Amanda Knox guilty - all because of a cartwheel

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The box just happens to be the same size commonly used for automatic dishwashing detergent and even has the small spout found on such products. Could someone confirm if small boxes for clothes washing detergent comes in a similar box with that kind of spout?

It would not be unreasonable for a company to exploit their brand recognition to expand into other products.

Please provide EVIDENCE that Dixan is a dishwashing detergent.

 

[Agatha]

Have a look on www.henkel.it , Dan_O.

 

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Henkel.it do make dishwashing liquid:http://www.henkel.it/cps/rde/xchg/henkel_iti/hs.xsl/94_ITI_HTML.htm but the powder, as Kermit has shown, is for clothes.

Not remotely derogatory, just fact checking.

Yes, but that is dishwashing liquid for handwashing dishes in the sink, not for use in a dishwasher.

Additionally, is there any evidence that Rafaelle's apartment even had a dishwasher?

 

[Agatha]

Not that I am aware, perhaps Bruce can show us a picture of Raffaelle's dishwasher?

 

[tsig]

Yep - I guess that indicates there is a reasonable doubt!

Or unreasonable idiocy.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I am not at home currently. I will review the video from the investigation of Raffaele's kitchen tonight or tomorrow morning. This was never a major point for me but I am always happy to make corrections when needed. Thank you for pointing it out.

The attack mentality on this board is disturbing. I have always edited my site when needed. I could write books on all of the misinformation on PMF and TJ.

I received that information long ago from a source in Italy so I need to talk to that person also.

 

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I am not at home currently. I will review the video from the investigation of Raffaele's kitchen tonight or tomorrow morning. This was never a major point for me but I am always happy to make corrections when needed. Thank you for pointing it out.

Please let us know if there is a dishwashing machine there.

The attack mentality on this board is disturbing. I have always edited my site when needed. I could write books on all of the misinformation on PMF and TJ.

You are certainly free to write those books is you so desire to. As for editing your site when needed, perhaps you could also edit this untruth from your "bra clasp" page:

the bra clasp tested positive for the DNA of Raffaele and many other people that visited the apartment.

Bolding mine.

I received that information long ago from a source in Italy so I need to talk to that person also.

Even with knowing nothing about Italian cleaning products it just didn't sit right with me that there would be bleach in dishwashing detergent. Who wants to eat off plates cleaned with bleach?

 

[tsig]

I did and no where do they say that they make dishwashing detergent under the brand name Dixan.



Then why did you go through such an effort to explain why there might be bleach on the large knife?


Evidence?

I think we're going to see another 90⁰ turn soon.

 

[Dan O.]

No, I remember seeing the image shortly after it posted. I even showed it to a friend that does plumbing work. That piece rarely comes loose or falls off unless it is intentional. If it is loose the most water you get is a drip. He normally gets calls to check the trap when someone loses their ring or other jewelry down the sink. Sometimes it can still be recovered in the trap. It is a drain pipe and the only water pressure you have is from the water in the sink.

There's a threaded coupling on the right (the nut portion is still on the drain side pipe) and usually a compression fitting that seals the other side. If the compression fitting was left off or never tightened, a hard bump on the trap could break the threaded coupling causing the whole trap to fall off.

Here is an image of the missing components (though of course using quality parts from the USA).

 

[tsig]

I am not at home currently. I will review the video from the investigation of Raffaele's kitchen tonight or tomorrow morning. This was never a major point for me but I am always happy to make corrections when needed. Thank you for pointing it out.

The attack mentality on this board is disturbing. I have always edited my site when needed. I could write books on all of the misinformation on PMF and TJ.

I received that information long ago from a source in Italy so I need to talk to that person also.

We're just ravenous for facts.

 

[Agatha]

There's a threaded coupling on the right (the nut portion is still on the drain side pipe) and usually a compression fitting that seals the other side. If the compression fitting was left off or never tightened, a hard bump on the trap could break the threaded coupling causing the whole trap to fall off.

Here is an image of the missing components (though of course using quality parts from the USA).

Do you ever miss an opportunity to display xenophobia?

 

[RoseMontague]

There's a threaded coupling on the right (the nut portion is still on the drain side pipe) and usually a compression fitting that seals the other side. If the compression fitting was left off or never tightened, a hard bump on the trap could break the threaded coupling causing the whole trap to fall off.

Here is an image of the missing components (though of course using quality parts from the USA).

But of course. The point being, even if it fell off the only way you could have a major leak is to leave the water running and walk away for awhile. Otherwise you see some water coming out from under the sink and you simply turn off the tap. The leak only leaks with trap on or off when the water is running. It is a drain pipe.

 

[Kestrel]

I too would like to see you explain that in more depth, Dan O.

Earlier you postulated a velocity of 1 m/s imparted to the shutter by the rock at the point of impact. Assuming (not a valid assumption) a perfectly equivalent velocity imparted to the surrounding air as a result of that motion you would have a breeze of approx. 2 knots.

