9/11-investigator explains the Holocaust

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I didnt get it from a website
So what makes you think there the material went via the IPN? Is it something you read from CODOH? The IHR?


Absolutely nothing. The ICJ are unable or unwilling to confirm whether they have a holding of Soviet Soap and after repeated attempts there seems little point in sending another unanswered email.
Please copy your email to them here. As you are the person with the conspiracy you know what questions you want to ask. I don't. I will attempt to ask the same questions in a more formal email once I have seen your draft email to the ICJ.



Plenty of worthless affidavits were presented to the the war crimes tribunal. This is another couple.
Why are they worthless? Please explain your exact problem with these signed witness statements by english soldiers and poles.
 
Why are they worthless? Please explain your exact problem with these signed witness statements by english soldiers and poles.
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"They don't agree with my ideological need that they somehow be suspect, thereby proving the Holocaust didn't happen, and besides, da Jooos deserved it anyway."

HTH
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I was not aware of Prof. Spanner having a trial. Could you supply more details of this event please?

Spanner was detained and interrogated in Germany in 1947 and 1948. In his testimony, to which the Polish National Remembrance Institute had access during the inquest, he stated that he used the soap made from human fat exclusively for injection into joint ligaments. The investigation was dropped at the time. The only punishment that Spanner suffered was to be dismissed from the university in Cologne after intervention by the British. Spanner worked afterwards as an ordinary physician in Schleswig-Holstein, and died in Cologne in 1960.
http://en.auschwitz.org.pl/m/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=55&Itemid=8

The hearings were in Hamburg (1947, tabled in 1948) and in Flensburg (1947-48, tabled in 1949)

You will find details in the Dr Neander article that you have read and quoted.
At least twice, in May 1947 and in February 1948, Spanner was reported to the ...
 
You will find details in the Dr Neander article that you have read and quoted.
At least twice, in May 1947 and in February 1948, Spanner was reported to the ...
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You actually expect that bunny has *read* his sources?
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Maybe not. I don't understand where bunny is going. If Dr Spanner says he used human fat why does bunny think there the evidence has been tampered with. What would be the point? None of the participants have ever denied making soap out of human fat. I wonder where this line of questioning is coming from? It's not on Codoh or IHR.


I also don't understand why we have to nominate the evidence number for the soap submitted at Nuremberg. It's "USSR-393" but who cares. I'm not a university who is going to test the soap again. I have to rely on Warsaw University and the original 1946, 1947 and 1948 trials and hearings.

Here is an english translation of the Nuremberg hearing on the matter.
http://avalon.law.yale.edu/imt/02-19-46.asp (scroll down to page 596 near the bottom)
 
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You actually expect that bunny has *read* his sources?
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I can assure you when I do read them I deal with them honestly. I had not quoted from any Dr Neander article aside from the conference paper in German which states clearly there was no trial. After a good deal of time and effort I tracked down the article Matthew Ellard dishonestly truncates his quote from

At least twice, in May 1947 and in February 1948, Spanner was reported to the police.

I would suggest there is a huge difference between "being reported to the police" and a trial. Dr Neander then goes through all the different investigations none of which suggested either a trial or a crime being committed.

Dr Neander has put a one or two of Dr Spanner's statements online including this
Excerpt from the interrogation of Prof. Spanner before the Hamburg, Germany, Criminal Police, May 13, 1947, page 4: (in German, maybe you can give a good translation into English, I do not know the special terminology)
"Beim Verlassen des Instituts sind die elektrischen Heizpatronen abgestellt, und deshalb schwimmt eine ca. 8-10 cm hohe, gelblich dicke, fettige Schicht an der Oberfläche, die hart ist und die der Schreiber des Artikels in 'Sowjet News' als Seife ansah. Ich weise nochmals besonders darauf hin, daß ja jede Mazeration mit Kalilauge bzw. Natronlauge einen Verseifungsprozeß zur besseren Auflösung des den Knochen anhaftenden Gewebes hervorruft."

Very roughly "When we abandoned the Institute the electric heating units [for skeleton preparation baths] were turned off and there was swimming a a circa 8-10 cm high, yellow, fatty layer on the upper surface, which is hard and which the writer of the article in the Soviet News viewed as soap. I again would like to especially point out, that every maceration in calcium or sodium lye for the better removal of tissue clinging to the bones results in a soap creation process"
(thats a rather literal translation rather than a good translation

Doesn't look like he is confessing anything here. To the extent you might get some congealed substance, I might have been too hasty in dismissing Dr Neander's view; you can get all kinds of peculiar residues but these are hardly the type of residues once scraps off and uses as soap and I believe Spanner stated as much.

To the extent he admitted anything regarding injection into joints or ligaments, I assume he was just doing normal specimen preparation that with a bit of wink wink, nudge, nudge was used to evade the Soviet hate propaganda without directly confronting it.

The stakes were high for Prof Spanner, if he could find a formula that saved the face of the victorious Allies and avoided extradition, then I can't see why he wouldnt use it.

Mr Ellard, I think a lot of time would have been saved if you had just been a little more honest and said "OK I was wrong, he didnt face any trials but he did give statements to the police"
Would that have been so hard?
 
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What I object to in Dr Neander's presentation is that the Soviets had been going on for 3 years during the war about the Nazis making soap from bodies. Then they flooded Danzig with journalists to the supposed Soap making factory. Western reporters in 1945 were not shown Treblinka or Belzec or Sobibor, they were taken to the Danzig Anatomical Institute and to see the great Soap Factory

I agree with the way Dr Neander totally trashes Mazur's evidence and affidavit, but I think his refusal to see the whole episode as anything more than an innocent misunderstanding, in terms of Soviet ethics and our understanding of the lack of integrity of Soviet public discourse is a willful refusal to face facts.

