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How Can they Stop the Oil Spill?

I wonder if a small nuclear device detonated near the bore would collapse the bore?

Not that anybody is likely to authorize such a thing, but I believe that there is a chance that it might just work.

So, can you explain how the bore works? How do they actually make these holes? What is the material that would theoretically collapse?
 
I wonder if a small nuclear device detonated near the bore would collapse the bore?

Not that anybody is likely to authorize such a thing, but I believe that there is a chance that it might just work.

I think the radiation might have quite an adverse affect.
 
Im a Petroleum Engineer although about to graduate :). As I understand it form talking with people in my department the only real viable solution which BP is doing as we speak will be to drill a second well and pump a kill fluid into the formation. Now the sad part is this is going to take months at least as most wells in the Gulf are particularly deep.

It could get real nasty if they cant slow the blow out until then.
 
So, can you explain how the bore works? How do they actually make these holes? What is the material that would theoretically collapse?

The well bore is just a hole in the ground. Now around that hole is the Casing which is cemented into the hole and that is made out of various grades of steel depending on the pressures and depth of the well.

Explosives is not something that is practical at all to collapse the well. ( or atleast not very common)

The only real way to stop a blow out is to drill a second well and pump a Kill Fluid (really dense fluid) into the formation that is producing the oil.
 
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So, can you explain how the bore works? How do they actually make these holes? What is the material that would theoretically collapse?

Rock, cement, and pipe. The drill cuts through the rock, and at certain intervals is removed and the bore is cased with pipe and cement to hold it in place is pumped in to the space between the pipe and the diameter of the bore. As this is done in phases, the diameter of the casing decreased in steps with depth and so smaller and smaller drills are used.

As they were still drilling when this blowout happened, the drill bit and drill collar segments are likely still in the hole.

An explosive closing of the well would aim to crush the pipe and the casing and cause enough overburden to enter the well to counter the pressure of the oil reservoir.
 
Stories are still confused re the exact well condition.
According to Halliburton, the well was cemented 20 hours before the "incident", which raises the question- "How come the well is flowing"? Other sources imply the cement job was ongoing at the time of the reported explosion.
If the string of drillpipe used to pump cement slurry was still in the well when the rig sank, then it may be forcing the BOP to stay partially open. The tool joints of the pipe are bigger OD than the rest of the pipe. If the pipe rams closed on a tooljoint, fluid may be able to pass. The hydraulics that could open and reclose the rams are gone.
If an ROV can't close the rams "manually", then a relief well is the likely answer. That's already in progress.
It really depends what's down there. Last night on UK tv I saw an animated graphic implying there is a pipeline on the seabed leaking oil. This is so wrong, I don't know how they could have got it more incorrect without actually hiring Uri Gellar as a consultant.

The well is always flowing unless its a "tight" formation which isnt the case in the Gulf. The only thing that keeps the well from "flowing" while they are drilling/cementing/ whatever is the Drilling mud which is of enough density (hopefully) and weight to keep the oil from flowing into the well bore.
 
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Explosives is not something that is practical at all to collapse the well.
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Nuclear detonations are a whole different energy range than any chemical explosive. My thought is that pulverized rock and crushed steel would work as well in countering the pressure as kill fluid. And this could potentially be deployed much faster.

Civil engineering with nuclear detonations has been piloted in the past;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Explosions_for_the_National_Economy

Note that the second link shows that the Soviet Union used nuclear detonations to close off natural gas fountains...
 
Heres an email that was circulated amongst my department...


