How powerful is human immune system?

[Professor Yaffle]

My niece hadn't been conditioned to accept medicine, she was born with the deformed heart. Why didn't her body just cure it while she was still in the womb?

 

[Professor Yaffle]

If illness is caused by people being conditioned to accept medicine, then why did medicineappear in the first place? Before medicine there would have been no illnesses to cure so no need to develop medicine.

 

[paximperium]

There we go, it is known that the body can cure diseases said to be incurable. Often the cures are linked to placebo treatments.

They are rare indeed but why are they rare? I suggest it is because people are educated to accept medicine, medicine's word and lies which has lead people to totally disregard their natural immune response and it's intended functions of what........................immunity.

People do not use their immune response and as such they do not use all their natural capabilities and as such they do not use 100% of their brain.

There is no incurable disease only incurable people.

So do tell about how your immune pseudo-nonsense can be used to cure an aortic dissection or how about Down's Syndrome? Or perhaps Sickle Cell Disease? Or how about Fulminant Hepatitis B? Or gangrene? Do tell.

 

[PixyMisa]

"western medicine" can probably be easiest defined as all medicine governed and powered by pharmaceutical companies. You know use a drug to control signs and symptoms but be damn sure you don't cure the disease.

Antibiotics. You fail.

 

[ShareCures]

So that's a no in curing an actual incurable disease.
That is called a logical fallacy or in the real world, plain old nonsense.
Nah. The patient is fine. Saved his life. He has a nice Gortex aorta at the moment. Nothing beats real medicine.
How cute. Are you claiming you can cure a Grade 4 subarachnoid hemorrhage with cerebral herniation too?

No I am saying you personally don't use 100% of your brain. I'm saying you don't want people to know they can use 100% of their brain to improve their health and cure diseases YOU can't cure.

I'm saying you are scared of the truth and nothing I can say to you will make you even remotely interested in the body's natural ability to engage its own immune system and response in order to eliminate diseases caused by pathogens even disease said to be incurable.

For the record, the body can cure diseases said to be incurable if the body uses it's immune system and response as intended.

 

[bluesjnr]

 

[devnull]

"western medicine" can probably be easiest defined as all medicine governed and powered by pharmaceutical companies. You know use a drug to control signs and symptoms but be damn sure you don't cure the disease.

...and there we have it.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

Go on then, enlighten us.

How exactly would the immune system fix a structural defect, for example a single ventricle heart condition?

 

[paximperium]

No I am saying you personally don't use 100% of your brain. I'm saying you don't want people to know they can use 100% of their brain to improve their health and cure diseases YOU can't cure.

Reality falsifies your claim. Name a single part of the brain that is not used.

I'm saying you are scared of the truth and nothing I can say to you will make you even remotely interested in the body's natural ability to engage its own immune system and response in order to eliminate diseases caused by pathogens even disease said to be incurable.

Sorry. But please stop projecting your own insecurities at others. People actually are educated in the nonsense you are spewing.

For the record, the body can cure diseases said to be incurable if the body uses it's immune system and response as intended.

So your claim that it can cure incurable diseases is false.

 

[PixyMisa]

No I am saying you personally don't use 100% of your brain. I'm saying you don't want people to know they can use 100% of their brain to improve their health and cure diseases YOU can't cure.

Every part of this is factually false, sorry. It's also a logical fallacy, the appeal to motive.

I'm saying you are scared of the truth and nothing I can say to you will make you even remotely interested in the body's natural ability to engage its own immune system and response in order to eliminate diseases caused by pathogens even disease said to be incurable.

Appeal to motive.

For the record, the body can cure diseases said to be incurable if the body uses it's immune system and response as intended.

Evidence?

 

[IXP]

I suggest that you do not use 100% of your brain and if you have diseases that PROVES it.

I must have missed one or two steps in this proof. Would you care to elaborate?

IXP

 

[ShareCures]

So do tell about how your immune pseudo-nonsense can be used to cure an aortic dissection or how about Down's Syndrome? Or perhaps Sickle Cell Disease? Or how about Fulminant Hepatitis B? Or gangrene? Do tell.

Are you having problems with your own superiority? I'm not concerned with curing aortic dissection, down's syndrome sickle cell disease.

I'm concerned with curing the underlying cause for them and preventing the permanent damage you must work with, and god bless you for helping these people but you could have helped prevent them if you were inclined to put less importance on yourself and your title and more emphasis on the truth.

