The Freeman Movement and England

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tobjai said:
How about a video documentation from London, Ontario?
Unfortunately I'm not allowed to post URLs in this Forum yet (cos' I'm new).
So, just go to youtube and find the channel "awkword519". It will be his featured video.
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This is the video I found.

What I see is typical of Freeman "video evidence". They begin recording, the police officers explain on video that all the criminal codes still apply no matter what a person pretends he is, and mysteriously (right at the point where the police officers normally tell him "You're not driving this car anymore without insurance, period" and give him a few tickets), the camera... automatically shuts off, and we are presented with a completely evidenceless assertion on the part of the purported Freeman that "They thanked him for his time and went their separate ways."

Then the camera turns on and he claims "see? There's my car, I win."

Again, this is very typical. There is no actual evidence of anything other than that he had an encounter with police and his car has an illegal tag on the back -- and he admits to no drivers' license and no insurance. This sort of thing is the propaganda that keeps FOTL going to jail -- I just wonder why none of them seem bright enough to understand that the video-maker has lied to them about what happened.
 
remirol said:
Again, this is very typical. There is no actual evidence of anything other than that he had an encounter with police and his car has an illegal tag on the back -- and he admits to no drivers' license and no insurance. This sort of thing is the propaganda that keeps FOTL going to jail -- I just wonder why none of them seem bright enough to understand that the video-maker has lied to them about what happened.
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Aww. I found another one.

Doesn't look so good for the video-maker in this one; the camera stays on and he gets a bunch of tickets. Looks like another FOTL fail.

Hey, you know something? It looks like this video is from the same traffic stop as the first. Same angle of two police cars, same angle of his own car. Interesting, isn't it?
 
remirol said:
"They thanked him for his time and went their separate ways."
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Actually, that part I believe. Canadian cops tend to be much more polite than US cops from what I've seen, and I have little doubt that they thanked him for his time - after giving him a ticket. I recently got a ticket, and the cop was nice enough to explain to me what I needed to do to get it reduced to a city offense instead of a provincial, so as to not get points on my license.

And of course, what he told me actually worked.....:D


remirol said:
Aww. I found another one.

Doesn't look so good for the video-maker in this one; the camera stays on and he gets a bunch of tickets. Looks like another FOTL fail.

Hey, you know something? It looks like this video is from the same traffic stop as the first. Same angle of two police cars, same angle of his own car. Interesting, isn't it?
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It's not the same, in this one at least three cops showed up, in the first there were only two. Do we know when these stops happened? It would be interesting to see how their reactions evolve over time.
 
jargon buster said:
The guy in the video is Joshua
Hes got his own court date pending
Theres a guy called mika over on the thread I posted earlier posting as Sentinal this may be the guy in your link but Im not sure.
They sure are coming out of the woodwork at the moment.
The guys over in Canada are pointing the police Menards way and believe it or not Menards calling them grasses and is blowing a gasket.
Strange behaviour indeed for someone who statutory legislation does not apply:D

JB
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I'm sorry, I thought "to grass" was a slang term meaning to report unlawful behavior to the authorities. How could anyone "grass" on Menard if he's only doing perfectly legal things?
 
Hoser cops rule!

I'm highly entertained by Josh and his faimly's adventures with the Ontario justice system. Read about how his Mom goes to jail for the cause here:

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=4289

Josh is paid-up member of the World Freeman Society. Unfortunately, that doesn't help him much! Extra funny: his pleas to Rob to help him. Sorry, dude! He's got your money. Mission accomplished!
 
D'rok said:
I just watched a bunch of those videos from London, Ont. I'm actually really impressed with how calm and professional the cops are. These FOTLers should thank their lucky stars that they aren't trying to pull this crap in L.A. County or something.
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Or Texas.
 
D'rok said:
Hoser cops rule!

