9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

[little grey rabbit]

Assuming that you can, you will understand this:

On page 64 of "Engineering the Final Solution. Topf and Sons the builders of the Auschwitz ovens" there is a facisimile of a letter from Topf to Mauthausen Bauleitung, dated Feb 1945.


Neubau Krematorium (Sonderanlage).

In der Anlage übersenden wir Ihnen durch unseren Herrn Polier Koch eine Zeichnung D 61 654. Aus dieser Zeichnung wollen Sie die Hälfte der Gesamtanlage ersehen.
Das mittlere Hauptgebäude enthält zweimal 5 stück Dreimuffel-Einäscherungs-öfen, die an 2 Stück dreiröhrigen Schornsteinen angeschlossen sind. Der Mittelbau erhält nach der Aussenseite den Raum für die Aufsichtspersonen. Auf der gegenüberliegenden Seite liegt der Kohlenraum

And as someone else said there:

No Jan, he's not missing ovens at all. You are. Can you solve it?

Well, can you?

 

[Skeptic]

Holocaust deniers or "truthers" naming themselves "rabbits" on the internet became popular after The Matrix, as a sign that they are out to "enlightened" others about what the truth "really is", based on the opening sequence of that movie.

It shows something about the average educational level of both groups that their reference for such a situation comes from a popular film. Clearly, they've never heard of Plato's allegory of the cave, or numerous other (mostly religious) allegories in literature to such a situation, which have been a staple of education in the last 2500 years.

That's because most such folks are total ignoramuses (or, perhaps, ignoranuses), and know nothing at all about history, philosophy, sociology, physics, biology or the sciences and the humanities in general except "Jooooooooz bad".

 

[little grey rabbit]

Holocaust deniers or "truthers" naming themselves "rabbits" on the internet became popular after The Matrix, as a sign that they are out to "enlightened" others about what the truth "really is", based on the opening sequence of that movie.

It shows something about the average educational level of both groups that their reference for such a situation comes from a popular film. Clearly, they've never heard of Plato's allegory of the cave, or numerous other (mostly religious) allegories in literature to such a situation, which have been a staple of education in the last 2500 years.

That's because most such folks are total ignoramuses (or, perhaps, ignoranuses), and know nothing at all about history, philosophy, sociology, physics, biology or the sciences and the humanities in general except "Jooooooooz bad".

Actually, a Hoaxster suggested I should call myself Little Grey Rabbit.

I am well aware of the allegory of the cave, which is why a put a post in the science forum about the Allais effect.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

No, the ones evacuated to Gross Rosen:

http://rodohforum.yuku.com/topic/7732/t/Laundering-a-Topf-letter.html

As you can see, it is a question that even greater minds than yours Trojan (such as Dr Nick Terry) have felt the need to dodge also.

Your are lying again with a false translation. Here is the "German letter" you quoted (we don't get to see the original and you forged your last translation concerning Spanner and the soap.)

Neubau Krematorium (Sonderanlage).

In der Anlage übersenden wir Ihnen durch unseren Herrn Polier Koch eine Zeichnung D 61 654. Aus dieser Zeichnung wollie Sie die Hälfte der Gesamtanlage ersehen.
Das mittlere Hauptgebäude enthält zweimal 5 stück Dreimuffel-Einäscherungs-öfen, die an 2 Stück dreiröhrigen Schornsteinen angeschlossen sind. Der Mittelbau erhält nach der Aussenseite den Raum für die Aufsichtspersonen. Auf der gegenüberliegenden Seite liegt der Kohlenraum

On the Rodoh forum you wrote... Little Grey Rabbit "Basic translation "we are sending you plans to install the 30 ovens from Krema II and III at Mauthausen".

1) Where on earth does this say "from Krema II and Krema III" in German? (I love your fudged translation)

2) If the camp was evacuated by the Germans on 17th January 1945 and captured on the 27th of January by the Russians how could Topf and Sons write a letter dated Feb 1945 selling the Krema II and III ovens? (You are not great at history are you?)

3) There were only 5 x 3 ovens ever at Krema II and III according to Pressac. So how could they sell more ovens than actually existed?

