9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[MaGZ]

I think it is to show any third parties looking in how full of crap people like 9/11 Investigator really are. You are probably not going to get anywhere with a hard core bigot.They are too emotionally commited.
What is unusual about our investigator is how open he is about his hatred for the Jews. Most of his ilk make some effort to hide it,like the old "it's only the Zionist Jews I am against".

I prefer more honesty on the Jewish Question. The Jews should be criticized directly. This was a point made time and again with Dr. William Pierce.

http://en.metapedia.org/wiki/List_of_articles_by_William_L._Pierce_(part_two)

 

[MaGZ]

I have been following this thread since it started. A hundred pages of sickening crap from holocaust deniers, who clearly don't know when they are totally beaten. They make 9/11 truthers look reasonable by comparison.

How do you explain the fantastic growth in holocaust denial over the years?

 

[Think_Tank]

Never happened

But I have to agree with TSR, killing these children was a big crime.

A little dissention in the ranks here. Is their forum down for maintenance?

How do you explain the fantastic growth in holocaust denial over the years?

I'm slightly gratified that you refer to it as "denial" rather than some pseudo-legitimate BS like "revisionism". But to answer your question, I guess that anti-semites have naturally migrated to a movement which lends their views the weakest of illusions of acadmia.

Thank you. /leaves






...some bigoted holocaust denier...

Sorry, my microphone was still on.

 

[TSR]

Never happened

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Jäger was lying to his superiours, then?

Got any, you know, *proof* of this?
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[TSR]

(the translation I gave was not false in the slightest - except I

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added the bolded: "we are sending you plans to install the 30 ovens from Krema II and III at Mauthausen" which does not appear in the "original".
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[little grey rabbit]

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added the bolded: "we are sending you plans to install the 30 ovens from Krema II and III at Mauthausen" which does not appear in the "original".
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And that was not a translation I provided here, that was a quote taken from another bulletin board where I discussed this letter. It was a one line summary of the multiple page letter delivered an audience that mostly can understand german and not one of them complained that I had inaccurately summarized the letter. I find translating German laborious and since most of the participants in that discussion can read it themselves, a one line summary was sufficient.

I have proved the accuracy of that one line summary (given on a different bulletin board about 6 months ago), by providing a quote which discusses this letter from a book published by the Buchenwald Memorial Foundation - according to Mr Ellard, a hotbed of holocaust denial.

Such dishonesty on your part is breathtaking TSR. You understand my interest as to whether this is a deliberate debating tactic or simply a genuine reflection of your ignorance.

 

[Skeptic]

Can't argue with realizing the holocaust is a gigantic lie changing people.

I'd, for one, be very angry with quite a few relatives of mine who, apparently, decided to disappear and start life in some mysterious unknown country, despite those surviving relatives desperately looking for them for decades.

A real nasty bunch, those jokers.

By the way, I looked at google earth and to see if they can find some previously-unknown cities somewhere where all those millions of missing Jews got to to start their new life.

Found nothing.

There is only one explanation.

Google earth is controlled by the Jews and is part of the NWO propaganda.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Can't argue with realizing the holocaust is a gigantic lie changing people.

I'd, for one, be very angry with quite a few relatives of mine who, apparently, decided to disappear and start life in some mysterious unknown country, despite those surviving relatives desperately looking for them for decades.

A real nasty bunch, those jokers.

By the way, I looked at google earth and to see if they can find some previously-unknown cities somewhere where all those millions of missing Jews got to to start their new life.

Found nothing.

There is only one explanation.

Google earth is controlled by the Jews and is part of the NWO propaganda.

Fair enough, tell us what was the last you heard of these missing relatives, where you think they died and the steps you have untertaken to try and find them.

 

[TSR]

I have proved the accuracy of that one line summary (given on a different bulletin board about 6 months ago), by providing a quote which discusses this letter from a book published by the Buchenwald Memorial Foundation - according to Mr Ellard, a hotbed of holocaust denial.

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No, you have asserted that the BMF supports your "translation" without actually *citing* the passage that does so.

And since Mr Ellard has made no such claim, I note yet another lie on your part.
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[carlitos]

another truly offensive post

Fair enough, tell us what was the last you heard of these missing relatives, where you think they died and the steps you have untertaken to try and find them.

Wow. Just wow.

 

[little grey rabbit]

Wow. Just wow.

Are Jewish deaths somehow far more precious and sacred than gentile deaths? My family lost someone during WW2 and I can assure you if anyone is interested I can tell you about it. It's something that affected my parent's generation and my grandparent's, but TBH is really of little meaning to me.

