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How powerful is human immune system?

Do you think the body can cure itself of incurable diseases?

  • yes

    Votes: 8 5.7%
  • no

    Votes: 133 94.3%

  • Total voters
    141
Right. That is where you and medicine is wrong. Diabetes is a pathogenic disease and the vaccinations for cattle though created to reach specific pathogens will reach other pathogens. Of course that isn't the case with cattle and diabetes. The medicine may not be labeled to prevent diabetes but rest assured it YOU personally treated cattle the same as you treat horsed or house pets THEY WILL GET DIABETES.

That is why cattle do not get diabetes. They are vaccinated against it.


Hey, I thought you worshipped me! Now I'm all wrong. I'm offended.

You wouldn't mind telling us about this pathogen that causes diabetes? The one we're vaccinating cattle against?

Would that be the same pathogen we vaccinate sheep against? Except we vaccinate sheep against sheep diseases and cattle against cattle diseases, and we don't use the same vaccine on cattle and sheep. Sheep don't get diabetes either.

Oh, and I specialise in diagnosis. I have little interest in therapeutics. I leave that to my colleagues.

Rolfe.
 
Because they will have to pay you $50 a pop for it. :rolleyes:

How much have you paid me? Nothing. I don't charge anything for the truth. I only charge people for cures and you begrudge me while you worship the doctor who turns you away to live with your disease and a life time prescription.

Funny how you all have claimed I am crazy. LOL If people knew about True Cures they would be willing to pay thousands to be cured, the only obstacle in the way is the creeps trying to say that a cow is diabetes free because it is superior to all other life and not because it is vaccinated against it!

:D
 
I agree but for me to give a cow diabetes would be exposing the cause of diabetes
Yes. That's the point. We have a vet saying cows cannot get diabetes. You claim they can. Therefore you can prove Rolfe incorrect by giving a cow diabetes. Understand?
and that cannot be revealed and what medicine is protecting in the first place.
And you will be the hero who exposes the conspiracy. Fame and fortune will be yours! What possible reason can you have for not providing this simple proof that will change the world?
You see guys, diabetes is suppose to be too complicated for you all to understand. When in reality it is nothing but a little itty bitty pathogen that cattle vaccination eliminates. But I'm up for it if you can find someone willing to let the cat out of the bag in regards to diabetes. I'm game!
I don't understand what you mean. You are claiming you know the truth about bovine diabetes, what does this "someone willing to let the cat out of the bag" need to do?
 
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Wrong, you teach people how to look after animals in a way that it benefits you and veterinarian medicine and you are more than likely completely unaware of it.

As far as using the products from ranch supply stores only, maybe you are right and occasionally some new pathogen enters a heard but it is not unusual for a rancher or farmer to go years without veterinarian support.

My point is still accurate though. Idaho and Oregon ranchers, not horsemen rarely need vets. Also the best of them can keep their dogs disease free with the same livestock medicine and YOU KNOW it.

I'm am well aware that all this is potentially harmful to you and your business but you need to start warming up to it.

I'm not the original person to figure it all out I'm just the first person who is unwilling to corrupt it and turn it into a medicine. :) I would just as soon people know the truth.


Do you think vaccines can just be bought from agricultural merchants? (Aren't they POM in the USA?)

I told you. I specialise in diagnosis. I have no interest in therapeutics. Changing therapeutic approaches don't really affect me at all.

Oh, and I told you, I work for an agricultural college. I don't have a business.

Bit off more than you bargained for here, didn't you.

Rolfe.
 
Yes, because you won't, or can't, explain them to me.

C'mon, he'll explain 'em! Got $350?

He'll not just explain how he just ripped you off but he'll explain how you can rip off others so you don't SPEND $350 but EARN $50 every time one of his trained trainers trains trainees!



Ooops.... just saw Rolfe's in the house. And Linda, too! Ladies! Ladies! Don't make too much of a mess, okay. Jeff comes in on Sundays to clean up and hates it when you chew up homeopaths and quacks and spit them out all over the carpet in the doctor's lounge!
 
