Bill O'Reilly is Completely Dishonest

Yeah, the lawsuit was a trademark suit over Franken's use of Fox's slogan. It didn't have anything to do with the accuracy of the content of Franken's book.
I don't like O'Reilly at all.
 
His Malmedy massacre 'gaffe' is the best example of just how blatant O'Reilly and Fox are in their lying. It was obviously a simple mistake, like saying Istanbul is the capital of Turkey or something. Then, when called out repeatedly, just INSIST you were right instead of admitting a simple error.
 
Walter Ego said:
Actually, it was Fox News that sued Franken for infringement for the use of the phrase "fair and balanced" in the subtitle of Franken's book and the use of a stock photo of O'Reilly on the cover. O'Reilly wasn't a party to the suit.
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So (assuming that's correct), would making an incorrect claim that it was O'Reilly who sued and was laughed out of court in a thread about the poor research and misrepresentation of facts that O'Reilly uses be considered ironic?
 
Unabogie said:
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So he gets on TV and claims that he checked through the FOX archives and no one, EVER, EVER said that the new health care law mandated jail time on his "news" channel.
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Please, watch that mashup. Has there ever been a more dishonest news organization? Hearst? The libels in old England?
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MSNBC, ABC, CBS, NBC, CNN, The Washington Post, The New York Times since Pinch Sulzberger took over, etc

Anyone care to defend this? First off, did he tell the truth?
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While O'Reilly was wrong, when challenged by O'Reilly, Senator Tom Coburn couldn't name anyone on FOX News saying this. With so many examples, how did he whiff on this?

More importantly, did FOX tell the truth when they repeatedly told their viewers that they'd go to jail under the new law?
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Nancy Pelosi was asked point blank, "Do you think it’s fair to send people to jail who don’t buy health insurance?" Her answer dodged the question. She apparently believed jail time was a possibility or she would have said that is absurd.


http://www.thefoxnation.com/health-...its-fair-jail-people-without-health-insurance
 
Cicero said:
While O'Reilly was wrong, when challenged by O'Reilly, Senator Tom Coburn couldn't name anyone on FOX News saying this. With so many examples, how did he whiff on this?
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Oh, so now it's Coburn's fault. What Coburn said turned out to be completely, unequivocally correct. Just because he didn't have any examples at hand doesn't make him less correct. Why won't O'Reilly just admit the plain truth?


Nancy Pelosi was asked point blank, "Do you think it’s fair to send people to jail who don’t buy health insurance?" Her answer dodged the question. She apparently believed jail time was a possibility or she would have said that is absurd.
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Wait... late-breaking! It's Pelosi's fault. That's why O'Reilly goes to the Malmady Defense.
 
Skeptic said:
Some people sometimes refuse to pay all or part of their taxes to protest a government policy. For example, some people refused to pay taxes or the part of the tax that goes to the military during the Vietnam war.

Could you go to jail for it? Yes, in theory, just like you could go to jail for refusing to pay any (legal) tax. In practice, you will probably be given many chances to pay before you are actually prosecuted.
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Wesley Snipes has experience with the process.... :)
 
hgc said:
Oh, so now it's Coburn's fault. What Coburn said turned out to be completely, unequivocally correct. Just because he didn't have any examples at hand doesn't make him less correct. Why won't O'Reilly just admit the plain truth?
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Fault? The point is Coburn was not prepared to back-up his claim, and then immediately backed down when told he was in error. Obviously, O'Reilly actually believed what he said was true. His staff let him down.

Wait... late-breaking! It's Pelosi's fault. That's why O'Reilly goes to the Malmady Defense.
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Fault? The Speaker of The House, a major crafter of the health care insurance reform bill, didn't know jail time was not a condition for failure to comply. It is not Pelosi's fault that she is a benighted botoxer. While O'Reilly should know better, Pelosi can't help herself.

BTW: What this has to do with SS defendants Joachim Peiper and Sepp Dietrich Nuremberg defense can only be explained by your therapist.
 
