Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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Bruce Fisher said:
I am done here for today. I think I have wasted enough time. I think I will go talk to my fish now. The results will be the same, I will talk and they will swim in circles.
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You're the one talking circles, Bruce.

But, enjoy your time with the fishes :)
 
Bruce,

the last time I looked your site was still arguing that Amanda being denied food and water contributed to her confession. Assuming she didn't snack in the police station that would be 4 1/2 - 5 hours without food and water. Does this count as false? you also claim that she confessed after a long and gruelling interrogating. We've agreed that the interrogation was 3 hours tops. Does this really count as long?
 
shuttlt said:
1. Random chance, had it not been there they'd have grabbed one from the kitchen, or just stuck with the one knife.
2. They planned something a bit scary, but not murder, and picked it up because you could do a nice 'Psycho' action with it.
3. Amanda had been carrying it about with her for protection.

Doubtless there are others. Personally I find 3 pretty unconvincing. I hope the report makes it seem more plausible that it has been put thus far.
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Agreed. If you were to look back through my posts in this thread, Bruce, you'd find that I have, multiple times, postulated #2 as being how the evening went down.

Of course, that's giving Amanda, Raffaele, and Rudy the benefit of a lot of doubt. Who knows (other than those 3) what was really intended that night. I think there's a part of my humanity that wants to agree with Massei and give these kids the benefit of the doubt on how the knife arrived at the cottage...
 
odeed said:
Sorry to nitpick, but I might of missed the full discussion on this, but did Sollecito apartment have a dishwasher?
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It looks as though he didn't. The dishwasher powder turned out to be for clothes. No pictures of a dishwasher seem to exist.
 
shuttlt said:
Bruce,

the last time I looked your site was still arguing that Amanda being denied food and water contributed to her confession. Assuming she didn't snack in the police station that would be 4 1/2 - 5 hours without food and water. Does this count as false? you also claim that she confessed after a long and gruelling interrogating. We've agreed that the interrogation was 3 hours tops. Does this really count as long?
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Pshaww, those are merely trivial details. Why should Bruce have to waste his valuable time updating his website to reflect truths in the case when he could spend that time with his fish?
 
BobTheDonkey said:
Agreed. If you were to look back through my posts in this thread, Bruce, you'd find that I have, multiple times, postulated #2 as being how the evening went down.

Of course, that's giving Amanda, Raffaele, and Rudy the benefit of a lot of doubt. Who knows (other than those 3) what was really intended that night. I think there's a part of my humanity that wants to agree with Massei and give these kids the benefit of the doubt on how the knife arrived at the cottage...
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I think most people (guilters) go with 2. I guess the full list is:

1. Random chance, had it not been there they'd have grabbed one from the kitchen, or just stuck with the one knife.
2. They planned something a bit scary, but not murder, and picked it up because you could do a nice 'Psycho' action with it.
3. Amanda had been carrying it about with her for protection.
4. They took the knife to kill Meredith.
5. The knife wasn't involved.
 
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Well, thanks for that Bruce, all those who laud truth appreciate it. We still have some way to go, but it's appreciated :)

Remember this, there is nothing wrong 'ever' with admitting to being wrong. It increases ones credibility, rather then damages it. Being wrong, in good faith, is not a fault.
 
Fulcanelli said:
Yeah, so 'minor' you used it to assert he had a dishwasher and that his DNA wasn't on his own knife because he'd washed it in the dishwasher.

So, what's the new reason?
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The reference about the soap was due do the bleach smell and possible bleach traces on the knife. Of course those were never proven. Many dish detergents in Italy contain bleach. So it would not be unreasonable to say that any bleach smell or possible residue could have come from soap. This wasn't really important because it was never proven that the knife was scrubbed with bleach.

I never made any references at all about Raffaele's own DNA being on a knife.

You are simply wrong.

But how would you know? You claimed that you wouldn't view my site.
 
Brice Fisher said:
If you claim that the knife was bleached then you cannot also claim to find Touch DNA on the blade.
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Nobody is claiming 'touch' DNA on the blade, they are claiming, actually rather they have established in a court of law, the DNA was left from stabbing Meredith...'who' is calling it 'touch DNA'???
 
Bruce,

when you come back... it strikes me that the nearest equivalent 'guilter' site to yours is True Justice. What would you say were the top one or two factual errors on it?
 
Fulcanelli said:
Nobody is claiming 'touch' DNA on the blade, they are claiming, actually rather they have established in a court of law, the DNA was left from stabbing Meredith...'who' is calling it 'touch DNA'???
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Even Raffaele isn't claiming "touch" DNA on the big knife. He admitted he pricked her with the knife....oh yeah, that turned out to be a lie.
 
shuttlt said:
Bruce,

the last time I looked your site was still arguing that Amanda being denied food and water contributed to her confession. Assuming she didn't snack in the police station that would be 4 1/2 - 5 hours without food and water. Does this count as false? you also claim that she confessed after a long and gruelling interrogating. We've agreed that the interrogation was 3 hours tops. Does this really count as long?
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I didn't say it was denied. I said she didn't eat. 3 hours in a room with a bunch of investigators scaring the hell out her in a language that she didn't have a complete grasp of would be considered long and grueling to me.

I believe Amanda when she states the things that were said to her. She was already exhausted when she arrived at the station. The exhaustion built up over time. The level of stress she was under and her lack of sleep contributed to the interrogation being grueling.

Put your daughter in the same situation and let me know if you still feel that 3 hours isn't long and grueling. This is my opinion of the interrogation. It cannot be considered false. Feel free to disagree but it is not false. It is an opinion. She did not eat during that time, she did not go to the bathroom, she did not drink anything. All of these things contribute to exhaustion.
 
Bruce Fisher said:
Once again, they are having little success, there are only a few of them. Next to no one reads PMF.
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Next to no one reads PMF? Yet only a few hours ago, you were declaring that everyone on JREF reads nothing but PMF and that's where all their data comes from. Make your mind up. And really, if nobody reads PMF, why waste so much of your time attacking it?
 
Fulcanelli said:
Next to no one reads PMF? Yet only a few hours ago, you were declaring that everyone on JREF reads nothing but PMF and that's where all their data comes from. Make your mind up. And really, if nobody reads PMF, why waste so much of your time attacking it?
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There are only a few poeple here. Let's face it, there are maybe ten people here.

I happen to dislike PMF if you had not noticed. I don't like people that devote their lives to attempt to hurt others.

I am at work. When we are slow, I come on here and kill time.

I am realizing that it isn't even a good way to kill time.
 
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