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Limbaugh gets sick of Beck getting all the attention, so...

Are you sure this wasn't a radio broadcast? I was under the impression that he'd stopped doing a TV show. Haven't been keeping up, so maybe he's back on the air in all of his "a face made for radio" glory.
Upchurch already answered but I would add that Google or Wiki can be your friend, DR. :)

It was on Rush's TV show so it is going back a very long ways. For TV attacks against kids I guess there is no statute of limitations.
 
Yeah, about that critical thinking stuff...
Anyone know when Obama actually said that? Because a Google search on those words only seems to be giving me people quoting Limbaugh supposedly quoting Obama.

I did a google search on "obama speech health care signed Armageddon". It appears that Limbaugh paraphrased Obama's speech, but I don't see where that really changes anything under discussion in this thread.

http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politi...ts-fear-mongering-in-healthcare-reform-speech
the president said. “So after I signed the bill, I looked up at the sky to see if asteroids were coming. I looked at the ground to see if cracks had opened up in the earth. You know what, it turned out it was a pretty nice day."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100402/ts_csm/292042_1
"[Republican House Leader] John Boehner … called the passage of this bill ‘Armageddon,' " the president said. “So after I signed the bill, I looked up at the sky to see if asteroids were coming. I looked at the ground to see if cracks had opened up in the earth. You know what, it turned out it was a pretty nice day."/QUOTE]

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=135641
"Leaders of the Republican Party have actually been calling the passage of this bill 'Armageddon.' They say it's the end of freedom as we know it," he continued.

"So after I signed the bill, I looked up to see if there were any asteroids headed our way. I checked to see if any cracks had opened up in the ground. But you know what? It turned out to be a pretty nice day," Obama said.
 
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Many of the people who believed before he signed the bill that those things would happen will realize his message is meaningless and that his signature alone will not cause them to happen.

Huh? Can you restate this so that it makes sense?

Of all the people who feared (rightly or wrongly) bad things would happen as a result of the health care reform bill , even the dumbest of them probably realize that bad things wouldn't happen until things the in bill were actually implemented. So saying to those people (virtually everyone), "I signed the bill and nothing bad has happened" is meaningless. It's like saying "Look, I turned on the faucet and the bathtub didn't overflow." Even dumb people realize that if the bathtub is going to overflow then it won't happen until the water has time to fill it first.
 
I don't think he meant it either. But the question is, How many of his listeners agreed with it?
Further, who was he mocking when he said it?

I would put it into the same category as John Stewart Claiming that the Fox News Logo has ties to Fascist Propaganda and Imperial Japan. John doesn't actually believe that. He is only mocking Fox for making similar stupid statements about the Nuclear Sumit Logo.

In this case, it would seem Rush is mocking the fundamentalist fraction of his audience. If that is the case, good on him.

But I don't think that was it. I get the sense that he was pandering to them as a means of drawing them from Savage. But, I could be wrong.
 
Yes, it was during one of his at least two attempts at moving to TV.

Since you are making judgements without being informed, let me inform you. The schtick went like this:

Limbaugh: Everyone knows the Clintons have a cat. Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is a White House dog?

At which point, he shows a picture of then 13 year-old Chelsea Clinton.

Hell of a guy, that Limbaugh.
What does this have to do with his latest remark? Since unlike you, I don't spend a lot of time listening to Rush, and I wasn't in the country for a bit of his glory days when the Clintons were his political target, why am I supposed to care about this? Was he a jerk to drag the First Daughter into his anti Clinton screeds? Yes. Did he ever apologize? I hope so, and if he didn't, then a bigger jerk.
Does it? It is amazing you can have such insight to me when you have so little into Limbaugh's rather notorious and public past. That, or you were unaware that one can't show pictures over the radio.
I think you are taking something from the 90's, and trying to insert it into the year 2010. You are the one with issues here, as you keep demonstrating. You can't resist the troll bait.
Now that you mention it. Your response tells me a great deal about you, too. Maybe you should consider examine your own assumptions before being so sanctimonious.
Given that you are the one making assumptions, the ball's in your court.
Oh, I read your question. You asked if he anyone thought this was a serious statement (and, presumably, not just a joke). The assumption on your part is that the Limbaugh 'show persona' is a reasonable person.
There you go again, making an assumption up and trying to attribute it to me. It is also irrelevant, since Rush's job, it seems to me, is to make Rush rich, and being coarse and insensitive (you used shock jock, which is a good descriptive) is how he does that.
Why don't you go back and actually read my response instead of going off on me? Or are people not allowed to point out things you hadn't considered without being instantly dismissed as 'ranting'?
Given that you remain in foaming mode, no thanks. You seem to have missed the point in my original question.
And yet, you were willing to give him the benefit of the doubt that he was simply joking and, I note, leaping to his defense.
"Leaping to his defense?"