You may have heard the news in the last two days about the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig which caught fire, burned for two days, then
sank in 5,000 ft of water in the Gulf of Mexico. There are still 11 men missing, and they are not expected to be found.
The rig belongs to Transocean, the world’s biggest offshore drilling contractor. The rig was originally contracted through the year 2013 to
BP and was working on BP’s Macondo exploration well when the fire broke out. The rig costs about $500,000 per day to contract. The full
drilling spread, with helicopters and support vessels and other services, will cost closer to $1,000,000 per day to operate in the course of
drilling for oil and gas. The rig cost about $350,000,000 to build in 2001 and would cost at least double that to replace today.
The rig represents the cutting edge of drilling technology. It is a floating rig, capable of working in up to 10,000 ft water depth. The rig is
not moored; It does not use anchors because it would be too costly and too heavy to suspend this mooring load from the floating
structure. Rather, a triply-redundant computer system uses satellite positioning to control powerful thrusters that keep the rig on station
within a few feet of its intended location, at all times. This is called Dynamic Positioning.
The rig had apparently just finished cementing steel casing in place at depths exceeding 18,000 ft. The next operation was to suspend the
well so that the rig could move to its next drilling location, the idea being that a rig would return to this well later in order to complete the
work necessary to bring the well into production.
It is thought that somehow formation fluids – oil /gas – got into the wellbore and were undetected until it was too late to take action. With a
floating drilling rig setup, because it moves with the waves, currents, and winds, all of the main pressure control equipment sits on the
seabed – the uppermost unmoving point in the well. This pressure control equipment – the Blowout Preventers, or ‘BOP’s” as they’re
called, are controlled with redundant systems from the rig. In the event of a serious emergency, there are multiple Panic Buttons to hit,
and even fail-safe Deadman systems that should be automatically engaged when something of this proportion breaks out. None of them
were aparently activated, suggesting that the blowout was especially swift to escalate at the surface. The flames were visible up to about
35 miles away. Not the glow – the flames. They were 200 – 300 ft high.
All of this will be investigated and it will be some months before all of the particulars are known. For now, it is enough to say that this
marvel of modern technology, which had been operating with an excellent safety record, has burned up and sunk taking souls with it.
The well still is apparently flowing oil, which is appearing at the surface as a slick. They have been working with remotely operated
vehicles, or ROV’s which are essentially tethered miniature submarines with manipulator arms and other equipment that can perform work
underwater while the operator sits on a vessel. These are what were used to explore the Titanic, among other things. Every floating rig
has one on board and they are in constant use. In this case, they are deploying ROV’s from dedicated service vessels. They have been
trying to close the well in using a specialized port on the BOP’s and a pumping arrangement on their ROV’s. They have been unsuccessful
so far. Specialized pollution control vessels have been scrambled to start working the spill, skimming the oil up.
In the coming weeks they will move in at least one other rig to drill a fresh well that will intersect the blowing one at its pay zone. They will
use technology that is capable of drilling from a floating rig, over 3 miles deep to an exact specific point in the earth – with a target radius
of just a few feet plus or minus. Once they intersect their target, a heavy fluid will be pumped that exceeds the formation’s pressure, thus
causing the flow to cease and rendering the well safe at last. It will take at least a couple of months to get this done, bringing all available
technology to bear. It will be an ecological disaster if the well flows all of the while; Optimistically, it could bridge off downhole.
It’s a sad day when something like this happens to any rig, but even more so when it happens to something on the cutting edge of our
capabilities. The photos that follow show the progression of events over the 36 hours from catching fire to sinking.
 
Nuclear detonations are a whole different energy range than any chemical explosive. My thought is that pulverized rock and crushed steel would work as well in countering the pressure as kill fluid. And this could potentially be deployed much faster.

Civil engineering with nuclear detonations has been piloted in the past;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Plowshare

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_Explosions_for_the_National_Economy

Note that the second link shows that the Soviet Union used nuclear detonations to close off natural gas fountains...

I dont think the environmentalist would be to happy with a nuclear explosion going on. Even a small one.

But assuming you did get permission its no guarantee it would even work. There is fluid spewing out of the well so the only way to get it close to the well would be drill next to it or detonate it right on top assuming that the sunken rig didn't fall ontop of all the undersea pressure control systems.
 
Not helping. This is a catastrophe to the wildlife and economy of the region. If you haven't been keeping up on that, read up a little and come back here later.

If we can't even agree that a massive oil spill washing up on our shores, killing our wildlife, ruining millions of fishing and tourism jobs, and costing billions of dollars to clean up, is a VERY BAD THING, we should just welcome our new Chinese overlords now and be done with it


It isn't anything that hasn't been happening on a much larger scale for much longer than Mankind has been around to have any involvement in it.

Have you ever been to Santa Barbara, California? Have you ever walked along the beaches there? Many of the less-educated Santa Barbarans think that the oil industry is to blame for all the tar that washes up on the beaches, but they are very much mistaken. Long before Europeans came to this continent, the Chumash were using that tar to seal up their boats. And that tar was there long before the Chumash, or any other humans, were there to take any notice of it.

And in spite of the tar and oil on the ocean and washing up on the beaches, Santa Barbara has long had a very viable tourist industry, as well as a very viable fishing industry.
 
I dont think the environmentalist would be to happy with a nuclear explosion going on. Even a small one.

But assuming you did get permission its no guarantee it would even work. There is fluid spewing out of the well so the only way to get it close to the well would be drill next to it or detonate it right on top assuming that the sunken rig didn't fall ontop of all the undersea pressure control systems.

A 100 foot bore as close as possible to the well which you then pour hydrocement into as tamping after you insert the device. The energy will be transmitted to the well by the rock. As the pipe is a void there will be a concentration of stress at that spot, collapsing the bore.

Yes, no certainty that it would work, but I think a really good chance given the amount of energy we are talking about.
 
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It isn't anything that hasn't been happening on a much larger scale for much longer than Mankind has been around to have any involvement in it.

Have you ever been to Santa Barbara, California? Have you ever walked along the beaches there? Many of the less-educated Santa Barbarans think that the oil industry is to blame for all the tar that washes up on the beaches, but they are very much mistaken. Long before Europeans came to this continent, the Chumash were using that tar to seal up their boats. And that tar was there long before the Chumash, or any other humans, were there to take any notice of it.

And in spite of the tar and oil on the ocean and washing up on the beaches, Santa Barbara has long had a very viable tourist industry, as well as a very viable fishing industry.