I'm highly entertained by Josh and his faimly's adventures with the Ontario justice system. Read about how his Mom goes to jail for the cause here:

http://forum.worldfreemansociety.org/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=4289

Josh is paid-up member of the World Freeman Society. Unfortunately, that doesn't help him much! Extra funny: his pleas to Rob to help him. Sorry, dude! He's got your money. Mission accomplished!
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I notice the FOTL ritual seems to get more elaborate over time. Not not only do you have to write the magic words and cite the proper UCC code (which doesn't apply to US criminal cases, but hey what do we care about facts) - but you also have to write it at a 45 degree angle!

write on the 45 degree angle in red pen "Refused for cause without dishonour, without recourse, without prejudice UCC 1 -207
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And yet even after doing the proper ritual, the legal system still carries on as if the ritual had no impact. To us, this is more evidence that FOTL fails. To the brainwashed...it just means that the police aren't playing by the rules.

If you follow that thread to the end, after his mom goes to jail, he goes to court again on behalf of his mom and does all the proper FOTL ritual (doesn't pass the bar, makes loud proclamations about his rights, etc.). The state decided to move the court date forward, and now hes celebrating as if hes won..I don't quite think he understood all that happened was they moved the court date and none of his rituals had an impact...
 
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LightinDarkness said:
I don't quite think he understood all that happened was they moved the court date and none of his rituals had an impact...
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And this is one of the weaknesses (or strengths, if you're not a whack job) of our system that these guys exploit. The courts will usually bend over backwards to allow people to have the time they need to present a proper defense. These delays, which have no real impact on the application of the law, are taken as "victories" by the whack jobs, who never seem to follow up on what happens later.

Notice in that thread, his last update was over a month ago. Is his mother still in jail? Was the case dismissed? Why hasn't he said anything about what's happened since that court date?
 
remirol said:
What I see is typical of Freeman "video evidence". They begin recording, the police officers explain on video that all the criminal codes still apply no matter what a person pretends he is, and mysteriously (right at the point where the police officers normally tell him "You're not driving this car anymore without insurance, period" and give him a few tickets), the camera... automatically shuts off, and we are presented with a completely evidenceless assertion on the part of the purported Freeman that "They thanked him for his time and went their separate ways."

Then the camera turns on and he claims "see? There's my car, I win."

Again, this is very typical. There is no actual evidence of anything other than that he had an encounter with police and his car has an illegal tag on the back -- and he admits to no drivers' license and no insurance. This sort of thing is the propaganda that keeps FOTL going to jail -- I just wonder why none of them seem bright enough to understand that the video-maker has lied to them about what happened.
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You guys must be in denial.

Several times the one cop says "k, perfect"... and then even goes on to say "once you go on to the highway you need to have insurance".

With other words they've just agreed to Joshua being clear for travelling around in his automobile anywhere but on the highway (AND stand yet to be corrected on this account).

As the video comes to an end the cops are merely having a conversation with Josh, learning some more about individual sovereignty.
Cop: "So you are going for common law right to transit... essentially, right?... It's not something we deal with very frequently"
"Do you guys have OHIP (Ontario Health Insurance Plan)".... NO
"Do you have any provincial benefits".... NO
At this point the cop is confirming, that Josh doesn't just pick and choose from the system.

BTW: Another very interesting video on Josh's channel is the one where he is being barred from entering the supposed public court room by a bunch of armed thugs.

I understand you guys are trying hard to justify un-natural state coercion while padding each others shoulders. But I'm sorry guys. This is proof. It's indisputable that these Police officers have taken their job seriously and indeed acted as peace officers on behalf of the people, and not on behalf of the crown corporation!
 
What do you contend "the highway" means in this context?
 
