The Freeman Movement and England

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He's achieved another suspension! That's probably a FOTL victory; sticking it to the man.
 
Someone should tell him that successful trolling is meant to annoy other people to the extent that they get suspended for their reaction to you. Man, he can't get anything right.
 
Suspended for a month? That's no fun.

Are you there tobjai? Throw us a bone, man!
 
On a semi-related note, (related to parliamentary supremacy, at any rate) strange doings are afoot in the Canadian Parliament:

"House of Commons Speaker Peter Milliken’s historic ruling on the powers of Parliament will arrive at around 3 p.m. today.

Sources report Mr. Milliken will deliver a 45-minute address at the close of Question Period on whether the government should be compelled to release uncensored documents pertaining to the treatment of detainees transferred by Canadian forces to Afghan prisons.

At stake is whether Parliament or the government is the supreme authority in the land."


http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...han-detainee-ruling-due-today/article1548154/

Depending on how it turns out, Prime Minister Palpatine may succeed in consolidating near-imperial power to the PMO. If so, only our current minority Parliament (that's "hung" for you naughty Brits), and the inherently cautious and problematic practice of judicial review keeps him in check. I wonder if the courts will change their stance on deference to the government if Parliament is so weakened?
 
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commandlinegamer said:
Repetition of the same assertion, ad nauseum, does not an argument make. Meanwhile out in the real world, we slaves are working for a living, so we can raise a family, go out and enjoy ourselves, travel if we so choose or any of a myriad other activities that make life worthwhile. You might try it some time.
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Reminds me of the passage from Small Gods by Terry Pratchett whre Brutha talks with an Ephebian slave only to discover that main difference between his life as a free man and the slave's is that the slave works fewer hours, is better fed and in general has a more enjoyable life.
 
Someone should volunteer to pretend to be a freeman to keep the rest of us amused.
 
It's really not fair that I'm not allowed to access the Internet at work, so I've missed all the fun. Here's a link about the real history of the Common Law for anyone who might be interested. It is still massively important in Contract and Tort - and for my own interest in Criminal law.
Murder, kidnapping, conspiracy, perverting the course of justice. All still common law crimes.
http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=208882
 
Pikachu said:
It's really not fair that I'm not allowed to access the Internet at work, so I've missed all the fun. Here's a link about the real history of the Common Law for anyone who might be interested. It is still massively important in Contract and Tort - and for my own interest in Criminal law.
Murder, kidnapping, conspiracy, perverting the course of justice. All still common law crimes.
http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=208882
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Important to American law too, seeing as how we ripped the whole idea off of you in the first place.
 
Pikachu said:
It's really not fair that I'm not allowed to access the Internet at work, so I've missed all the fun. Here's a link about the real history of the Common Law for anyone who might be interested. It is still massively important in Contract and Tort - and for my own interest in Criminal law.
Murder, kidnapping, conspiracy, perverting the course of justice. All still common law crimes.
http://openlearn.open.ac.uk/mod/resource/view.php?id=208882
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This is one of the things that gets me about the FOTL woo. nobody here is disputing the value of common law as the basis for our legal system (in the UK or any of its former colonies). It is just that as societies grew we understood the need to clarify and codify the principles of common law into statutes. Statute Law is not the opposition to common law, but the logical descendent of it.
 
KingMerv00 said:
Important to American law too, seeing as how we ripped the whole idea off of you in the first place.
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As an English lawyer I find the US way of doing things endlessly fascinating. Federal law & state law - that's way off the wall for us. elected Judges? crazy. Your judicial language seems from our perspective seems extremely old fashioned.
 
gtm said:
As an English lawyer I find the US way of doing things endlessly fascinating. Federal law & state law - that's way off the wall for us. elected Judges? crazy. Your judicial language seems from our perspective seems extremely old fashioned.
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It might help to think of it in terms of national and EU laws. While not a great analogy overall, the idea behind the formation of the US was state sovereignty, not federal. Obviously this has changed a lot over 200 + years, but it is still at the core of the structure of our government.

On a side note, I have noticed FOTL (or similar) movements so far in the US, UK, Canada, and Australia. One thing they all have in common is foundations in English common law.

Has anybody seen anything similar in continental Europe, Asia or South America (basically anywhere that has roots in a different legal system)?
 
gtm said:
As an English lawyer I find the US way of doing things endlessly fascinating. Federal law & state law - that's way off the wall for us.
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We feel the same way about the Queen. :D

elected Judges? crazy.
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You and I agree on that one. If it makes you feel any better, the US Supreme Court has been dancing around the idea of abolishing judicial elections for some time now.

See here if you are interested.

Your judicial language seems from our perspective seems extremely old fashioned.
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Out of curiousity, could you give an example?
 
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gtm said:
As an English lawyer I find the US way of doing things endlessly fascinating. Federal law & state law - that's way off the wall for us.
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As mentioned above, the U.S. is equivalent to the E.U., and each State is equivalent to England. Fifty sovereign States, each beholden to the higher law of the Federal Government, but still having their own spheres of power and own individual laws.

elected Judges? crazy.
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State law only. Federal judges are appointed.
But having local judges elected by the public has some real benefits over the nepotism that would undoubtedly rule the local judiciary otherwise.
 
gtm,

I also want to point out that your judges are nutty. What's the deal with them getting all involved with the facts of the case?

Those wigs need some a'splaining too.
 
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