Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

[Alt+F4]

Which is why I am bit nitpicky, Bruce Fisher said he corrected the dishwasher/detergent picture and paragraph, but he still claims that the knife was washed in a dishwasher on http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/TheKnife.html.

You are right, it's still there. In addition I also think that Bruce is wrong when he states that:

Officers testified that there was a strong smell of bleach in the apartment.

It is my understanding that the judge did not allow any officer to testify about smelling bleach and he, a single officer (not officers) were only allowed to testifiy that the apartment "smelled clean".

 

[Kermit]

The reference about the soap was due do the bleach smell and possible bleach traces on the knife ... Many dish detergents in Italy contain bleach. So it would not be unreasonable to say that any bleach smell or possible residue could have come from soap.

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Could you provide the name of an Italian dish detergent which contains enough bleach for it to be a noticeable odour?

Dixan doesn't count. In fact, as you saw with Dixan (just the first of many errors on your which have been pointed out to you, and the only which you have corrected), many of these household products are Europe-wide brands.

In our Spanish home, over the years we have used multitude of cleaning products and in particular dishwashing liquids. There has been no dishwashing liquid which we have ever used which has a noticeable bleach smell (of course we have bleach, and sometimes it's used to clean floors or cupboards, but that isn't dishwashing liquid).

You state that that is the case. Please give us an example. Or was this just another case of wishful thinking?

 

[Fulcanelli]

I love Kermits powerpoints. They are very scientific. They prove without a doubt that Amanda is guilty. I am surprised that Mignini didn't show those in court with his ridiculous cartoon.

Kermit's PowerPoints were never intended to 'prove Amanda Guilty' (I can't help notice you've dropped the Raffaele cling-on, but he was never important to you was he...he's a guy...and a wop...who cares).

The Powerpoints were intended only to provide the evidence (available at the time), the context...and also to expose the shameless PR campaign. Job done and well done it was. If any observers here, who haven't seen them yet, are wondering what has got Bruce's goat so much I recommend you visit PMF and view them. I'll say no more then that..and let you view them and make up your own minds. You can download and view them all in this thread here: http://www.perugiamurderfile.org/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=36

 

[Chris_Halkides]

except I did not say that

Are you kidding me? Seriously? You're going to present now that the knife wasn't bleached?

After you made the big fuss about how your favorite letter claims the bleach would have destroyed all the DNA on the knife, so there's no way Meredith's DNA arrived via any means other than contamination?


Are you serious?


Disingenuous isn't even the right *********** word for this. You, Chris, are a bald-faced liar.



At this point, I would hope that no one in this thread would give you an ounce of credibility. If it wasn't apparent before, it is dreadfully apparent now that your sole purpose for being here is to twist the facts to fit your pre-conceived notions regarding Amanda.



(BTW: There's the door, over there ----->. Don't let it hit you on your way out)

BobTheDonkey,

I strongly urge you to desist with the name-calling go back and look at my comments and the open letter, both of which you are seriously misunderstanding. I had not seen the Malcolm Moore article until today. Profazio, who was quoted in the Daily Telegraph, said that the knife was cleaned with bleach, but he did not provide evidence.

My position about bleach and the knife was and remains: Stefanoni opined that the knife could have been cleaned with bleach at the trial, IIRC, but she never gave any evidence of which I am aware, such as a chemical analysis for sodium hypochlorite. What Profazio said about bleach destroying blood but not DNA is false, and I have given several citations to that effect. The open letter does not specify the method of cleaning; it only says that if you clean the knife to make it free of blood, it will almost certainly be free of DNA as well. If Stefanoni or anyone else claimed that bleach was used, the chances of having usable DNA are even lower, if possible. I do not have any position on how the knife was cleaned because I do not have, nor do I know of any evidence that decides this point.

With respect to your argument in a different comment that bleaching a lab regularly would preclude contamination, I only wish stopping contamination were that easy. For one thing, one cannot bleach every surface, every pipet, etc. Contamination happens even in labs that follow the correct protocols. We have been through this before.

When you say, “You're going to present now that the knife wasn't bleached?” you are putting words into my mouth that I never said. You mixed up RFU and pg, sending me off on a wild goose chase, and I have no more patience for these distractions. I do not think you are lying. I do think you are neither intellectually nor emotionally up to discussing any of these matters in an intelligent, adult fashion.

Halides1

 

[Kermit]

She did not eat during that time, she did not go to the bathroom,

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Have you ever considered that having had a pizza supper, she wasn't hungry?

And maybe her bladder wasn't full?

 

[Alt+F4]

Who proved there was no dishwasher anyway?

No one. You said you had access to video and/or photographs taken in the kitchen. Is there a dishwasher in the apartment?

If Bruce doesn't know it's something that can easily be resolved during the appeal by just asking the landlord one more question.

 

[Fulcanelli]

I didn't say they were actually succeeding. They don't have the power that they think they have. I said they have tried. There little friends like Harry Rag have spread lies all over the internet for 2 years.

Okay, you agree that nobody is 'destroying young lives' here or anywhere else on the net...so we can continue and leave the emotive ***** behind?