You see guys, diabetes is suppose to be too complicated for you all to understand. When in reality it is nothing but a little itty bitty pathogen that cattle vaccination eliminates. But I'm up for it if you can find someone willing to let the cat out of the bag in regards to diabetes. I'm game!


Now that's priceless. Is it Stundie material? I'm game to try....

SC, what diseases are cattle vaccinated against? Can you list them?

Do you know that some farmers don't vaccinate at all? Especially organic farmers. How come their cattle don't have diabetes?

(This should be good....)

Rolfe.
 
“TC, if you can see into this explanation it may give you further insight as to why you are correct about being able to "cure" yourself. However, if it is too off topic for your likes then just let me know and I will remove it. Please do not take this as me telling anyone the way things are, it is just my educated experience and like everything else should always be subject to self scrutiny.
Human beings use all 5 senses to experience the physical world but that world is less than half of the "equation" of existence. Electromagnetic radiation is the energy of physical existence; vacuum energy is the energy of consciousness. Both exist simultaneously however physical beings can only use their senses to detect electromagnetic "radiation" (out flowing energy). The vacuum of space appears empty because we cannot sense vacuum energy. If we could then the vacuum of space would appear completely "full". Vacuum energy has a form and geometry and is best envisioned as the infinite division of 1. For example, all physical existence is mainly 99% space and the rest is vortextually spinning light. All vortex lead to SINGULARITY at the center, from there you cross a boundary into the vacuum energy or division of singularity (1).
This is where all of the energy of creation comes from. Every atom in the universe vortextually spins and has singularity at its core which is what connects everything in the universe. When singularity "radiates" energy it "steps" out of 1 and becomes 2 and 3 and 4 and so on to what you can now "sense" as the expanding universe. But 2 and 3 and 4, etc. are not "within" 1 they are thrust out of and separate from 1 and that is what gives all physical beings the "sense" of individuality and separation. This vacuum energy explains "insight" "imagination" "intuition" "emotion" "gravity", the strong and weak nuclear forces, wormholes, etc; all things that are experienced but not sensed or seen.
Everything in physical existence has a whole other aspect to its existence that it cannot "sense" which is why it feels cut off from the reality it experiences. But everything in existence also exhibits "radiation" and "vacuum" energy simultaneously. Physical existence is simply consciousness "experiencing" or "looking" at itself as an "inverse" of its actual reality which is vacuum. Zen: in the "vacuum" the "vacuum" is not "vacuum". That is why you have a "mind" (which is not the physical interface called the brain, the brain is the CPU that coordinates all physical functions, your mind experiences physical reality through the point of singularity in every atom of your body, not exclusively through your brain) and this mind you have has no physical properties or limitations because it is "vacuum" energy, not physical electromagnetic energy.
That is why you have and use your mind for everything but cannot easily explain what it is. You cannot directly sense it with physical senses and you cannot directly explain it with physical concepts, it is not physical, it is vacuum, and therefore if you want to know where your "mind" and the "spirit" world are, look around at empty space that permeates all of the universe even micro millimeters in front of you and throughout you for that matter, it permeates everything and our physical bodies are its inverse. Every prophet and spiritual sage has instructed man that the kingdom of heaven is "within". Within what? Within the "atom", beyond singularity! Meditation stills the electromagnetic existence so that the subtle but infinitely expansive and powerful vacuum energy can be experienced and tapped. Mind and matter interface at singularity....
Incidentally, this is why no one can "see" God. This is also why science bangs its head against the wall when trying to formulate a "theory of everything". Science can only measure the effects of things as electromagnetic radiation or physicality; it does not recognize or account for the "vacuum energy observer" (at least officially). Up until very recently they treated all matter as "dead" or in other words, science is aware of the issue of the "observer" and the Heisenberg uncertainty principle, but will not know the true nature of why matter and even fundamentally, the electron, behaves the way it does until it acknowledges and studies the "vacuum".