Cicero said:
Fault? The Speaker of The House, a major crafter of the health care insurance reform bill, didn't know jail time was not a condition for failure to comply.
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I don't have the exact quote, but didn't Pelosi say something like 'we won't find out what the health care bill says until we pass it'?

Since the bill hadn't pass yet you certainly couldn't expect her to know it said.
 
Bob Klase said:
I don't have the exact quote, but didn't Pelosi say something like 'we won't find out what the health care bill says until we pass it'?

Since the bill hadn't pass yet you certainly couldn't expect her to know it said.
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No. But she did say to the question: "Do you think it’s fair to send people to jail who don’t buy health insurance?"

"I think the legislation is very fair in this respect. It gives people an opportunity to have health care, access to quality health care. If they can't afford it, it provides subsidies for them to do so. But do you think it's fair if somebody says, "I'm just not going to have it and if I get sick then I'll just go to the emergency room and send the bill to you."

In November 2009, Pelosi says it is "fair" to KOMO 4 News Shomari Stone. By March, 2010, I guess she and others decided it wouldn't be fair.
 
Cicero said:
Obviously, O'Reilly actually believed what he said was true. His staff let him down.
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His staff? Glenn Beck sat in a chair across a table from him and talked about jail time for those who don't buy the insurance. O'Reilly joked about sending Beck to jail.
 
Upchurch said:
She would have? How could you possibly know that?
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I'm projecting what an intellectually honest, rational, logical person would say when asked about a seemingly outrageous penalty for non-compliance regarding a bill that the person being asked the question was spearheading. Why I would confuse that person with Pelosi is my error. Are you saying that back in November, 2009, jail time was a possibility for non-compliance and that is why Pelosi couldn't or wouldn't shoot down Shomari Stone's scenario?
 
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Cicero said:
While O'Reilly was wrong, when challenged by O'Reilly, Senator Tom Coburn couldn't name anyone on FOX News saying this. With so many examples, how did he whiff on this?
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You know, I hear this sort of statement all the time from talk radio hosts and so forth. the problem is, in the course of an interview, the target has no idea where exactly that interview will go. Further, he has no idea what "evidence" he may be asked for. It is somewhat unfair to put someone on the spot without prior warning and ask them for evidence and then calim, probably because they were unprepared, that because they could not provide evidence that therefore their argument is false.

Give them a little time or, even better, advanced warning, of your request. That would be fair. Otherwise you are playing gotcha journalism hoping to catch people unprepared.

BTW, feel free to check out mediamatters or the Daily Show for evidence that O'Reilly was wrong.
 
Cicero said:
I don't have the exact quote, but didn't Pelosi say something like 'we won't find out what the health care bill says until we pass it'?
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No.
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Apparently yes- something very close to what I wrote unless all these links are lying:

http://www.breitbart.tv/nancy-pelosi-we-need-to-pass-health-care-bill-to-find-out-whats-in-it/

http://blog.heritage.org/2010/03/10...s-the-bill-so-you-can-find-out-what-is-in-it/

http://patriotpost.us/perspective/2010/03/11/pelosi-pass-the-bill-to-find-out-whats-in-it/

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/...at-the-public-can-find-out-whats-in-the-bill/

http://www.unitedliberty.org/articl...e-bill-so-that-you-can-find-out-what-is-in-it

http://article.wn.com/view/2010/03/10/Nancy_Pelosi_We_Need_to_Pass_Health_Care_Bill_to_Find_Out_Wh/
But we have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it...
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Cicero said:
I'm projecting what an intellectually honest, rational, logical person would say when asked about a seemingly outrageous penalty for non-compliance regarding a bill that the person being asked the question was spearheading. Why I would confuse that person with Pelosi is my error. Are you saying that back in November, 2009, jail time was a possibility for non-compliance and that is why Pelosi couldn't or wouldn't shoot down Shomari Stone's scenario?
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Or, she could have felt that her job at the time was to sell the bill to the American public and in politics it often happens that addressing a lie, even to refute it, just gives the lie credence and dilutes the message she is trying to get out. So she did what any politician (right or left) would have done. She ignored what in her mind was a lie and went straight to pre-planned talking points.
 
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