You keep making things up. Try this on for size: if you can recognize a dog chewing on a bone as a dog chewing on a bone, you are not defending a dog, you are pointing out the obvious.

Which you apparently need done, given your knee jerk reaction to Rush ... which I am guessing is part of how he makes his money.

PS: if you are looking for the term, your Chelsea Clinton insertion into this topic is called a red herring. No, that is not me calling Chelsea Clinton a herring, in case the foam on your specs is causing you reading problems.

PPS: Back to the OP, if Dorian's analysis is right, and Rush is getting jealous of all the attention being lavished on Beck, which may mean less on him, then I am much amused.

He who lives by the attention whoring, dies by the attention whoring. It gets Funnier the more I think of it.

DR
 
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What does this have to do with his latest remark?
It is an example of the depths he will stoop to. You asked if he was being serious with his latest remark. I'm showing that serious doesn't really apply to Limbaugh.

I think you are taking something from the 90's, and trying to insert it into the year 2010. You are the one with issues here, as you keep demonstrating. You can't resist the troll bait.
I wasn't responding to Limbaugh. I was answering your question. If I'm responding to troll bait, that would make you the troll. I doubt that's what you were trying to do. But apparently, you weren't asking a genuine question, either.


Given that you remain in foaming mode, no thanks. You seem to have missed the point in my original question.

"Leaping to his defense?"

You keep making things up.
Says the guy accusing me of "foaming at the mouth". :rolleyes: I don't know why you chose to characterize my response to your question as a "mini-rant" or "responding to troll bait", but it was a legitimate answer to the question of whether or not Limbaugh was serious.

Here's some advice: If you don't want answers, don't ask the question. If you get an answer you weren't expecting, try to understand what is actually being said before mischaracterizing it as ranting.

Which you apparently need done, given your knee jerk reaction to Rush ...
My knee-jerk reaction? You were the one who came out name calling and I was having a knee-jerk reaction?

(admittedly, I did, but only after your truly bizarre reaction to a statement that had nothing to do with you.)


PS: if you are looking for the term, your Chelsea Clinton insertion into this topic is called a red herring. No, that is not me calling Chelsea Clinton a herring, in case the foam on your specs is causing you reading problems.
Physician, heal thyself.
 
It is an example of the depths he will stoop to.
OK.
You asked if he was being serious with his latest remark. I'm showing that serious doesn't really apply to Limbaugh.
On that we will more often agree than not.
I wasn't responding to Limbaugh. I was answering your question.
With emotion. You dragged the TV thing into a question on the radio broadcast ... from a decade ago, and you were responding to what?

No sale.
Physician, heal thyself.
Tu quoque. Not well played.

One more thing: false dichotomy.

What you have written in our little bickerfest here can traced to his attitude: if you don't agree with me, you must be defending that which I disagree with. Your use of "leap to his defense" when no defense of Limbaugh has been made is the kind of crap BAC uses time and again.

Not well played.

Go back and watch the tape: I ask "by show of hands" and you attack with the Chelsea Clinton bit, not on Topic, and follow up with, in part, "you are an apologist." Your BAC_Acolyte-in-training certificate will be in the mail shortly.

DR
 
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Upchurch already answered but I would add that Google or Wiki can be your friend, DR. :)

It was on Rush's TV show so it is going back a very long ways. For TV attacks against kids I guess there is no statute of limitations.
Follow the bouncing ball. I asked about the remark in the OP, Upchurch tossed in this red herring from TV era Rush. Why would I wiki the Clinton remark when that hadn't been raised by the OP, nor me?

DR
 
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With emotion.
Compared to Mr. Spock, maybe.

I wasn't polite and certainly had fun with my descriptors, but I wasn't overly emotional about it.

I was more emotional when you attacked me because, well, you attacked me. Guilty.


You dragged the TV thing into a question on the radio broadcast ... from a decade ago, and you were responding to what?

No sale.
First, what does the medium matter when Limbaugh's character is the same? Was his schtick significantly different on TV than it is on radio? For that matter, what does the decade matter if the character is the same? Has Limbaugh toned down his act in that time? Not that I've seen. If anything he's gotten more extreme.

Second, I used it because it was an iconic and, I thought, fairly famous example of the kind of person Limbaugh is, or at least the kind of character he portrays. I mean, a grown adult made fun of a 13-old-girl's looks on TV because her dad was a political enemy. Is there anything else you really need to know about the guy?

Tu quoque. Not well played.

Well, you tell me the proper, non-tu quoque method of pointing out that you are doing the very thing you are accusing me of and I'll do that instead.
 