It seems to me that you have either a holocaust denier's forgery in your paws or Topf & Sons were not aware that Poland had fallen the previous month ( like the rest of Germany, when Army group centre collapsed during Bagration)


I love your hilarious conclusion on this website "we are aware that somewhere in the Eastern Bloc (presumably Moscow) had the ability to produce Topf letters like hot cakes"
Now if the Russians have taken the camp in January do you think the they are so stupid as to forge this letter with a February date? What planet are you on?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Holocaust deniers or "truthers" naming themselves "rabbits" on the internet became popular after The Matrix, as a sign that they are out to "enlightened" others about what the truth "really is", based on the opening sequence of that movie.

Thanks for that. I made the wrong assumption that he was basing himself on "Bugs Bunny" as a cynical wise guy developed by Warner Bros. I even thought he may have based himself on "Thumper" and that we were all "Bambis". I love the fact his name is taken from the "Matrix" as his posts makes as much sense as those silly movies. Well at least we can guess his age.

 

[Moss]

Keep up the good work little grey rabbit, trying to insinuate connections where there are none. Intellectual honesty all the way, right?

 

[Trojan]

Do you read German?

No

 

[Arisia]

All of it. You have continued to avoid my question two times for this reason.



No, you are just another holocaust denier

I will ask again. Are you contesting a particular document that states there were 24 muffle furnaces in Krema II and Krema III at Auschwitz?
1) Link us to this document
2) State what your exact claim is and why you dispute the document's information.

Pressac states there were five, three-muffle furnaces, (15 ovens)in Crematoria II and III of Birkenau. Indeed your fellow holocaust denier Mattogno says the same and that is why I want to see the document you are looking at which says there were 24 muffle furnaces in Krema II and III. I'm wondering if you are reading the discredited Leuchter report, or have confused "in 24 hours" with "24 ovens", or have confused all the ovens in all the crematoria in Auschwitz.

He'll never acknowledge that you've answered his questions. If he acknowledges we've found his 'missing muffles', then he'll have to find where the 6 million went, since he claims they went their merry way into hiding after the war.

 

[Moss]

"These are not the muffles you are looking for."
I really wonder how he got the impression that the muffles in the draft would be the reused muffles from Auschwitz. Nothing indicates that.

 

[little grey rabbit]

"These are not the muffles you are looking for."
I really wonder how he got the impression that the muffles in the draft would be the reused muffles from Auschwitz. Nothing indicates that.

Perhaps it was the accompanying text from "The Engineers of the "Final Solution"" by the Buchenwald and Mittelbau-Dora Memorials Foundation

Ever Ready to Serve - Unendingly

Before the crematoria in Auschwitz were blown up in January 1945, the SS had important components of the extermination facilities such as oven parts and the gas chamber ventilation and exhaust system dismantled. Less than three months before the end of the war, they planned to rebuild them as part of an extermination centre near Mauthausen Concentration Camp in Austria

etc etc

In a fit of generosity I have offered you the 6 muffles of Buchenwald as I believe they were sourced from Birkenau.

I await the other 24 from Team Hoax.

 

[little grey rabbit]

You know, guy, you are really playing with fire with you advocacy of Holocaust Denial.
From seeing your posts on other topics, you seem to be more of a troll who is just trying to get a rise from skeptics then a genuine bigot. But you are in really,really, bad company when it comes to playing around with Holocaust Denial.

I should point out I have on numerous occasions offered to swap sides for a very modest sum of money. And it was a very sincere offer (and it is still open). So you only have your own stinginess to blame.

After all, Elie Wiesel makes a bomb out of this, why shouldn't I?

 

[Matthew Ellard]

He'll never acknowledge that you've answered his questions. If he acknowledges we've found his 'missing muffles', then he'll have to find where the 6 million went, since he claims they went their merry way into hiding after the war.

I know that. Little Grey Rabbit is simply cut & pasting bits from CODOH and the IHR holocaust denial websites and dropping bits on this forum. Like all holocaust deniers he will avoid direct questions that he can't find pre-prepared answers on these forums. I read these forums for the Skeptic Society's holocaust denial forum, so I simply ask questions that do not have pre-prepared answers.