This is the "forgotten knowledge" often whispered about. the "golden age" predicted to be occurring soon by just about everyone it seems, is not alien invasion, it is not Armageddon, it is not global catastrophe, it is not alien disclosure, that leads to everything looking golden, or everyone just being nice, or everyone having an unlimited supply of gold. The prediction was quite literal, the golden age is just that, the age of the golden ratio, phi, the structure and geometry of vacuum energy and the paradigm shift in life that will occur when it is acknowledged, studied, and utilized..... (very soon) there will be an admission/disclosure/recognition by the worlds governments that vacuum energy is not only the truth and behind all existence but that they have actually known and tapped it for some time and it has been deliberately held from the consciousness of the general population because when they admit this it will bring about a paradigm shift in the consciousness and reality of every individual. We will have to completely reformulate our very way of life and it is going to infinitely empower every individual and ruin current monopolies that rely on the stress of the individual feeling separate and the incorrect notion that energy is limited, wasted, and has to be supplied and paid for.
The truth was deliberately misconstrued, "Jesus" isn't going to come to you, you will be able to go to "him".
Hey TC, glad I could help. Sorry we got off on the wrong foot but it is great to see things turn out good. :-) It was interesting to hear you talk about pineal parasites. I did not know it was possible but I will look into it and this is why it is so important. [This was his response to my claim that almost every pineal gland in the world is parasitic.]
The Pineal gland is paramount to our remembering the "golden knowledge" that will return us to "reality". The reason has to do with the geometry of the "vacuum" energy. Which I will not fully explain here but in short happens to be fundamentally the tetrahedron. Everything else formed is a composite of multiple tetrahedrons which forms all other sacred geometrical shapes. The primary geometry of electromagnetic radiation is the sphere, which is why it is predominantly used in physical reality; the primary geometry of the vacuum is the tetrahedron.
The pineal gland, as you can easily verify on the web, has rods and cones just like the physical eye, however it is not exposed to physical reality, it is shielded from it in the center of your brain, it is given the largest supply of blood of any organ in your body, and it houses a sac of - water -. Water's chemical composition is H2O, duh, but water's geometric shape is..... tetrahedral..... the pineal is the gland we were supplied to "sense" vacuum energy, our spiritual selves..... water, because of its geometry, has the ability to invert between realities and the pineal gland can use it as a physical catalyst to sense and interact with the vacuum.
Every spiritual tradition uses, alludes to, or has hidden symbolism for the pineal gland. It is the single eye, the eye of "god", the "gateway", etc, etc. It allows your consciousness, when properly exercised, to cross the barrier of singularity.
For Christians, in the beginning of the bible when the true nature and name of God is mentioned, God is called tetragrammatron - tetra for gods form *tetrahedral* and grammatron for gods nature or perceived force in physical reality *gravity*. If the Christian bible is correct and we were created in "Gods" image then we would exhibit that trait in our own bodies..... and we do at the center and as the structure of every atom in our bodies and throughout physical space for that matter. Is it any coincidence that "Adam" (atom) was the first physical creation of "god". Eve (electron) or the "rib" of atom was created to allow physical procreation (chemical bonding) in order to experience physicality (eating the apple of knowledge, awareness of physicality, "thrust" out of the garden of Eden (vacuum energy beyond singularity) (2,3,4,5 etc all the way to astounding numbers like 1 x 10^45 etc.... )
The pineal is in trouble due to atrophy, chemical poisoning through halide fluoridation of our water supply, and general dismissal or lack of acknowledgment and cultivation through society.
I am way off topic now so I will apologize and quit. Thanks again for your knowledge as well.”

