9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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Shall we get back to discussing the Jäger report?

Got any proof that all of those children were out killing Germans yet?
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little grey rabbit said:
Mr Ellard, I think a lot of time would have been saved if you had just been a little more honest and said "OK I was wrong, he didnt face any trials but he did give statements to the police"
Would that have been so hard?
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They were two pre-trial hearings that were abandoned as Spanner had not commited any crime. That's how German court's work.

little grey rabbit said:
After a good deal of time and effort I tracked down the article Matthew Ellard dishonestly truncates his quote from
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I cite all articles. Please link me to this article that you have "tracked down" that I have used "dishonestly?"


1) Are you still going to contact the ICJ concerning your conspiracy about evidence tampering concerning "Evidence- USSR 363" as you have now become aware that Spanner has confirmed human fat was used?


2) You still haven't explained why the witness statements by British soldiers and polish nationals are worthless. Do you still hold this position? If so why?

Thank you for the translation where Spanner confirms he made soap from human fat however in your translation you wrote.....Very roughly "When we abandoned the Institute the electric heating units [for skeleton preparation baths] were turned off and there was swimming a a circa 8-10 cm high, yellow, fatty layer on the upper surface,

3) Where does it say "skeleton preparation baths in the german original?
Beim Verlassen des Instituts sind die elektrischen Heizpatronen abgestellt, und deshalb schwimmt eine ca. 8-10 cm hohe, gelblich dicke, fettige Schicht an der Oberfläche, die hart ist und die der Schreiber des Artikels in 'Sowjet News' als Seife ansah. Quote from Neander's post on Codoh Forum http://forum.codoh.com/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5768&start=15 Neander is a revisionist who posts on the Codoh forum.

You cheated and added that didn't you? It was the ADJR soap boiler with human tissue and caustic soda he was looking into. Please do add your own words to other people's quotes and hope that we can't read German.

You may have also failed to realise that you mistranslated "Sodium hydroxide" for sodium-lye. Sodium hydroxide is the technical word for "caustic soda" which is the alkali defined in Dr Spanner's recipe. That's why Dr Spanner is talking about it. Neander gets this wrong on the Codoh forum when he says the Spanner recipe does not work. (Yes I do read this forum as I work on the Skeptic Society's anti-holocaust denial forum)
 
little grey rabbit said:
Just out of curiosity, TSR, do you have an ethical problem with using something from the corpse (ie injecting fat tissue into a joint) during skeleton preparation?
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Mazur Statement
"Yes I took soap made from human fat home with me....I convinced my mother that it was completely safe for laundry" "The soap I brought home was in ther form of a lump of hard stuff with an unpleasant smell"

So how was that being used in bone ligaments? How could it be injected?


As for your "soviet witnesses".....
Both Neely and Witton gave their depositions to the British Judge Advocate General's Office -- in fact, both USSR-264 and USSR-272 clearly bear the designation MD/JAG/FS/22/609(4a) across the top.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/denial-of-science/soap-06.html
 
I do not get the point here, you can make soap from vegetables or animal fat, and humans too.

It does not sound too practical as the humans in question is also destined to be worked to death on starvation diets, leaving very little fat, and what about fuel requirements of soap vs. cremation.
 
Toke said:
I do not get the point here, you can make soap from vegetables or animal fat, and humans too.

It does not sound too practical as the humans in question is also destined to be worked to death on starvation diets, leaving very little fat, and what about fuel requirements of soap vs. cremation.
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Toke, there is no point.

What happened in WW1 the Allies ran a story about the Germans making soap from corpses and the story was exploded in the 1920s and became a textbook example of wartime propaganda.

The Russians didnt have that experience, so come WW2 they ran the Germans are making soap story again, this time using Jews. Come the end of the war, because Germany was occupied that had the ability to construct the evidential proof for this nonsense and the Soviets being Soviets did so.
However, over among the Western Allies, soap made from humans was a by-word for lies, so the story sort of died. Meanwhile the Russians had produced a small collection of documents that were placed into the court records and everyone vaguely rational just shrugged and said: "The first casualty of war ....." [ie. is truth].

When deniers came along in 70s and 80s the retrieved these documents from the court records to use as a wedge. This left the Elites with a problem, they couldnt admit that the story had been deliberately fabricated (as it obviously had been) because that would raise the question what other pieces of evidence had been similarly fabricated (quite a lot as it happens). Neither did the Elites think they could persuade the People that soap had been made from human bodies.
Hence people like Matthew Ellard and the like are compelled to go around loudly claiming that all the documentation is true and the Germans really did make soap on an experimental scale. Not because the Elites care about Soap particularly, but because they see it as the thin end of the wedge by which the People could undermine their position.
 
TSR said:
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Really? Which deniers did this, and what documents did they "retrieve" that had not already been known for decades?
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I don't the history of the denial movement but I presume the Jewish Virtual Library know what they are talking about when they denounce Carlos Porter, Mark Weber and Bradley Smith. The documents were the court transcripts and the USSR series used to back it up. Presumably no Nuremberg court document can be considered completely unknown, but knowledge might be very very restricted indeed.