Was his schtick significantly different on TV than it is on radio? For that matter, what does the decade matter if the character is the same? Has Limbaugh toned down his act in that time? Not that I've seen. If anything he's gotten more extreme.
That he may, but the question I asked was releated to the OP, which was a radio broadcast in the here and now. Why you felt the need to drag the Clinton fossil into the discussion, and then add in your assumption of crediblity remains your problem, not mine. Seems to me that it is due to your emotional reaction to Rush.

me said:
By show of hands: how many of you believe this is a serious statement?
you said:
What, you think the man has some sort of integrity or credibility?
I still want to know how you went from my question to that strawman construction about what you wish to infer I think?
He's a shock-jock who pretends to be a political commentator
On that we can agree, and it has made him wealthy. See also Howard Stern and Don Imus: shock jock can make money.

DR
 
That he may, but the question I asked was releated to the OP, which was a radio broadcast in the here and now. Why you felt the need to drag the Clinton fossil into the discussion, and then add in your assumption of crediblity remains your problem, not mine. Seems to me that it is due to your emotional reaction to Rush.
Oy :rolleyes: Okay, I'll try again without all the words that seem to be upsetting you:

Your question is meaningless because nothing Rush says on air is "serious" in sense that he means what he says. (I doubt much of anything really fits into that category and, if it does, it doesn't matter.) He is, however, being "serious" in the sense that what he says is part of an on-air persona that is calculated to drive traffic*.

Limbaugh has shown in the past that there is very little, if anything, he won't stoop to in order to accomplish this. Further, he will pander to the more extreme elements of his audience with the knowledge that he can always fall back on a "just joking" excuse if such pandering risks alienating a significant portion of his traffic. I can provide what I find to be some of the more egregious examples from the past, if you like. (but not if it upsets you for me to do so.)

So, I assert that he is being serious because it pushes his traffic. His more extreme audience will take it as "serious" in the way that you mean and his more moderate audience will take it as the "satire" he has trained them to expect when he goes over the top. I suspect there is a middle ground that consider it satire with a "germ of truth" to it, but that is neither here nor there.




* that's web marketing jargon I'm used to. I don't know what the radio equivalent is. "pull in listeners" maybe?
 
For some time I think that Rush has been disturbed that Glenn Beck is posing the first real threat in a long time to Rush's positioin as the #1 Right Wing Radio Blow Hard, and I notice that Limbaugh's rhetoric has been getting more extreme since the Rise of Glen Beck.
 
Oy :rolleyes: Okay, I'll try again without all the words that seem to be upsetting you:
How nice. Thanks for your post, drive traffic* I understand the meaning of.

Now go back to my post, and consider all the responses that were made before I posted, and consider what the point of that post was.

Then tell me why you, right off the bat, attempted to attribute to me something you thought up?

When you take your emotional reaction out of the conversation, you will find that you and I recognize, and agree on, what Rush does with a remarkable degree of fidelity.

While we go through this, Rush is going to, in all likelihood, say something that gets under somebody's skin. Care to bet against that? :cool:

DR
 
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For some time I think that Rush has been disturbed that Glenn Beck is posing the first real threat in a long time to Rush's positioin as the #1 Right Wing Radio Blow Hard, and I notice that Limbaugh's rhetoric has been getting more extreme since the Rise of Glen Beck.
I think there is an potential trap for the both of them here, which they may fall into in their hopes of retaining Top Dog honors for noisemakers.

The more extreme they get, the higher the odds are that some more people who currently support them will recognize what's going on. That may harm their bottom lines, their ratings, and the height of the hill each wishes to be King of.

DR
 
I think there is an potential trap for the both of them here, which they may fall into in their hopes of retaining Top Dog honors for noisemakers.

The more extreme they get, the higher the odds are that some more people who currently support them will recognize what's going on. That may harm their bottom lines, their ratings, and the height of the hill each wishes to be King of.

DR

But there's also a chance that some of their supporters may take their salvos in this 'ratchet up the rhetoric for ratings' battle a little too seriously and act against those Beck and Limbaugh appear to aim their diatribes at (ie, not each other, but the Democrats/liberals). I'm sorry, but some of those folks who have been known to put 'Keep your government hands off my Medicare!' on signs at rallies may not understand the real motivations of these right wing radio personalities.
 
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Then tell me why you, right off the bat, attempted to attribute to me something you thought up?
Okay. DR, seriously, it was a figure of speech.

Get some perspective.

When you take your emotional reaction out of the conversation
The emotional reaction was to your attack on me, not Limbaugh.

Now do you understand what I'm saying in my Vulcan-ized version or are you locked into the idea that I'm just knee-jerk ranting?
 
Limbaugh walks a fine line that he enjoys playing both sides of. On one side, he's a shock jock like Howard Stern who can say whatever crazy thing he wants for ratings. On the other side, he's a well-known and often referenced spokesman for his party.

I think he makes these wacky statements fully intending to speak for the right, but he always has the option to fall back on the old, "hey, I'm just a personality guys! How can I be serious? I'm like Stephen Colbert, but on the radio."

Very smart dude.
 

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