Nominated for the pith. :eye-poppi
 
Hey, I thought you worshipped me! Now I'm all wrong. I'm offended.

You wouldn't mind telling us about this pathogen that causes diabetes? The one we're vaccinating cattle against?

Would that be the same pathogen we vaccinate sheep against? Except we vaccinate sheep against sheep diseases and cattle against cattle diseases, and we don't use the same vaccine on cattle and sheep. Sheep don't get diabetes either.

Oh, and I specialise in diagnosis. I have little interest in therapeutics. I leave that to my colleagues.

Rolfe.

OH it is getting interesting. Maybe "worship" was a little over doing it but I really do appreciate your participation. When I wreck medicine here with your help I hope you will forgive me.

OK. You wouldn't be suggesting that there is a difference from cattle disease, sheep disease and human disease would you? No of course not you wouldn't make that mistake.

Why don't you tell me what pathogen causes diabetes and which active ingredient in which medication is the one responsible keeping livestock other than horsed diabetes free. You are the professional. ;)

It could be parasites that are known to reside in the pancreas and those parasites would be what.....................................? :)

Find out what active ingredient keeps sheep and cattle from getting diabetes and you know the cure for diabetes. Let me know if you need more help. I don't think you do. Besides I know you are enjoying this as much as I am and I don't want to interrupt what you are experiencing now. You never know, you might be just like me and in fifteen years you may be providing cures for house pets that are said to be incurable. Once you realize why beef and sheep are diabetes free and that all animals and humans can be diabetes free you may slip past the point of no return as I did.
 
Funny how you all have claimed I am crazy. LOL If people knew about True Cures they would be willing to pay thousands to be cured, the only obstacle in the way is the creeps trying to say that a cow is diabetes free because it is superior to all other life and not because it is vaccinated against it!


But you worship me! How can I be a creep?

Which cattle vaccine protects against diabetes? How come cattle which don't get that vaccine don't get diabetes? How come sheep don't get diabetes when they don't get any of the vaccines cattle get?

Rolfe.
 
OH it is getting interesting. Maybe "worship" was a little over doing it but I really do appreciate your participation. When I wreck medicine here with your help I hope you will forgive me.

OK. You wouldn't be suggesting that there is a difference from cattle disease, sheep disease and human disease would you? No of course not you wouldn't make that mistake.


Of course they're different.

You tell me why cattle get acetonaemia and people don't?

Why don't you tell me what pathogen causes diabetes and which active ingredient in which medication is the one responsible keeping livestock other than horsed diabetes free. You are the professional. ;)


No pathogen has ever been implicated in the aetiology of diabetes, type I or type II, in any species.

It could be parasites that are known to reside in the pancreas and those parasites would be what.....................................? :)


Don't tell me Hulda Clark has been resurrrected! You're not going to sell us all a Synchrotron, are you?

There are no parasites that colonise the pancreas.

Find out what active ingredient keeps sheep and cattle from getting diabetes and you know the cure for diabetes. Let me know if you need more help. I don't think you do. Besides I know you are enjoying this as much as I am and I don't want to interrupt what you are experiencing now. You never know, you might be just like me and in fifteen years you may be providing cures for house pets that are said to be incurable. Once you realize why beef and sheep are diabetes free and that all animals and humans can be diabetes free you may slip past the point of no return as I did.


This is hilarious, but it's way past my bed-time.

Don't go away.

Rolfe.
 
But you worship me! How can I be a creep?

Which cattle vaccine protects against diabetes? How come cattle which don't get that vaccine don't get diabetes? How come sheep don't get diabetes when they don't get any of the vaccines cattle get?

Rolfe.

Are you really going to play stupid? Come on be better than that. Maybe you can't say? Did you sign something that said you will not divulge certain information critical to protect medicine from cures?

You know as well as I do if go to D&B or Tractor Supply and compare sheep vaccines with cattle vaccines many of the active ingredients especially the ones that eliminate pancreatic flukes are the same.

Just so everyone knows, Rolfe is suggesting that cattle and sheep are not vaccinated for diabetes. I can't pick on her for being stupid because the labels have changed and no longer mention the treatment of diabetes causing pathogens and parasites as they once did.

At one time the labels make it clear that they eliminated pancreatic parasites but when people made the connection between diabetes and parasites the labels changed.

Sheep and cattle vaccinations treat all parasites in all organs including the pancreas and this is why sheep and cattle or diabetes free.
 
Of course they're different.

You tell me why cattle get acetonaemia and people don't?




No pathogen has ever been implicated in the aetiology of diabetes, type I or type II, in any species.




Don't tell me Hulda Clark has been resurrrected! You're not going to sell us all a Synchrotron, are you?

There are no parasites that colonise the pancreas.




This is hilarious, but it's way past my bed-time.

Don't go away.

Rolfe.