Imagine a beach with a 2 knot breeze. This isn't enough to ruffle a newspaper. You might not even sense it on wet skin. It wouldn't blow your hair around.

Pick up a handful of sand and cast it upwards in that 2 knot breeze. How far do you imagine it will travel horizontally? (Note that sand is a remarkably accurate analog for fine glass fragments.) Now imagine the same experiment in that same light breeze with crushed shells or small gravel (larger pieces of glass?). Do they travel farther? Less far? The same distance as the sand?

How much "force" are you suggesting affected the window glass fragments by "such a rush"?

Dan O. didn't postulate a velocity of 1 meter/second. I used that figure back in this post as an example to make a point about the mechanics of the rock hitting the shutter. Clearly this left you hopelessly confused. You didn't seem to understand that the figure was purely arbitrary and you even forgot who brought it up in the first place.

For those of you who didn't get the point of my earlier post, let me explain. When the rock hits the shutter near the hinge, the parts of the shutter further from the hinge move away fast enough to get out of the way of the broken glass from the window.

 

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For those of you who didn't get the point of my earlier post, let me explain. When the rock hits the shutter near the hinge, the parts of the shutter further from the hinge move away fast enough to get out of the way of the broken glass from the window.

Ok, I can understand the point you are making. What I don't get is why Francesco Pasquali (a consultant for Rafaelle's defense), didn't take into account the shutters when he attempted to re-create a rock throw.

Also, isn't it the defense's contention that that the rock was thrown from a nearby terrace and not the ground?

 

[Dan O.]

But of course. The point being, even if it fell off the only way you could have a major leak is to leave the water running and walk away for awhile. Otherwise you see some water coming out from under the sink and you simply turn off the tap. The leak only leaks with trap on or off when the water is running. It is a drain pipe.

That isn't contradictory to what Amanda said. “After we ate Raffaele washed the dishes but the pipes under his sink broke and water flooded the floor.”

The water coming out where the trap should be would not be a trickle if the tap was on full or the basin was filled with water when the stopper was removed.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

We're just ravenous for facts.

I feel the same way. I know the truth will eventually correct this injustice. If there are minor details that are incorrect on my site, I am more than happy to edit them.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

I think we're going to see another 90⁰ turn soon.

How much of an effort did I make? I put one photo on the site. The unacceptable lab work is the most important issue in regard to the knife.

 

[Bruce Fischer]

Please let us know if there is a dishwashing machine there.



You are certainly free to write those books is you so desire to. As for editing your site when needed, perhaps you could also edit this untruth from your "bra clasp" page:



Bolding mine.



Even with knowing nothing about Italian cleaning products it just didn't sit right with me that there would be bleach in dishwashing detergent. Who wants to eat off plates cleaned with bleach?

The bra clasp info is correct. Italian dish washing detergents often contain bleach.

 

[BobTheDonkey]

The bra clasp info is correct. Italian dish washing detergents often contain bleach.

No, Bruce, it's inaccurate, as you should well know.

There were 5 people's DNA on the clasp - Meredith's, Raffaele's, and 3 unidentified females. That is hardly "many other people that visited the apartment".



As for bleach and cleaning dishes, it's actually not unusual. Boy Scout manuals actually instruct that a proper wash/rinse cycle includes a low concentration bleach rinse for sanitary reasons. That, of course, doesn't mean we ever did. I just know that it's not unusual for bleach to be used to sanitize dishes.

However, Kermit (et al) has conclusively shown that the detergent under Raffaele's sink is not dishwashing detergent, but laundry detergent.

Bruce, here's where we have a bit of a problem. You claim you're positive of Raffaele's innocence - even offering the solution that Raffaele used a dishwasher and a detergent with bleach to clean the knife. However, you, at no time, did the real research to find out just what Dixan detergent is used to clean. Nor did you, in your multiple watchings of the video, care to take note of whether Raffaele even had a dishwasher.

To the rest of us, it's readily apparent that you're falling into the classic woo of paying attention only to what supports your particular theory/belief and ignoring that which could counter it. This is no different from Dan O's thread asking for everyone to ignore any bit of evidence that could point toward multiple attackers/Raffaele/Amanda.

If you feel this is a personal attack, then you have a lot to learn about critical thinking and how to form a proper argument.

 

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The bra clasp info is correct.

Just so I can be clear, are you saying that the bra clasp tested positive for the DNA of "other people that visited the apartment"?

Who are they? I'm not aware any DNA profiles were taken from the other two roomates, Meredith's British friends or her boyfriend. Who else would have visited the apartment in the less than two months that both girls lived there?

Italian dish washing detergents often contain bleach.

Could be, but Rafaelle didn't have dish washing detergent in his apartment, he had laundry detergent.