I was born there, and this is not about tar. This is about a sudden onrush of crude oil into the marshes, fishing zones, barrier reefs, and tourist beaches. This is a dumb line of argument you've got going here. This is empirically bad. Can we get back on topic?

ETA: If any of this comes to pass, it would be impossible to say it would not be a catastrophe.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...3001788.html?hpid=topnews&sid=ST2010043001050
 
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We just had two mine accidents that killed workers. Both mines had hundreds of safety violations. The deadlier event occurred in a mine owned by a tea-bagger who denied union access and spent money lobbying Congress to ease regulation. He was on the record explaining that safety codes were an unnecessary burden on his business.

Now we have a massive oil disaster that could have been minimized if BP had built the rig up to international standards. The North Sea rigs have a remote control switch deeper in the shaft that can shut off the flow by remote.

Additionally, compare the Haiti earthquake (no building codes) to the significantly stronger Chilean earthquake (building codes).

Toss on our recent economic crisis, that happened in large part due to de-regulation and lax enforcement, and I have to ask how many times we need it shoved in our faces that laissez-faire, "free-market" BS is a horrible way to run the country?

End rant.
 
We just had two mine accidents that killed workers. Both mines had hundreds of safety violations. The deadlier event occurred in a mine owned by a tea-bagger who denied union access and spent money lobbying Congress to ease regulation. He was on the record explaining that safety codes were an unnecessary burden on his business.

Now we have a massive oil disaster that could have been minimized if BP had built the rig up to international standards. The North Sea rigs have a remote control switch deeper in the shaft that can shut off the flow by remote.

Additionally, compare the Haiti earthquake (no building codes) to the significantly stronger Chilean earthquake (building codes).

Toss on our recent economic crisis, that happened in large part due to de-regulation and lax enforcement, and I have to ask how many times we need it shoved in our faces that laissez-faire, "free-market" BS is a horrible way to run the country?

End rant.

Though I agree with you, I'm trying to keep this apolitical if at all possible. I'm still curious if a solution actually exists, or if instead we're going to see this oil gush for months into the gulf.
 
It isn't anything that hasn't been happening on a much larger scale for much longer than Mankind has been around to have any involvement in it.

Have you ever been to Santa Barbara, California? Have you ever walked along the beaches there? Many of the less-educated Santa Barbarans think that the oil industry is to blame for all the tar that washes up on the beaches, but they are very much mistaken. Long before Europeans came to this continent, the Chumash were using that tar to seal up their boats. And that tar was there long before the Chumash, or any other humans, were there to take any notice of it.

And in spite of the tar and oil on the ocean and washing up on the beaches, Santa Barbara has long had a very viable tourist industry, as well as a very viable fishing industry.

What a stupid argument. Fire has been around forever, but that doesn't mean a fire in my house is not a problem. First, it's damaging property and life that wouldn't have been there had it not already been a safe place to build. Second, it's an additional fire that didn't wouldn't have otherwise occurred were it not for the interference of man.

As for this:

This area naturally produces more hydrocarbon-based “pollution” in a day than mankind produces in a year. Yet somehow, the Earth and the environment has survived this.

Doesn't jive with this:

http://seeps.geol.ucsb.edu/
Reactive Organic Gas (ROG) emissions from the seeps include propane, butane and higher hydrocarbons. These gasses are precursors to air polluting ozone. ROG emissions from the gas seepage are estimated at 11 metric tons/day. ROG emissions from the seep oil are estimated at 8 metric tons/day. The total amount (19 tons/day) is approximately equal to ROGs emitted from vehicle exhaust in Santa Barbara County each day.

Maybe I'm not understanding your terminology, but you seem to be off by orders of magnitude.
 
Though I agree with you, I'm trying to keep this apolitical if at all possible. I'm still curious if a solution actually exists, or if instead we're going to see this oil gush for months into the gulf.

Yeah, sorry about that.

Every estimate I've seen lists months for finally stopping the link. This will be an unprecedented disaster. That region of the gulf has far more fish hatcheries, spawning areas, and sensitive areas than Alaska, and the Valdez was a nightmare.
 
Yeah, sorry about that.

Every estimate I've seen lists months for finally stopping the link. This will be an unprecedented disaster. That region of the gulf has far more fish hatcheries, spawning areas, and sensitive areas than Alaska, and the Valdez was a nightmare.

Not a problem. What was the method they suggested would take months?
 
As I understand it there are multiple holes in the riser which is the piece of pipe leading from the sea floor to the Rig. Apparently when the rig sank it broke off and is now leaking oil. Imagine a garden hose with holes in it, thats basically what is going on. Its still not clear why the BOPs did not activate and who knows.

Now Its sounds like a short term solution they are thinking about that I have heard is while they drill the kill well to have some sort of inverted cones or material placed over the leaks that would funnel the oil to the surface where it could accumulate and be collected.

Realistically the safest and most effective method to stop the well is to kill it with a second well. I have never even heard of explosives used by companies to stop blow outs. The risks are just to high and effectiveness is questionable at best.
 

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