LOL Find me an 80 year old veterinarian and he will tell you about parasites in the pancreas. NO ORGAN ON ANY ANIMAL OR HUMAN IS IMMUNE TO PARASITES OR PATHOGENS.

Don't go there it is too easy for people to cut up animals and look at a pancreas. You show me a cat who died of diabetes and I will show you fungus and or parasites in a pancreas.

Make it legal for family to see what killed their loved ones and there will be no more disease either. If a person could get a look at the pancreas of their family member who just passed away because of diabetes everything will change and medicine will be done immediately.
 
Ding Ding Ding! Who called Hulda Clark? Someone up above named that tune in five notes! Excellent! Tell 'em what they've won, Don Pardo.

Not surprisingly, every mention of pancreatic flukes and/or pancreatic parasites is from Herbs R Us dot org, Hulda is God dot com, or something similar.

ShareCures, go away! You are a dangerous quack and this kind of crud might work on pyramid power worshiper sites, but you're trying to argue this with doctors and scientists (neither of which am I - I'm a lay person just like you, so obviously much more qualified than any of these sciencey doctory types, eh).

I hope our reporting and letter-writing campaign shuts your lying butt down. It may seem that some of this is in all good fun, but it isn't. Many of us are deadly serious. Bogus medal practitioners kill people. That's "kill", as in "dead". That is a serious condition and you cannot learn from your mommy how to get your immune system to fix it once you've got it because, well... you're dead.

Please do not abuse the JREF's hospitality to come in here and peddle death.

Your advice is deadly. It is not a joke. You are not clever, cute, or amusing. You are dangerous.
 
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There are no parasites that colonise the pancreas.

This is hilarious, but it's way past my bed-time.

Don't go away.

Rolfe.

http://books.google.com/books?id=lY-ONN2-SM8C&pg=PA512&lpg=PA512&dq=sheep+pancreatic+flukes&source=bl&ots=z36ybpW-wt&sig=hFg6olOWL288o5qBzBNP6VeVaRo&hl=en&ei=353bS9HTBILY8ATFha2kBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CCkQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sheep%20pancreatic%20flukes&f=false

That is one link to pancreatic flukes in goats. 20 years ago you could research on the internet many types of parasites known to colonize the pancreas.

They have either been removed or they are so far lost in all the gimmick parasite cleanses that they may never be seen again, lost knowledge. But it didn't take two minutes for me to confirm pancreatic parasites in goats. :)

The plain fact is cattle and sheep are vaccinated for the parasites in the link above and as such cattle and sheep are free of diabetes. If medicine was no so corrupt people would be vaccinated with the same vaccine.
 
LOL Find me an 80 year old veterinarian and he will tell you about parasites in the pancreas. NO ORGAN ON ANY ANIMAL OR HUMAN IS IMMUNE TO PARASITES OR PATHOGENS.

Don't go there it is too easy for people to cut up animals and look at a pancreas. You show me a cat who died of diabetes and I will show you fungus and or parasites in a pancreas.

Make it legal for family to see what killed their loved ones and there will be no more disease either. If a person could get a look at the pancreas of their family member who just passed away because of diabetes everything will change and medicine will be done immediately.

http://books.google.com/books?id=lY-ONN2-SM8C&pg=PA512&lpg=PA512&dq=sheep+pancreatic+flukes&source=bl&ots=z36ybpW-wt&sig=hFg6olOWL288o5qBzBNP6VeVaRo&hl=en&ei=353bS9HTBILY8ATFha2kBw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=7&ved=0CCkQ6AEwBg#v=onepage&q=sheep%20pancreatic%20flukes&f=false

I bet you are having trouble getting your foot out of your mouth! :D

You can't dismiss a hundred years of parasite research because you disagree with Hulda Clark you dink. Hulda Clark did one thing right an one thing only, she made the connection between parasites and humans something medicine ignores and as such leave your dumb ass susceptible to diabetes and I mean that in the nicest way. :D

Parasites in relation to animal disease is well documented as in the link above Clark just pointed out the fact that your dumb ass is also an animal. Her treatments where and are 100% placebo and for the most part pretty much useless but cattle and sheep dewormer will be effective if taken in the right dose! It will dang sure work better than the "zapper". Check with your doctor for the right dose! :D
 