None of this should alter the fact that since Prof. Stolywho is unwilling to publish his report and since the ICJ at the Hague do not confirm that have any holding of soap, we have no basis to say there has been any positive identification whatsoever
 
None of this should alter the fact that since Prof. Stolywho is unwilling to publish his report and since the ICJ at the Hague do not confirm that have any holding of soap, we have no basis to say there has been any positive identification whatsoever
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And again: since this is not the only evidence pointing to human soap, and since human soap itself has no bearing on the historicity of the Holocaust: had you a point that *means* anything, or do you just like picking at scabs?

I already know the answer -- and so does anyone else that has read you for even a few days.
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Just out of curiosity, TSR, do you have an ethical problem with using something from the corpse (ie injecting fat tissue into a joint) during skeleton preparation?

Ahhhhh, how the mighty have been humbled!
Soap in the American consciousness
1942 - Stephen Wiseman claims the Germans are shipping off Jews to great factories where they are being melted down for fat.
1945 - The USSR invites american journalists to visit a German Soap Factory in Danzig (a german city whose inhabitants were in the process of being expelled)
1990s. Well, maybe there was no soap factory, but soap was made and used in an experimental basis
2006: Prof. Spanner may have injected a substance derived from the corpse into its joints during skeleton preparation.

And Prof. Stolywho still can release neither his report or his methodology and still no one can get an archival reference number for Soviet Soap in the ICJ archives in the Hague.
 
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And yet again: since this is not the only evidence pointing to human soap, and since human soap itself has no bearing on the historicity of the Holocaust: had you a point that *means* anything, or do you just like picking at scabs?

It's a straight-forward question, but you seem strangely reluctant to actually commit yourself to a position you may be forced to support with, you know, more than hand waving and implication.

Grow a pair, will you, and tell us what you really 'think?'
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I am softening you up for the revelation that Krema II and III were really bakeries.

So, TSR, why is it that no one can get the ICJ archive office to respond with a reference number for the holding of Soviet Soap.

They won't answer me, perhaps you have the magic touch.
 
No, the Allies used bakeries as krematorium. Although what you say is not as silly as you think (OK it is fairly silly). But Jasenovac had a brick factory that was supposed to have multitasked as a crematorium

DC, as a big favor could you email the ICJ in the Hague and see if their archives have a holding of Soviet Soap and what the reference number is? They won't reply to me.
 
No, the Allies used bakeries as krematorium. Although what you say is not as silly as you think (OK it is fairly silly). But Jasenovac had a brick factory that was supposed to have multitasked as a crematorium

DC, as a big favor could you email the ICJ in the Hague and see if their archives have a holding of Soviet Soap and what the reference number is? They won't reply to me.

no, i would have to inform myself on this topic, wich i have no interest in and has no relevance to the Holocaust denial in my oppinion.
 
Just out of curiosity, TSR, do you have an ethical problem with using something from the corpse (ie injecting fat tissue into a joint) during skeleton preparation?

Ahhhhh, how the mighty have been humbled!
Soap in the American consciousness
1942 - Stephen Wiseman claims the Germans are shipping off Jews to great factories where they are being melted down for fat.
1945 - The USSR invites american journalists to visit a German Soap Factory in Danzig (a german city whose inhabitants were in the process of being expelled)
1990s. Well, maybe there was no soap factory, but soap was made and used in an experimental basis
2006: Prof. Spanner may have injected a substance derived from the corpse into its joints during skeleton preparation.
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Actually that should Rabbi Stephen Wise in 1942 (not Wiseman....oops)
 
Actually that should Rabbi Stephen Wise in 1942 (not Wiseman....oops)

Wise got his start early in the holocaust hoax ....

As early as 1900, Wise is recorded telling a Zionist gathering that "there are 6,000,000 living, bleeding, suffering arguments in favor of Zionism" as reported in a New York Times article.

In 1914 he was co-founder of the NAACP !

He was a director of the American Jewish Congress and was one of the major players in the holocaust hoax during World War One, Wise and the American Jewish Congress are covered extensively in the book "The First Holocaust, Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holocaust Claims During World War One" by Don Heddesheimer.

He was a 'close personal friend' of Franklin Roosevelt.

In 1933 he led the efforts for a Jewish boycott of Nazi Germany.

In 'The Hoax of the Twentieth Century' Butz describes Wise's role in making holocaust phantasmagoria generated by the World Jewish Congress the basis of US post war policy. The Jews achieved their goal when FDR created the War Refugee Board, a US govt. organization responsible for policy regarding refugees, and making Zionist Henry Morgenthau the director (with two others). The WRB published hoax propaganda based solely on the 'eyewitness accounts' of unidentified persons transmitted through the World Jewish Congress, as US government reports, see

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/wrbrep.html

Thus pure phantasmagoria was given the full authority of the US govt. and the holocaust hoax became the official policy of the US govt.
 
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The WRB published strait hoax propaganda i based on the 'eyewitness accounts' of unidentified persons transmitted through the World Jewish Congress, as US government reports, see

http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/wrbrep.html
Saggy, you have already brought up the Vrba/Wetzler report on page 85. Your "proof" that the report is a hoax was a link to a Youtube video of David Irving saying he doesn't believe in it. That wasn't very convincing.
 
Saggy, you have already brought up the Vrba/Wetzler report on page 85. Your "proof" that the report is a hoax was a link to a Youtube video of David Irving saying he doesn't believe in it. That wasn't very convincing.

You missed the point of the Irving video, which was that the report was issued on the SOLE authority of Morgenthau and without the knowledge of the other directors ..... let's see if I can find it ....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jc9ltEIwpo&NR=1

either that one on the next vid of the lecture. Great stuff, learn about Churchill as an art forger !
 
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