Another good trick is to check dates. Senior holocaust deniers make money selling books to the "kiddies" and they already fudge dates. The "kiddie" holocaust deniers don't know the dates are fudged. Little Grey Rabbit is trying to push a February 1945 letter about moving Auschwitz ovens (muffles) to another camp but is unaware that Auschwitz was over run by the Russians in January 1945. From Wikipedia....These remaining 7,500 prisoners were liberated by the 322nd Rifle Division of the Red Army on January 27, 1945.

 

[Skeptic]

Naturally, since if they made any historical investigation except cutting-and-pasting from other holocaust denial web sites, or had any real interest in the truth instead of Jew-bashing, they'd soon realize holocaust denial is nonsense.

And "these are not the muffles you are looking for" (a variation on a quote from "Star Wars"), like calling oneself a "rabbit" (based on "The Matrix") shows the usual denier's mentality, one whose worldview is based on popular films more than anything else.

But then again, only those who are either deliberately lying or are ignoramuses about history are holocaust deniers in the first place.

 

[Matthew Ellard]

Edited by Gaspode: 

Removed breach of Rule 12

 

[Moss]

Just for the sake of curiosity: What about the 24 muffles? Do you want to know where they turned up or what exactly are you asking for? As Mr. Ellard has repeatedly told you, even if there were plans to reuse them, that had become impossible after the liberation of Auschwitz by the Red Army
Anyway, how is this in any way relevant to extermination process of the Holocaust? Its a detail at best, and not one on which hinges the whole truth.
So, what about those 24 muffles?

 

[little grey rabbit]

Just for the sake of curiosity: What about the 24 muffles? Do you want to know where they turned up or what exactly are you asking for? As Mr. Ellard has repeatedly told you, even if there were plans to reuse them, that had become impossible after the liberation of Auschwitz by the Red Army
Anyway, how is this in any way relevant to extermination process of the Holocaust? Its a detail at best, and not one on which hinges the whole truth.
So, what about those 24 muffles?

Edited by Gaspode: 

Removed breach of Rule 12

My personal opinion is that Birkenau was equipped with only 6 muffles (and not 46 as the Soviet investigative commission claimed), I suspect that these 6 muffles ended up in Buchenwald. Plausibly you could argue that the 8 muffles of Krema IV and V were destroyed without a trace (actually that isnt plausible - but the reasons for that are above the knowledge of subject of the audience here). However, it is not plausible to argue that the 30 muffles of Krema II and III disappeared.

This thesis is instantly falsified when someone can point to where the 30 (or 24 if you accept my Buchenwald theory) muffles are.

The fact of the matter is that this questioned has taxed the historical knowledge of people far more expert than you. So I don't expect you to find an answer when the likes of Dr Nick Terry came up empty handed.

PS. Mr Ellard, regarding SMERSH.....google is your friend before making an idiot of yourself online.

 

[little grey rabbit]

So to answer your question, as the 24 muffles do not exist and never existed, it is impossible for you to find them.

What I am seeking is an acknowledgment that these 24 muffles can not be located - although I won't hold my breath. Dr Terry squirmed and wiggled for years but he could never manage a straightforward acknowledgment, and I expect folks here will be similarly dishonest.

 

[MaGZ]

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Especially when they aren't Jewish to begin with, and 9/11 has been told this, but cannot conceive that a non-Jew would actively oppose zir garbage.

Of course, 9/11 *still* has not clearly and unequivocally condemned his heroes for what he admits is the barbarous act of rounding up every last Jewish child for the express purpose of murdering them in cold blood....

Never happened

 

[MaGZ]

Yeah, really.
Just one of the many reasons why our little investigator is probably the most despised JREF member.

It appears I have some serious competition.

 

[MaGZ]

I do wonder why I have contributed to the continued engagement of hateful, willfully ignorant individuals. What do you do when you try to share the light of well-supported truth with people and they claim your light is actually darkness? And when you get to the point that you proclaim them a lost cause and decide to move on, they take that as proof that they've won the argument. I really wonder why we bother.

Once individuals realize the Holocaust is one gigantic lie, they will never be changed.