I'll just drop all this off here again for ShareCures to respond to when he stops talking to himself...
I agree but for me to give a cow diabetes would be exposing the cause of diabetes
Yes. That's the point. We have a vet saying cows cannot get diabetes. You claim they can. Therefore you can prove Rolfe incorrect by giving a cow diabetes. Understand?
and that cannot be revealed and what medicine is protecting in the first place.
And you will be the hero who exposes the conspiracy. Fame and fortune will be yours! What possible reason can you have for not providing this simple proof that will change the world?
You see guys, diabetes is suppose to be too complicated for you all to understand. When in reality it is nothing but a little itty bitty pathogen that cattle vaccination eliminates. But I'm up for it if you can find someone willing to let the cat out of the bag in regards to diabetes. I'm game!
I don't understand what you mean. You are claiming you know the truth about bovine diabetes, what does this "someone willing to let the cat out of the bag" need to do?
 
I'll just drop all this off here again for ShareCures to respond to when he stops talking to himself...

Yes. That's the point. We have a vet saying cows cannot get diabetes. You claim they can. Therefore you can prove Rolfe incorrect by giving a cow diabetes. Understand?

And you will be the hero who exposes the conspiracy. Fame and fortune will be yours! What possible reason can you have for not providing this simple proof that will change the world?

I don't understand what you mean. You are claiming you know the truth about bovine diabetes, what does this "someone willing to let the cat out of the bag" need to do?

No you missed the point. Medicine has avoided showing you the cause and the cure for diabetes for 100 years.

I have been trying to expose the conspiracy for fifteen years, you aren't going as easy as you might think but you can help.

What we need to do is take a cow and cut them off of all vaccines for their whole life and leave them to the same miserable existence as all cows but we will have to inject them with the pathogens that causes diabetes which might be tricky because like Rolfe medicine refuses to admit that diabetes is a disease caused by pathogens.

Or we could take, say a cat that has been diagnosed with diabetes and open it up and see what is in the pancreas. That would be a lot easier. Poor kitty and this might really upset Pure who wants to be cured of cat allergies so she or he can pet their cat.

Why don't we start with something even easier. Why don't you challenge my claims that you can cures diabetes? Or we can get the cow. Rolfe isn't going to dispute my claims any more. She knows about pancreatic flukes and she knows why cattle and sheep do not get diabetes she was just testing me.

But I welcome any help I can get if you want to give a cow diabetes lets get it going.
 
No you missed the point. Medicine has avoided showing you the cause and the cure for diabetes for 100 years.
So you claim. We're still waiting on your proof of this.
I have been trying to expose the conspiracy for fifteen years, you aren't going as easy as you might think but you can help.
I don't understand what "you aren't going as easy as you might think" means. It's gibberish.
What we need to do is take a cow and cut them off of all vaccines for their whole life and leave them to the same miserable existence as all cows but we will have to inject them with the pathogens that causes diabetes which might be tricky because like Rolfe medicine refuses to admit that diabetes is a disease caused by pathogens.
So go do it.
Or we could take, say a cat that has been diagnosed with diabetes and open it up and see what is in the pancreas. That would be a lot easier. Poor kitty and this might really upset Pure who wants to be cured of cat allergies so she or he can pet their cat.
SO GO DO IT.
Why don't we start with something even easier. Why don't you challenge my claims that you can cures diabetes?
I am challenging your claims. You're spouting utter rubbish that flies in the face of everything we know about medicine based on research and experimentation.
Or we can get the cow. Rolfe isn't going to dispute my claims any more. She knows about pancreatic flukes and she knows why cattle and sheep do not get diabetes she was just testing me.
So prove her wrong. Give a cow diabetes.
But I welcome any help I can get if you want to give a cow diabetes lets get it going.
It's not up to me to prove your claims. You say a cow can get diabetes. Do it then. I repeat: you will be the hero who exposes the conspiracy. Fame and fortune will be yours! What possible reason can you have for not providing this simple proof that will change the world?
 

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