I think Hoaxsters spend so much time defending this nonsense for two reasons
1. It is like the farthest most outpost of their power structure and it makes sense tactically not to abandon it without a fight
2. The techniques that Soap demonstrated, ie deceitful collection of collaborating affidavits, spurious physical artifacts and bullying out admissions from vulnerable enemy civilians are not something that Hoaxsters wish to admit to.

As always it is We the People, who are the losers.
 
little grey rabbit said:
When deniers came along in 70s and 80s the retrieved these documents from the court records to use as a wedge. This left the Elites with a problem, they couldnt admit that the story had been deliberately fabricated (as it obviously had been) because that would raise the question what other pieces of evidence had been similarly fabricated (quite a lot as it happens). Neither did the Elites think they could persuade the People that soap had been made from human bodies.
Hence people like Matthew Ellard and the like are compelled to go around loudly claiming that all the documentation is true and the Germans really did make soap on an experimental scale. Not because the Elites care about Soap particularly, but because they see it as the thin end of the wedge by which the People could undermine their position.
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Um, just a quick question. Who are the 'Elites?'
 
garethdjb said:
Um, just a quick question. Who are the 'Elites?'
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gareth its a very good question, there are number of theoretical and empirical approaches to this intricate problem.

I tend towards the views of Robert Michels and Thomas R Dye in this particular area. Although I do find the work of Foucault, Bruno Latour and Paul Feyerabend as usual although not directly concerning themselves with elites (OK Foucault does a bit).

I suggest you do some reading.
 
Moss, strangely enough, I don't feel need to prove the existence of Elite Theory as a field of research.

If someone comes along and asks what does the Elites mean, why should I try and cram it into a 10 line forum post?

Imagine if someone asked you to describe the Holocaust in 10 lines. It would be something like this:
"The Germans decided to kill 6 million Jews but neglected to leave any orders stating this. 2 million were killed by shooting Jews and putting them in Sardienpackung mass graves - not one of which has a single photograph of being exhumed. They also decided to murder another 2 million using engine exhaust - diesel engine exhaust being the main method - they probably choose diesel because then they would have to do something very strange and intricate to the engine to make the exhaust toxic and we know how much Germans love a technical challenge. Unfortunately we can't show you any physical evidence because the Germans completely burned all the bodies leaving not a visible trace behind or even any earth disturbance where the graves were. Finally another million were killed in gigantic crematorium with strange underground wings in Auschwitz, and even stranger, hundreds of historians, survivors etc are on record as saying that these crematoria looked from the outside like bakeries"

You see how ridiculous it looks? So what you do instead is tell the person to go off and read all the enormous literature on the subject. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander
 
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TSR said:
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Shall we get back to discussing the Jäger report?

Got any proof that all of those children were out killing Germans yet?
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TSR keeps pushing his lie that anybody made this argument. I have shown links to the Wiesenthal Center stating that no less than 96% of the executions were carried out by the local population. TSR should ask himself why the local population was so motivated to do this. Here a little quiz with some possible answers to the question why the locals executed the Jews in large numbers:

1) because of excessive use of garlick in their diet
2) because of 60% interest rates on loans
3) because the Jews were seen as dictators and oppressors who ruthlessly had installed a bolshevik regime one year earlier killing thousands of locals who resisted

Good luck.

If TSR wants to discuss this off-topic question further I encourage him to start a new thread titled "Why the East-Europeans did not like the Jews"
 
2 million were killed by shooting Jews and putting them in Sardienpackung mass graves - not one of which has a single photograph of being exhumed.

Actually that is not quite true. Soviet photographers worked under conditions on extreme difficulty and did manage to produce photos like this

http://www.infocenters.co.il/gfh_multimedia/GFH/0000002086/0000002086_1_web.jpg

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The Soviets did have high quality cameras and apparently they had mass graves of Jewish civilians, yet through some unhappy happenstance, the two never manage to occur in the same locality.
 
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little grey rabbi said:
If someone comes along and asks what does the Elites mean, why should I try and cram it into a 10 line forum post?
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I was trying to avoid a lengthy derail. It seemed like a perfectly straightforward question to me. I didn't ask 'what does the Elites mean', I asked who they were. Oh well, maybe lizards.

Fuhgeddaboutit.
 
Given that the Holocaust Denial Industry fails to provide answers and evidence for such crucial things like who decided to fake the holocaust, who did the groundwork (coaching witnesses on all sides (Germans, Jewish, Polish, Russian, Ukrainian), faking the Zyklon B without warning agent, transporting the supposedly still living Jews someplace else (and nobody noticed that either!)), who managed the coordination of all that etc. I'm not exactly holding my breath either.
 
From the aftermath of the H-word story, must-see hilarious video (download it before it predictably gets pulled by Jewish owned Youtube):

'Pop' says the Weasel

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TrtEPiuFwbY

The hololiar Elie Wiesel (he never was in either Auschwitz or Buchenwald, won nevertheless a Nobel price for a book he never wrote about experiences he never had) together with another fraud, Oprah Winfrey, visits Auschwitz (for the first time that is).
 
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