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The Official UK Election Thread! 6th May it is!

Is it because of gerrymandering?

It seems unlikely that the result should be so different in different seats unless the borders were drawn in ways that favor certain parties.
In addition to the above they do every so often redraw some boundaries if the constituencies are getting too large or too small*.

When they do that there is an incentive for the party in power to shift the areas to make a seat safer or move another from an opposition stronghold to a marginal.



* Scotland used to have smaller constituencies, effectively giving them proportionally more MPs. This was changed in 2005 then they went from 72 down to 59 MPs.

This used to give Scotland a disproportionate advantage over other parts of the country. For example they got to benefit from the poll tax a year before anyone else.
 
In addition to the above they do every so often redraw some boundaries if the constituencies are getting too large or too small*.

When they do that there is an incentive for the party in power to shift the areas to make a seat safer or move another from an opposition stronghold to a marginal.



* Scotland used to have smaller constituencies, effectively giving them proportionally more MPs. This was changed in 2005 then they went from 72 down to 59 MPs.

This used to give Scotland a disproportionate advantage over other parts of the country. For example they got to benefit from the poll tax a year before anyone else.

Cameron has admitted he will redraw constituencies again which will further reduce Scotland MP's. They are talking about making the population equal in all.
 
Cameron has admitted he will redraw constituencies again which will further reduce Scotland MP's. They are talking about making the population equal in all.
I can see some merit in that, particularly if you want to equalise workloads. However it does beg the question as to whether Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland should have the same size constituencies as England.

As pointed out the UK Parliament does not have jurisdiction over certain matters outside England. As such non-English MPs will not have to deal with constituent queries concerning Health, Education etc, neither will they need to vote on those matters.

Seems to me that they will have a much smaller workload and can represent far more constituents. Think of the money it would save as well.
 
I'm all for reducing the number of Scottish MPs! Zero would be a nice round number....

Rolfe.
 
Yes. It's because of our First-Past-The-Post system.

Imagine that there are only three seats in the country. One Lib Dem candidate wins 90% of the vote in one constituency, while in the other two constituencies gain only 5% of the vote. However, in those two constituences the Tory candidates only win with 20% of the vote.

It's clear that over the three constituencies more people have voted Lib Dem than Tory, but given the system, the Tories will still win two seats with the Lib Dems winning only one, because of the FPTP system.

Although what you describe certainly can happen with our current system, it is slightly misleading with regard to the situation for the Lib-Dems in practice.

Labour and Tory support tends to be concentrated, so in a Labour seat, they may perhaps get 60% of the vote; similarly for a Conservative seat. Lib-Dem support is much more evenly spread, so it is possible that, with the recent upswing in popularity, they could come second in all the constituencies they don't win, by getting about 30%, but only have around 100 seats, while getting a third or more of the overall votes cast. (Theoretically, at the extreme they could come second in all the seats, have more votes than any of the other parties, and win no seats at all.)
 
OK, it's official, I need my cotton-picking head examined.

Foot feeling ever so much better, especially wearing a different pair of walking shoes. Well, it's a nice evening. The big houses along the main road are still to do, I'll just take my bike out and run round them. Start off very well, including one householder coming out to discuss the relative state of the parties, assuring me that he always votes SNP.

Then, on someone's garden path, I mis-step ever so slightly. Hardly at all. But it forced me to bend my right foot.

Eeeeeyyyyyaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!!!

I don't know what I stirred up but I suspect a half-healed fracture of the distal fourth metatarsal. Two paracetamol further on and I'm still struggling. But, like an idiot, "I've started so I'll finish."

I run the bike up the steep driveway of a big house whose owners I know slightly (I nearly bought their previous house, though I confess that was worth less than half their present mansion's purchase price, some things are just not meant to be known), and overbalance at the top. Rather than steady myself using the now incandescent right foot, I allow myself and the bike to collapse in a heap. I hope nobody saw that little performance.

Two or three houses further on was a real mystery. I thought at first it was a disused driveway, perhaps to a house with a less steep entrance elsewhere, but then I realised it was a house I hadn't noticed before. A huge, stone house built right back from and above the road, with an elaborate series of landscaped paths and steps and terraces leading to a grand front door. Apparently derelict and unkempt. A new recycling bin (delivered about six weeks ago) was untouched by the gate. The driveway was blocked with a small fallen tree, which looked as if it might have been placed there deliberately.