 

[Kermit]

BobTheDonkey,

I strongly urge you to desist with the name-calling .... I do think you are neither intellectually nor emotionally up to discussing any of these matters in an intelligent, adult fashion.

Halides1

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No comment.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

What I know

Why

I do not know whether the prosecution was asked for them or whether the reference files even exist. I do know that the defense asked for things like machine logs and fsa files. I also know that the prosecution initially claimed that some of this material did not exist and that the defense later found out that Maresca had some of this supposedly nonexistent information. Therefore, I know that the defense's asking for such information is unlikely to provide either the sought-after idata or even a truthful reply. Next question.

 

[Fulcanelli]

How did the knife get tot the cottage Bob? Remember, the murder wasn't premeditated.

Ahh, the 'murder' may not have been, but something 'else' might well have been

Knives aren't only useful to murder people. They also frighten people. Just a thought.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

let us keep our facts straight

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No comment.

BobTheDonkey called me a bald-faced liar, not the other way around. That is the same BobTheDonkey who did not trouble himself to understand the difference between RFUs and picograms.

 

[Fulcanelli]

They provided an expert opinion.

So which is the key word, expert or opinion?

 

[Kermit]

BobTheDonkey called me a bald-faced, not the other way around.

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Hey, Halides, now that we have a dialogue going, can you tell us who engaged "Libby" Johnson to write her limited scope "open letter"?

 

[Fulcanelli]

I am done here for today. I think I have wasted enough time. I think I will go talk to my fish now. The results will be the same, I will talk and they will swim in circles.

And that's your problem...you treated us like your fish from the get go. Best you go talk to your fish. We'll challenge your assertions, your fish won't.

Learning ones own limitations is the beginning of personal growth.

 

[lane99]

...It's interesting how Mignini finds himself in charge of such far-out cases, with backward hopping barefoot murderesses, double-body-swapping Satan worshippers, the sort of stuff that appears nowhere else in the annals of crime.

Indeed. But if that doesn't do it for you, there's always the alternative theory that succubus hypnotized the boyfriend and stranger into raping and murdering the roommate simply because the roommate had mentioned succubus was a bit messy around the house.

Or, the most current insight, Knox stumbled upon her friend being raped and, rather than trying to help her, thought it would be a better idea to join in the fun and turn it into a rape/murder party.

 

[Chris_Halkides]

on the open letter

To all,

Dr. Johnson was initially approached by someone close to the defense. She, Dr. Hampikian, and Dr. Krane all asked to review the electronic data files in their role as consultants for the defense. Their request was made via the defense, and the prosecution refused to hand them over. By my count this was the fourth time that electronic data files had been requested and not turned over. They were requested before the pretrial hearing, the trial, and in July when the court ordered their release. I do not have access to any trial-related defense motions (if someone has such access, PM me). I hope that this answers all of your questions, because I will have to take a break for quite some time to attend to a personal emergency. I do, however, reserve the right to respond to braying.

Halides1

 

[Fulcanelli]

Bruce,

I'm posting this to keep it current rather than to nag. Could you at some point provide the quote from Amanda's appeal document supporting this:


Also, how's it going with the hunt for the clip of Giobbi taking about the suspicious pizza?

There is no clip. Don't you think the clip would have been posted on every FOA site long ago if it existed? I mean, what would be a major scoop for them and they've never bothered to post it? That's an obvious red flag.

It's just more of the floss. But you have my full support in your challenge for them to post it. We know it will never happen...but at least we asked.

 

[Kermit]

To all,

Dr. Johnson was initially approached by someone close to the defense. She, Dr. Hampikian, and Dr. Krane all asked to review the electronic data files in their role as consultants for the defense. Their request was made via the defense, and the prosecution refused to hand them over.

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1) Ah, so you're saying that "Libby" Johnson is not an independent consultant, but rather was hired by the defence (even though she worked pro bono). Why isn't her relationship with the Knox-Mellas family revealed when she is interviewed in the press?

2) Was the Italian legal defence team aware that they were making requests for forensic documentation on behalf of an American-based technical "expert"? If so, did the Italian legal defence team ever consider bringing Johnson over to Perugia to testify in court? Why didn't they?

 

[Fulcanelli]

I didn't say it was denied. I said she didn't eat. 3 hours in a room with a bunch of investigators scaring the hell out her in a language that she didn't have a complete grasp of would be considered long and grueling to me.

Oh, she 'chose' not to eat...at post 1 am in the morning. And we 'all' eat dinner after 1 am don't we?

3 hours? From which hat did you pull that figure from?

She understood the language...the interpreter saw to that. The same interpreter that testified in the trial. So, the language difficulties were...what?

 

[Fulcanelli]

I'm also wondering, how police (people, anyone) shouting at you in a foreign language can possibly get you to admit to something you didn't do.

Allow me to elaborate. I don't speak Chinese. I'm in China and Chinese police are screaming at me...in Chinese. Well, my reaction is going to be...what the hell are they saying, I don't understand a word?

How can I confess to being part of a murder when they are speaking Chinese, I am speaking English and none of us understand one another?

Therefore, you need to explain how this confession/accusation (which Amanda has never denied) was possible, if neither could understand each other. So, how did it work in Babel city?