For my part, I am quite willing to believe that a lot of Jews died during WW2, but I notice repeatedly that Jews can become very vague when confronted with a knowledgeable denier. I have yet to find online any Jew who claims to have lost relatives even the most cursory description - just as Skeptic has appears to run away here. And on the few occasions that they have, they provided details that were manifestly incorrect by the orthodox narrative.

One example went like this:
My family lived in Poland (not specified where), they were transported to Treblinka and gassed.
My response: Many thousands were transported to Treblinka as part of what was called a resettlement program, however how can you be sure that they were gassed and not transported onwards.
His response: That is where you are wrong. The Germans kept excellent records and I have been to Yad Vashem and seen the document where it says they were gassed.
My response: Can you be more specific, there are no lists of people who were gassed in Treblinka. Hypothetically there might be some lists of people who were deported there, but even those are very rare. Can you describe this document in more detail.
His response: You are just a lying hate-filled anti-semite.


You see my confusion: I didn't ask this person to lie about seeing a German document that stated his family was gassed, but he went and did so anyway. It seems to me that relocating relatives after WW2, especially considering all the emigration that took place, would be a massive and on-going process. Yet there doesn't seem to be much evidence of such activity. Hence I was hoping Skeptic, since he claimed that his family had been searching, would tell us what organisations there were that actually deal with this.

It doesn't really seem such an unreasonable request to me, and probably of general interest to many people.

 

[little grey rabbit]

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No, you have asserted that the BMF supports your "translation" without actually *citing* the passage that does so.

Actually a cite and provided the direct quote where they did so on post 3990. It wouldn't be that they support my "translation", rather I first saw the document and the universally accepted explanation that it refers to supposedly 30 muffles evacuated from Birkenau.

And since Mr Ellard has made no such claim, I note yet another lie on your part.
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mr Ellard did indeed makes such a claim, allow me to quote him in all his magnificent lack of knowledge again:

"2) If the camp was evacuated by the Germans on 17th January 1945 and captured on the 27th of January by the Russians how could Topf and Sons write a letter dated Feb 1945 selling the Krema II and III ovens? (You are not great at history are you?)

3) There were only 5 x 3 ovens ever at Krema II and III according to Pressac. So how could they sell more ovens than actually existed?

It seems to me that you have either a holocaust denier's forgery in your paws or Topf & Sons were not aware that Poland had fallen the previous month ( like the rest of Germany, when Army group centre collapsed during Bagration) "

 

[TSR]

My response: Many thousands were transported to Treblinka as part of what was called a resettlement program, however how can you be sure that they were gassed and not transported onwards.

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Because there is not a single record of *anyone* being resettled anywhere from Treblinka.

In fact, and in direct contradiction to your completely unsupported and unsupportable "resettlement" crap, Jews were shipped from Białystok *west* to Treblinka.

So prove me wrong: document a *single* shipment of Jews from Treblinka to anywhere further east.

And while you are at it, feel free to *cite* this conversation so we can see all of the context it is more than likely you have left out given your history of inventing conversations -- or are you prepared to apologize to Mr Ellard?
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[lionking]

How do you explain the fantastic growth in holocaust denial over the years?

I'd like to see some proof of this, as your assertions are somewhat lacking in credibility.

But even if there has been growth, Fundamantalist Christian churches are growing as well. There are a lot of gullible idiots in the world.

 

[TSR]

Actually a cite and provided the direct quote where they did so on post 3990. It wouldn't be that they support my "translation", rather I first saw the document and the universally accepted explanation that it refers to supposedly 30 muffles evacuated from Birkenau.

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Oh, I see: you are pretending to unaware of what a citation is, allow me to help: according to the standard used by historians, the CMOS, a citation includes such things as the page number.

Try again.

Oh, and you have yet to explain why Topf would be selling parts that they did not own at the time, from a camp that had already been liberated (or are you pretending that the Krema were only being leased and that the Soviets were going to allow a repossession?)
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mr Ellard did indeed makes such a claim, allow me to quote him in all his magnificent lack of knowledge again:

"2) If the camp was evacuated by the Germans on 17th January 1945 and captured on the 27th of January by the Russians how could Topf and Sons write a letter dated Feb 1945 selling the Krema II and III ovens? (You are not great at history are you?)

3) There were only 5 x 3 ovens ever at Krema II and III according to Pressac. So how could they sell more ovens than actually existed?

It seems to me that you have either a holocaust denier's forgery in your paws or Topf & Sons were not aware that Poland had fallen the previous month ( like the rest of Germany, when Army group centre collapsed during Bagration) "

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And where in this exerpt does Mr. Ellard assert that the Buchenwald Memorial Foundation is "a hotbed of holocaust denial?"

