How powerful is human immune system?

[ShareCures]

I also have this crazy notion that blue skies are blue and wet rain is wet. You can't claim people are "retarded" when they agree that an incurable disease is incurable.


Oh, and I read a few more testimonials, a couple of which also mentioned arm-pulling, and one of which was a cure done over the telephone. (He no longer has heartburn - will miracles never end?) Nice job on diagnosing somebody with Lyme disease and then instantly curing it - BRAVO! I bet if he went to his doctor, the doctor would never see even an indicator that this gentlemen ever suffered from Lyme disease. All traces would have magically disappeared! Give yourself an extra pat on the back, but make sure you don't swing your arms too hard, or you just might cure yourself of PMS.

YOU didn't read a thing. Had you read it you would be interested in cures instead of arguing. You are a brainwashed mindless consumer who probably believe your autoimmune is trying to kill you. I'm not impressed with you at all.

 

[Trent Wray]

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not deprived me of the cure for baldness for two years I would not have lost what I did.

Sir I think you are probably a ticking time bomb and a loose canon. I hope there is someone who can get you help before you possibly lose control of yourself completely and decide to act on your hostility towards the public at large in some form or fashion (outside your snake oil).

 

[D'rok]

Randy will not accept the claim. First of all Randy's pride will not let him acknowledge he has been duped. Second of all he is probable already bald and the cure has yet to prove it reverses the loss. I watch my hair very close to see if it is getting thicker and it is hard to tell. I have all the new micro find hairs but no real evidence that they are becoming anything more.

Besides you and Randy are trapped in medicine. Find me someone who still has hair but is starting to lose it by the hand fulls.

Randi is not the subject of the challenge. Nor is the challenge about being duped. Is that an admission that you dupe your clients?

Use one of your clients for the challenge. Preferably not one of the ones that your forgot to "reset", I guess.

 

[Sun Countess]

YOU didn't read a thing. Had you read it you would be interested in cures instead of arguing. You are a brainwashed mindless consumer who probably believe your autoimmune is trying to kill you. I'm not impressed with you at all.

What would give you that impression at all? FYI, I don't have any diseases, and I don't take any drugs. I've had antibiotics three times in my entire life.

What exactly do I suffer from that you would need to cure? Well, I am nearsighted and wear glasses. Can you cure myopia? Am I a mindless consumer who only suffers from bad eyesight because somebody sold me glasses?

If I don't suffer any conditions that need curing, will you make something up so that you can get my money too? (Maybe I have a secret case of Lyme disease.....)

 

[ShareCures]

You didn't answer my question.

Autoimmune disorder are often incurable.

How does the immune system cure itself?

I said your premise is retarded.

I think you are bonkers.

You didn't have a question, you had an argument and you believe the autoimmune is a killer.

You are as dumb as door stop. You believe there is no cure and I can prove there is a cure. What answer could I possible give a door stop that would seem reasonable? LOL YOU JUST TOLD US THE AUTOIMMUNE IS THE KILLER!

IS ANYONE SUSPICIOUS OF THAT? DO ALL OF YOU BELIEVE THE AUTOIMMUNE SYSTEM TURNS ON YOU AND KILLS YOU? I WANT SOME ANSWERS. I WANT 10 PEOPLE TO COMMIT TO WHETHER THEY BELIEVE THEIR AUTOIMMUNE CAN TURN ON THEM AND KILL THEM. THEN I WILL CONSIDER GIVING YOU MY OPINION SO YOU CAN COMPARE IT WITH THE OPINION OF MEDICINE WHO SAYS THE AUTOIMMUNE KILLS PEOPLE!

Now I am going to go outside and play for a few hours why you dinks chew on that.

Please let there be someone in this group who questions Tatyana's nonsense about the AUTOIMMUNE TURNING ON PEOPLE.

 

[TraneWreck]

IS ANYONE SUSPICIOUS OF THAT? DO ALL OF YOU BELIEVE THE AUTOIMMUNE SYSTEM TURNS ON YOU AND KILLS YOU? I WANT SOME ANSWERS. I WANT 10 PEOPLE TO COMMIT TO WHETHER THEY BELIEVE THEIR AUTOIMMUNE CAN TURN ON THEM AND KILL THEM. THEN I WILL CONSIDER GIVING YOU MY OPINION SO YOU CAN COMPARE IT WITH THE OPINION OF MEDICINE WHO SAYS THE AUTOIMMUNE KILLS PEOPLE!

