Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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amb said:
Is masochism evidence that the N/T writers ''wrote'' the truth?
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I would say so. I mean, if martyrdum isn't maschocism writ large then I don't know what is.

So, if martyrdom = maschocism = evidence then participation in this thread = evidence :eek:
 
Helen said:
Well, it seems so. For instance: The N/T writers tell exactly the same story. Obviously evidence that they are telling The Truth! The N/T writers tell different stories. Even better evidence that they are telling The Truth!

I like it. Think I'll start using that kind of reasoning more often.
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I've always thought that theologians displayed barefaced cheek in calling them the ''synoptic'' gospels.
 
If Mark had copyrighted his gospel, Mathew, Luke and possibly John, would not have existed.
 
Helen said:
Well, it seems so. For instance: The N/T writers tell exactly the same story. Obviously evidence that they are telling The Truth! The N/T writers tell different stories. Even better evidence that they are telling The Truth!

I like it. Think I'll start using that kind of reasoning more often.
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That is the logic that believers employ.Sad,isn't it?
 
Lothian said:
Doc,

Despite the countless posts pointing out the fallacies you commit every time you mention the US presidents, your behaviour does not change. You either have a very poor grasp of logic or hope other do.
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So it is OK for someone in here to say Carl Sagan would think my NT evidence in post 11054 is nonsense but I can't mention that Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, and George W. Bush doesn't think it is nonsense.
 
dafydd said:
As a young man Abraham Lincoln wrote an anti-Christian tract.
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/john_remsburg/six_historic_americans/chapter_5.html

http://www.positiveatheism.org/hist/steinlinc.htm

"Mr. Lincoln was never a member of any Church, nor did he believe in the divinity of Christ, or the inspiration of the Scriptures in the sense understood by evangelical Christians." (Life of Lincoln, p. 486.)...
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Excerpt from Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address:

"...The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether." 3
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres32.html
 
DOC said:
So it is OK for someone in here to say Carl Sagan would think my NT evidence in post 11054 is nonsense but I can't mention that Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, and George W. Bush doesn't think it is nonsense.
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Yes, you have finally understood. Scientists talking about evidence is far more credible than politicians. It is their field of specialism. I was beginning think that you would never understand that the pointless references to American Presidents only demonstrate your ignorance. They do not provide Evidence for the New Testament writers telling the truth. You have finally got it. Great.

DOC said:
Excerpt from Lincoln's Second Inaugural Address:

"...The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether." 3
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations."

http://www.bartleby.com/124/pres32.html
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DOC said:
So it is OK for someone in here to say Carl Sagan would think my NT evidence in post 11054 is nonsense but I can't mention that Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, and George W. Bush doesn't think it is nonsense.
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Yes, because one has more than wishful thinking behind what he thinks.

Paul

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DOC, because they have to gets votes from people that think like you, they have to play the so-called god game, even if they don't believe like you do. Also they have to put it in terms you will understand, because without a so-called god behind those words, you guys will not give a good idea a snowball's change in hell to make it.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
Lothian said:
Yes, you have finally understood. Scientists talking about evidence is far more credible than politicians. It is their field of specialism.
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Scientists invent the nuclear bomb but politicians decide whether to use it.

And I guess you believe the former editor of the Harvard Law School newspaper, Barack Obama, doesn't understand evidence.


I was beginning think that you would never understand that the pointless references to American Presidents only demonstrate your ignorance. They do not provide Evidence for the New Testament writers telling the truth. You have finally got it...
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Actually I usually talk about presidents when people say or imply how stupid you have to be to believe in God or Christianity. If people stop saying that I'll probably stop referring to presidents, except maybe for Thomas Jefferson, who is a favorite of many skeptics.
 
Scientists invent the nuclear bomb but politicians decide whether to use it.
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:confused:


Actually I usually talk about presidents when people say or imply how stupid you have to be to believe in God or Christianity. If people stop saying that I'll probably stop referring to presidents, except maybe for Thomas Jefferson, who is a favorite of many skeptics.
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And, lest you forget, who very carefully avoided all the magic parts of the New Testament when he created the Jefferson Bible.
 
Elizabeth I said:
And, lest you forget, who very carefully avoided all the magic parts of the New Testament when he created the Jefferson Bible.
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Then one has to wonder why he included at least one verse with an angel, and several mentioning hell. Also he mentions a healing.
 
DOC said:
So it is OK for someone in here to say Carl Sagan would think my NT evidence in post 11054 is nonsense but I can't mention that Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter, and George W. Bush doesn't think it is nonsense.
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Almost...

It would be OK if you were to dispense with your futile, inane 'appeals to authority'

For example:
It's OK for anyone to say your NT evidence in post 11054 is nonsense

However, it is NOT OK for anyone (in a critical thinking discussion) to claim (without supporting evidence) that Barack Obama, Jimmy Carter and/or George W. Bush don't think it is nonsense​
 
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DOC said:
Then one has to wonder why he included at least one verse with an angel, and several mentioning hell. Also he mentions a healing.
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