Tell me, bunny: what is it called when you say something you know isn't so?
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[little grey rabbit]

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Because there is not a single record of *anyone* being resettled anywhere from Treblinka.

In fact, and in direct contradiction to your completely unsupported and unsupportable "resettlement" crap, Jews were shipped from Białystok *west* to Treblinka.

So prove me wrong: document a *single* shipment of Jews from Treblinka to anywhere further east.
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Which makes it all the more surprising that this person felt the need to lie about seeing a document in Yad Vashem saying his family had been gassed.

Why not just say the truth? "They were in such and such ghetto. I know that this ghetto was emptied by being shipped to Treblinka on these dates. We have never heard of them since and there have been numerous books, studies and trials about what went on in Treblinka, therefore I am certain my relatives are dead." It would be utterly reasonable, it seems to be me.

But its a repeating pattern, whenever you ask for details, they always shy away.

For my part, I am interested in what steps Jewish families took after the war to locate missing relatives. I was hoping Skeptic might tell us.

 

[little grey rabbit]

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Oh, I see: you are pretending to unaware of what a citation is, allow me to help: according to the standard used by historians, the CMOS, a citation includes such things as the page number.

www.topfundsoehne.de/download/medienmappe_ef_en.pdf

Accompanying book

The Engineers of the "Final Solution".Topf & Sons - Builders of the Auschwitz Ovens.
Accompanying book on behalf of the Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora Memorials Foundation
published by Volkhard Knigge in collaboration with Annegret Schüle and Rikola-Gunnar Lüttgenau and
with the assistance of Johanna Wensch and Friedemann Rincke,
70 ill., ISBN 3-935598-10-6, 7,90 Euro

The book can be ordered on-line: www.topfundsoehne.de

Knock yourself out.

Oh, and you have yet to explain why Topf would be selling parts that they did not own at the time, from a camp that had already been liberated (or are you pretending that the Krema were only being leased and that the Soviets were going to allow a repossession?)
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So you think the letter is a forgery or do you think all the experts have got it wrong in saying it was about the 30 muffles of Krema II and III?

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And where in this exerpt does Mr. Ellard assert that the Buchenwald Memorial Foundation is "a hotbed of holocaust denial?"

When he suggested I was using a document forged by holocaust deniers.

Tell me, bunny: what is it called when you say something you know isn't so?
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If you are Goy, its called lying
If you are Jewish, its called midrash

 

[TSR]

Which makes it all the more surprising that this person felt the need to lie about seeing a document in Yad Vashem saying his family had been gassed.

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Is there a reason other than the obvious why you won't link to this discussion so we can see if this person actually made the claim you attribute to them? It has been demonstrated that you are not above lying about such things...
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[little grey rabbit]

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Is there a reason other than the obvious why you won't link to this discussion so we can see if this person actually made the claim you attribute to them? It has been demonstrated that you are not above lying about such things...
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No just the obvious reason, that this particular bulletin board doesn't archive its discussion for more than about 6 months.

Although someone there was kind enough to inform me once, that all my posts were engraved on gold plates and kept in the basement of the Smithsonian.

It costs an extra 2 dollars to see them, but well worth the expense.

 

[TSR]

www.topfundsoehne.de/download/medienmappe_ef_en.pdf
Knock yourself out.

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Funny, that PDF returns zero matches for the phrase "important components of the extermination," just to choose a distinctive combo at random.

It *does* however, in a search for "1945" state

In view of the advancing Red Army, the crematoria there had been blown up in January 1945 in an effort to conceal evidence.

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...which makes your claim even less likely to accurate.
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So you think the letter is a forgery or do you think all the experts have got it wrong in saying it was about the 30 muffles of Krema II and III?

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You have yet to actually *cite* this letter, or any experts who hold that opinion.
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When he suggested I was using a document forged by holocaust deniers.

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Even if all you claim regarding this letter and "the experts'" opinion thereof turns out being accurate, being taken in by a forgery would not make them a "hotbed of holocaust denial" and no reasonable person would make that assumption. One would have to assume that Mr. Ellard meant that they were aware that it was a forgery and were still actively promoting the letter -- and given that you *still* have not substantiated that this letter even exists ...

But let's run with this while you rig up a citation which actually supports your claims: what is *your* explanation for the fact that these muffles were not Topf's to sell, and that they were behind "enemy" lines as of the date the letter was supposed to have been written?
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If you are Goy, its called lying
If you are Jewish, its called midrash

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No, it would be called lying when *anyone* does it -- too bad you're the only so engaged in this thread...
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