Yes, autoimmune disorders can kill. They usually don't, but certain instances can be fatal.

But notice "fatality" is a tangential issue. There are plenty of incurable conditions that aren't fatal. There are a great many auto-immune disorders that are incurable, as of now, but are not fatal. Whether by intent or as a result of your perverse mind, you've altered the challenge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autoimmune_disease

 

[D'rok]

Personally, I THINK SCREAMING IN MAGENTA IS MUCH BETTER THAN BORING OLD RED OR BLUE!!!!!!!!!

 

[Robo Sapien]

I just added this to my blog:

Before the actual "cure" is performed, however, patients are instructed to go on a zero-carb diet for two weeks. Why? Because that is the duration of Phase 1 of the Atkins diet, in which benign dietary ketosis is induced. This forces the body to burn fat for energy, with known side effects of fatigue, mood swings and "brain fog." So we find that a key element of successful treatment is that his patient must not be thinking clearly. After this two week period, his patient returns to him feeling like complete ****, and he is able to dupe them into a placebo effect. But that isn't the real magic. Once the "cure" is performed, the patient is allowed to resume their normal diet. The sudden reappearance of carbs brings immediate relief of ketosis symptoms and the patient starts feeling a whole lot better, to which David does not hesitate to take credit.

 

[Nonpareil]

ShareCures, a few quick questions, if I may:

1. Do you accept the role of genetics in determining the properties of the human body?

2. Do you accept the possibility that genetic mutations in humans can be negative?

3. Do you accept that negative genetic mutations can affect the immune system?

4. If you answered "yes" to the above questions, what makes you think that a negative mutation cannot damage the immune system in such a way that it is incapable of defending the body, or so that it actively harms the body?

 

[Hokulele]

I think someone is deliberately trying to get banned from this forum so they can claim that the JREF is trying to suppress his information.

Martyrdom, I guess that is one way to spread a message...

 

[tsig]

Any cure is a happy ending which I am sure you meant.

Funny thing is, you want me to explain something that has been over looked for 100 years as if you are going to get it.

I've gone into one fairly detailed explanation that you can read and let me know what you do not understand.

NOW QUIT DISTRACTING THE DISCUSSION OF PROOF.

Lets get it on. You people can make me or break me. Find me people that want to be cured. There will be a short term diet of no carbs and no sugar for two or three weeks. If they can't do that they can't likely be cured.
I never said it was a miracle cure.

There goes the goalposts.

 

[tsig]

And now with the backtracking.

I'm afraid I'll soon read: "That person wasn't cured. But I knew they wouldn't be cured in advance. So I wasn't wrong, because I knew I'd be wrong."

Maybe he can regrow kidneys?

 

[tsig]

Right now you are doing everything in your power to protect your pride. You still won't explain how to trigger the immune system.

Somehow we have to be near you in person and it has something to do with ranching. And then you use sounds that don't mean anything but are still English words, at some point you mix athlete's foot medicine in a shampoo bottle, and that's it for cancer.

Now set up a clinical study.

Must be the smell of bull dung from the ranch that does it.

 

[Robo Sapien]

The True Cures method, outlined:

1. Instruct patient to eliminate carbs from diet for 2 weeks (read: Atkins Phase 1) to induce ketosis so that patient feels like absolute crap and cannot think clearly.
2. Collect fee up front and treat patient with placebo effect via "verbal commands"
3. Give them a lollipop so they feel better from the carb rush.
4. Take credit and record testimonial with non-disclosure agreement.
5. Encourage patient to pay additional $350 to become a practitioner.
6. Collect additional trickle-down monies from pyramid scheme.
7. Attempt to scavenge up more clients from JREF, get ass handed to you by smarter people.

 

[carlitos]

ShareCures, why don't you have someone pull your arm and cure you of your anger management issues? I hear it costs as low as $50.

 

[Trent Wray]

I think someone is deliberately trying to get banned from this forum so they can claim that the JREF is trying to suppress his information.

Martyrdom, I guess that is one way to spread a message...

When all else fails, self-destruct.

Maybe he can regrow kidneys?