 

[paximperium]

...and there we have it.

Just about.
Back to a more relevant point.
The mind/brain does have an effect on the immune system. Partially from hormonal and some specialized endocrine functions of the brain. A severe depressed person with significant stress hormones(cortisol being one of them) can lead to a depressed immune function.

However, the immune system is basically autonomous. You can place someone under full anesthesia and shut down the brain and the immune system with chug along just fine without it.

 

[fls]

"western medicine" can probably be easiest defined as all medicine governed and powered by pharmaceutical companies.

Oh. I'm a physician and I don't know anyone who practices "western medicine", then. Isn't it kind of pointless to ask about a form of medicine that probably nobody here practices or has little contact with?

Your immune system deals with the vast majority of problems thrown at it. Only a few slip through - most of which can be prevented, cured, treated or managed by medicine in its current form (not "western medicine"), and presumably more as medicine progresses. There are also many conditions which the immune system has no effect on - an aortic dissection would serve as a good example.

You know use a drug to control signs and symptoms but be damn sure you don't cure the disease.

There are many drugs which cure disease. Antibiotics cure infections. Chemotherapy cures cancer. Vitamin supplements cure deficiency syndromes. Corticosteroids cure glomerulonephritis. Immunosuppressive drugs cure Wegener's. The list goes on.

Linda

 

[Philosaur]

BINGO! Thanks for staying on topic.

You mean "Thanks for saying something I could misconstrue as agreement."

Disagreement and being off-topic are different things.

There we go, it is known that the body can cure diseases said to be incurable. Often the cures are linked to placebo treatments.

They are rare indeed but why are they rare? I suggest it is because people are educated to accept medicine, medicine's word and lies which has lead people to totally disregard their natural immune response and it's intended functions of what........................immunity.

People do not use their immune response and as such they do not use all their natural capabilities and as such they do not use 100% of their brain.

There is no incurable disease only incurable people.

I'm waiting for the sales pitch:

"And I can tell you how to access your brain's NATURAL healing ability for a small donation to my Expose the Lies of Western Medicine Foundation..."

 

[paximperium]

Are you having problems with your own superiority? I'm not concerned with curing aortic dissection, down's syndrome sickle cell disease.

I kind of got that.

I'm concerned with curing the underlying cause for them and preventing the permanent damage you must work with, and god bless you for helping these people but you could have helped prevent them if you were inclined to put less importance on yourself and your title and more emphasis on the truth.

Emphasis on the truth is why I find your simplistic uneducated claims insulting.

 

[Professor Yaffle]

OK then, how would the immune system go about curing the underlying cause of a congenital heart deformity, or sickle cell disease?

Please, I really want you to educate me.

 

[ShareCures]

I must have missed one or two steps in this proof. Would you care to elaborate?

IXP

Though it has been ignored completely the body has the ability to eliminate all pathogens and because disease is not genetic pathogens are the only cause of disease. If you eliminate pathogens before the cause irreversible damage there is no need for the doc above.

The only thing between a disease and a cure is the same thing that gets between any one and a task they do or do not do. The only thing preventing someone from curing a disease said to be incurable is the lack of applying oneself appropriately.

You have the natural design to cure any pathogen and because diseases thought to be genetic are indeed diseases brought on by pathogens passed from one generation to the next often in the womb these diseases can be cured to. One must use what they have been designed with and that means using SOMETHING YOU HAVE NOT USED IN THE PAST.

 

[Harry Lime Juice]

You know use a drug to control signs and symptoms but be damn sure you don't cure the disease.

Isn't that their job though? To have ways to help people no matter the underlying reason why, like diet? It's not like it's a state secret that being overweight is a bad thing. We're inundated everywhere with this knowledge. It's not like doctors can tell smokers that they can't get operated on because the cancer was preventable. People who run gyms, trainers, dietitians, et cetera; it's their job to help people get in shape.

 

[paximperium]

Your immune system deals with the vast majority of problems thrown at it. Only a few slip through - most of which can be prevented, cured, treated or managed by medicine in its current form (not "western medicine"), and presumably more as medicine progresses. There are also many conditions which the immune system has no effect on - an aortic dissection would serve as a good example.

Well to nitpick, aortic dissection actually involves more than the shearing forces that tear the aorta. There appears to be a significant inflammatory response that lead to the original injury that created the channel. Whether it is contributory or a result of the dissection is question at present....well except for Marfan's Disease, that' purely genetic and mechanical.