCOPS.

Most sheep and cattle actually have intestinal worms. There is no vaccine. Worming treatments are used in such a way that some parasites remain.

You have no idea what you're talking about, and I don't know if you're telling us about a delusional view you've held for some time, or if you're simply making it up as you go along to provoke an argument.

Either way, you're about as wrong as you can possibly be.

Rolfe.

I thought that was the case. It lets you off the hook.

Just like in humans, pets and livestock do not need what you call vaccinations. Tatyana also believes the immune response can't engage without medical raciness but that is all a lie. The immune response is 100% responsible for us being here right now. If it were not for our immune response being completely whole and independent from medicine man would have gone extinct a long time ago.

Vaccines are seldom used on livestock only when improper farming or ranching has been an issue.

D-worming is more than sufficient for keeping livestock disease free and healthy. This is most likely do to the fact that a body d-wormed is not only toxic enough to kill worms it is also toxic enough to kill most other pathogens. Ivermectin will likely be strong enough to cure any bacteria or virus if there is such a thing as a virus.

 

[paximperium]

Pancreatic Islet Cells of Langerhans scattered among acinar cells.
Light blue staining for insulin.

From:
Hingorani Lab
Hutchinson Center
CCSG Program in GI Oncology

 

[ShareCures]

Some questions:
1. Is there only one fungus involved or many?
2. What is(are) the scientific name(s)?
3. Which one(s) is(are) responsible for the following conditions?

• 
  Amyotrophic lateral sclerosis
  Baldness
  Diabetes
  Lupus
  Multiple sclerosis

Next time you go to the grocery store check out the jock itch spray section, it will be very revealing. You will see fungicides that are said to treat some types of fungus that cause jock itch and then you have types that claim to cure most types of fungus that cause jock itch.

Your grocery store has hundreds of fungicides designed to kill as many types of fungus. As for the names, who cares, your immune system doesn't care. How many types of fungi do you have which haven't been named, who cares. Medicine isn't going to tell you what they are and what they do to you. Medicine is going to say that fungus causes jock itch and nothing serious. Medicine lies.

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N22129903.htm

Above is a link about deadly fungus. You will be seeing more and more articles like this as the public becomes more aware of the fact that fungus is killing most of their loved ones. There are lots of diseases but the most deadly ones are caused by fungus.

If there are any farmers here they will agree that not one kernel of grain would make it to the tables without fungicides. Not one cherry or one orange. Our livestock would be non existent if the d-worming/vaccinations did not prevent them from being saturated with fungus.

Rolfe only knows what she was taught to tell us. She has no idea what the medications given to livestock or pets really do. She has no idea what actually causes diseases in animals she only know what her schooling told her caused the disease.

True Cures is not concerned with name of diseases or names of fungus. True Cures is only interested in cures for all illnesses and conditions medicine calls disease.

 

[Hellbound]

OK, I'm not inferior to bacteria. I fear no bacteria. My immune system is superior to all bacteria. I'm sorry yours isn't.

You missed the part where I asked for specifics and quantifiables.

Bacteria can live in much harsher environments than you can.

Bacteria grow in a wider range or areas and climates than you can.

Bacteria can make use of more types of food sources than you can.

Bacteria are better at fighting off other bacteria than the human immune system (they've been doing it for a billion years or so).

So by what measure do you claim to be superior to bacteria? In many ways, they ARE superior to you. This is quantifiable. In other words, we can count it. We can count how many bacteria there are compared to the whole of humanity. We can count how many different types of food sources bacteria can use. We can graph out how many areas of the earth bacteria can survive in, compared to humans.

Do you have anything quantifiable, or just your belief that you'll never be sick?