Agatha said:
What do you contend "the highway" means in this context?
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You might be pointing your finger at the definition out of the Ontario Highway Traffic Act (addressing persons only!), which is as follows:

“highway” includes a common and public highway, street, avenue, parkway, driveway, square, place, bridge, viaduct or trestle, any part of which is intended for or used by the general public for the passage of vehicles and includes the area between the lateral property lines thereof; (“voie publique”)

Now, when using the words "highway", "freeway", or "motorway" on a colloquial basis, people in Ontario generally regard to roads which are usually outside cities and have much higher speed limits. Go use a common dictionary and compare this with city streets, country- or rural roads etc. Subsequently, it is more than likely that this police officer spoke in this context.

Obviously I cant prove that this is true. But I don't have to, either. After all, it is not me or the FMOTL movement that wants to control and coerce human beings without the God/Nature given right to do so. YOU, dear friend (a supporter of the system I suppose) carry the burden of prove. So go ahead, prove me wrong.
 
I would suspect it is a great deal more likely that the police officer meant highway to mean any road, than he was using a very narrow, colloquial definition.

In Britain highway would be understood to be any road maintained at the public cost - "the public highway".

And no, you intruduced this video as supposed proof that this freeloaderontheland nonsense "works". The burden of proof remains on you.
 
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tobjai said:
BTW: Another very interesting video on Josh's channel is the one where he is being barred from entering the supposed public court room by a bunch of armed thugs.
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FYI: most of us same persons call them Bailiffs. We understand that it is their job to provide security for the public courthouses, and that duty does sometimes entail barring entry to people. Now, I am not certain about Canada, but I know in the US, cameras are generally not allowed inside courtrooms, so if you have a video of them barring Josh entry, it might have to do with him trying to bring a camera into a room in which they are not allowed.
 
tobjai said:
You guys must be in denial.
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Given that the maker of the video is currently facing charges, I think it better to say that you and FOTLers are the ones in denial.

Once again, there is no evidence that the statement made by the videomaker is remotely true. Every piece of conversation you have quoted is a perfectly reasonable prelude to "OK, we're going to give you some tickets now. You need to have a license and insurance before driving; do not drive the car until then."

The simple reality is that, as with all Freeman "evidence", there isn't any actual evidence involved. No video of the cops saying "You're free to go", no video of the cops leaving and the video-owner driving off -- just another half-assed edited piece of crap on Youtube that (conveniently) cuts out before the parts that would really prove something.
 
tobjai said:
You might be pointing your finger at the definition out of the Ontario Highway Traffic Act (addressing persons only!), which is as follows:

“highway” includes a common and public highway, street, avenue, parkway, driveway, square, place, bridge, viaduct or trestle, any part of which is intended for or used by the general public for the passage of vehicles and includes the area between the lateral property lines thereof; (“voie publique”)
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Here's the really sad part. I was going to post that very definition, in hopes that you were just plain ignorant of the meaning of the term as used by police in their official capacity.

But here you are, in full possession of all the relevant facts, and you still don't get it.

So I'm done. There's nothing anyone could say or do that will convince you you're wrong. You'll simple have to stand as yet another example of how deluded some people can be, in hopes that you can act as a warning to others who might be tempted down this path.
 
Hey tobjai:

How much of your money does Rob have? Which part of this fee schedule did you agree to:

http://worldfreemansociety.org/tiki-index.php?page=Payments

I notice that Josh didn't have much luck when he presented his WFS ID to the cop. (That was in a follow-up vid, BTW). How's that working for you? Do you have one? Any successes? Josh is facing serious legal consequences for his FOTL shenanigans (as are other London hosers like Terry). How about you?

Or maybe you just buy Menard's materials:

http://shop.worldfreemansociety.org/

Relied on any of that in court yet? Please tell us how it went.

Oh, and the WFS site is subject to Canadian Copyright:

http://worldfreemansociety.org/tiki-index.php?page=Copyright&copyrightpage=Payments

The Copyright Act is a statute. Did you consent to that? Hmmmm...

Every wondered what the "cunning" bit is in "Rob's Very Cunning Plan"? (Hint: we're not the only ones laughing at you.)
 
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