Damn. I see the makings of a dynamic duo

ShareCures, why don't you have someone pull your arm and cure you of your anger management issues? I hear it costs as low as $50.

$ 39.99 if you act right now ...

 

[tsig]

Ah, sorry. I missed that post.



No, just how it can cure allergies. I don't care if it relates to something I have seen or heard about.



The problem is that they actually didn't cure these diseases. Even if they did, it shouldn't affect True Cures' results in the slightest, as your site states that True Cures is entirely separate from the rest of alternative medicine.



Or that alternative medicine is bunk.



Then can you prove this?



Applied kinesiology is also unproven, though. But I'm willing to disregard that.



I can tell you already that there is. This isn't something that you would be getting from a doctor, either. Even if I hadn't been formally diagnosed with asthma attacks brought on by cat dander, it would be fairly obvious, as my airway swells shut immediately after I get cat hair near my face.







How? That's what I've been trying to get you to explain this entire time.

I think How's playing right field.

 

[Trent Wray]

The True Cures method, outlined:

1. Instruct patient to eliminate carbs from diet for 2 weeks (read: Atkins Phase 1) to induce ketosis so that patient feels like absolute crap and cannot think clearly.
2. Collect fee up front and treat patient with placebo effect via "verbal commands"
3. Give them a lollipop so they feel better from the carb rush.
4. Take credit and record testimonial with non-disclosure agreement.
5. Encourage patient to pay additional $350 to become a practitioner.
6. Collect additional trickle-down monies from pyramid scheme.
7. Attempt to scavenge up more clients from JREF, get ass handed to you by smarter people.

Don't forget the Atari button "reset" he performs on them when they realize they've been duped.

 

[Trent Wray]

From his site:

In 2009 I attempted to adapt my 14 year old method of True Cures into a method more efficient. As a result I left almost all my clients in 2009 with a failing autoimmune, not because True Cures failed but because I simply skipped resetting it. I set the “autoimmune”, but that was the adaptation that did not effectively replace the 30 step method I used for 14 years that was and still proves to be 100% effective. (For the record, not one of you knew about fungus and the autoimmune, during my travels I felt setting your autoimmune was just a bonus for you. It wasn’t a bonus, it was crucial.)

Do you now provide instructions on how to reset the autoimmune .... or at least tell us how we can record and watch at the same time?

 

[carlitos]

Oh my, he found some hypochondriac suckers to fly him to Sweden. That is sad.

"I found True Cures / David when I was surfing around on the site CureZone, looking for a way to treat my symptoms coming from what I suspected to be parasites.

I had been doing several things to treat my condition, everything from detoxing, anti-parasite cleansings, emotional therapy, thetahealing therapy and taking prescribed meds from a doctor etc.

I am trained in several alternative therapies and only one of them worked with some of my symptoms.

My different symptoms had been going on for several years, some of them disappeared with bioresonance therapy (backpain, numbness and tingling in my hands, legs and feet)

At the time I contacted David I had all kinds of symptoms that were moving around in my body, I took a huge amount of vitamins and minerals. Since it was to expensive for me to travel to David I got the idea that I could bring him to my clinic here in Sweden. So I had about 20 people that wanted to "try" TC for a very cheap coin, and 2 friends that wanted to be trained in True Cures. So we all paid together for Davids visit, his flights from Idaho to Sweden and a place to stay in and food for 2 weeks. David found that my auto-immune was malfunctioning and I had all kinds of living organisms (parasites, bacterias, viruses, fungus and molds) that needed to be eliminated. He also found Lyme Disease (coming from Borrelia) and that was the only thing still left when David flew home. Fortunately I got the training from David to treat myself and others with TC, so I continued treating this Lyme after he left because I got switched a lot in the beginning and that caused the Lyme to repopulate again. From being labeled as a hypochondriac I now understand where all my symptoms came from.I had this for about 23 years...no wonder all my symptoms started when I was around 13 years old...

Now I am treating myself, my family and people that are willing to go through the small changes in their life-pattern that is required. Since I am getting fungus and viruses now and then, from my dogs or from other clients.

I am happy that I took the training so I can treat myself whenever I want."

ETA - is the consistently poor grammar in both Mr. Flowers' postings and his "testimonials" a coincidence, or perhaps a commentary on the Payette school system?