So my Enid Blyton childhood reactivated itself, and I parked the bike and took a leaflet in my hand, and negotiated the fallen tree. As I apporached the house I could see that the windows were dirty and not obviously lived in, and one of them was broken.

This house, by the way, if in good order and well presented, could be pushing the £1 million mark. The houses round about are all in very good order and one changed hands in 2006 for over £850,000.

As I neared the front door, I could see a note, about A4 size, taped to the door above the letter box. It was handwritten, and encased in plastic. It said "The Firs. Robbie."

So I posted their leaflet into the Robbie family's letter box and returned to the street and my bicycle. This was just totally weird. Perhaps even more so now I've looked at Google's street view and realised that a year ago when these pictures were taken the fallen tree wasn't there and the driveway looks relatively navigable. Clearly, there is gossip here I'm not (yet) party to.

Well, a 45 minute job took about an hour and a half, but it's done. If I believe the co-ordinator that he persuaded a fit young guy to do the two particularly hilly roads with the big houses and long drives, the village is leafleted.

I've had about six separate election communications fromn the Tory incumbent, all of them delivered by the postman. God knows what that's costing him. I've decided I hate Tories.

Rolfe.
 
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Yes, do. I broke my foot (falling down steps) three years ago and walked on it the next day before going to A&E, and it still gives me pain and I can't walk in high-heeled shoes.
 
I'm highly upset (not really, although I am a bit peeved).

Today when I went in to sign on, I walked off the bus into Nuneaton to be greeted by a sight I did not expect. It was confirmed that I was not delusional when I, in shock, stated "**** me, it's John Prescott!" to which I recieved the reply of "Yes, it is. Would you like to meet him?".

Sadly, I had to turn this offer down, as I needed to get to my appointment.
 
Yes, do. I broke my foot (falling down steps) three years ago and walked on it the next day before going to A&E, and it still gives me pain and I can't walk in high-heeled shoes.


Oh Noooooooooo! Socialised healthcare!!! Death Panels !!!!! :eek:


I feel a bit of a fraud now. I had decided to take my mother to the dentist to have a loose crown seen to. I'd telephoned her dentist yesterday and was told, just come in at 1.45. By 2 o'clock she was done, and by 2.05 we were back in the car. Subsequent to the exacerbation of yesterday, I'd arranged with work not to rush back, but to go to A&E with my foot while I was in the town.

I suppose we got there about 2.30. There were a few people there, but it wasn't heaving and names were being called quite regularly. I think I waited about an hour and a half, before being called. A casualty nurse had a look, admired the technicolour bruising, and ordered an x-ray. The radiographer apologised for keeping us waiting (about ten minutes) because the computer was doing something strange. She x-rayed my foot and sent me back to the casualty nurse. The nurse called me in to show me the plate. All skeletal elements intact. She didn't call the casualty doctor, quite right too, no need.

For a soft tissue injury, it's still helluva painful. I got a lecture from the nurse about resting it and keeping off it, and I refrained from saying yes, OK, after the election. I was out of there by 4.30.

That's the NHS for you. Mum was seen by her dentist at less than 24 hours notice. There will be a small fee, though she hasn't paid it yet. I just showed up at A&E, no appointment. Nobody was there with coughs and colds, everybody either had an injury that needed hospital facilities or (in two cases) had been sent by their doctor because he felt their condition warranted it. No charge. Nobody mentioned money, nor will they. That's evil socialism for you.

Rolfe.
 
Well of course the reason they couldn't see your compound fracture thingy was because all the good doctors left when it went UHC........
 
:D It's a long time since I did any serious radiology, but I'm not that dumb. I know an intact metatarsal when I see one.

Which is good, really. A stookie would have cramped my style, even with an automatic gearbox.

Rolfe.
 
BBC have just shown a Party political broadcast by the Tories. The broadcast was on behalf of the 'Hung parliament party' which outlined the nightmare it would bring.

This was followed by an advert for the next debate and Cameron's earlier debate comment saying "Fightening the electorate has no place in this election." :D
 

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