Evidence for why we know the New Testament writers told the truth.

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One has to wonder why 20,000 thousand police were needed for a massive state run funeral and procession using the carriage used by former prime ministers for as you say a cruel and deluded woman.
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Maybe they all wanted to be sure she was really dead?
 
DOC said:
One has to wonder why 20,000 thousand police were needed for a massive state run funeral and procession using the carriage used by former prime ministers for as you say a cruel and deluded woman.
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You think that's bad? You should've seen the people who turned out at the funeral for Kim Il-Sung.



But I imagine there's a perfectly good reason why your "logic" applies to Mother Theresa, and not a Stalinist dictator.
 
Well, DOC, could it be because the Indian government was happy to make use of Teresa's worldwide fame, and that the Indian media are just as woo-friendly as their Western counterparts? Or that people everywhere tend to fall for media-induced hysteria when a celebrity dies? Oddly enough Teresa's death went almost unnoticed in Britain because it took place on the day of Princess Diana's funeral.
 
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I added this to my post:
carlitos said:
ETA - As you have learned countless times in this thread, people have died for many incorrect beliefs. Hitler died for the superiority of Nazism, David Koresh martyred himself thinking he was the new messiah, the Heaven's Gate cult killed themselves believing that the earth was about to be wiped clean based on their reading of the BOOK OF REVELATION. The suicide bombers of Al Qaeda kill themselves as a pathway to paradise in Islam. Are all of these things true?

Do you understand that people being killed for something doesn't make it true?
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and you replied with this rubbish:
DOC said:
Strawman, never said it does make it true.

And "many" miracles were reported being done by the apostles by Luke (the Luke Sir William M. Ramsay talked about).
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You are so disingenuous, DOC. You ignore my point and respond to the "ETA" - the afterthought. Here is the question again. It responds to the source you posted about the martyred apostles.

This explanation at your source bothers me.

Really? He was thrown in boiling oil but unharmed? Really?

Which is more likely:

1 - A human being was thrown into a vat of boiling oil and his skin didn't peel off, he didn't breathe in oil and suffocate, melting his lungs, etc. He emerged "unharmed." (Having worked at KFC, I can tell you what hot oil does to human skin)

or

2 - The above account is a fantasy tale told in the 'oral tradition'
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Please formulate your answer as follows.

1 (explanation)
2 (explanation)
other (explanation)
 
amb said:
DOC. Why don't we have miracles today every now and then? I don't mean the odd cancer sufferer who goes into remission by completely natural means. Say, a miracle like the AIDS epidemic in Sub Sahara Africa suddenly been cured by no known explanation. That would do for christianity what a million god botheres can ever achieve.
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Maybe the greatest miracle are the words in the New Testament and they are with us every day. Thomas Jefferson didn't cut out nearly 900 verses of it with a razor just for the heck of it.
 
carlitos said:
I added this to my post:
and you replied with this rubbish:


You are so disingenuous, DOC. You ignore my point and respond to the "ETA" - the afterthought. Here is the question again. It responds to the source you posted about the martyred apostles.



Please formulate your answer as follows.

1 (explanation)
2 (explanation)
other (explanation)
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A miracle is a miracle -- there were "many" miracles done by the apostles if you believe the bible-- why are you especially amazed by this one.
 
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DOC said:
Maybe the greatest miracle are the words in the New Testament and they are with us every day. Thomas Jefferson didn't cut out nearly 900 verses of it with a razor just for the heck of it.
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Just cut out all the Jesus miracle stuff.

Paul

:) :) :)
 
DOC said:
A miracle is a miracle -- there were "many" miracles done by the apostles if you believe the bible-- why should are you especially amazed by this one.
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There are many (no quotes needed DOC, you remind me of Joey from Friends...) miracles performed by virtually every character in the Harry Potter books if you believe those books. How much more lame can an argument get?

ETA: Holy crap, did I just compare DOC with Joey without pointing out that I only meant the confusion about use of the quotes? Man...
 
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DOC said:
Maybe the greatest miracle are the words in the New Testament and they are with us every day. Thomas Jefferson didn't cut out nearly 900 verses of it with a razor just for the heck of it.
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No, he cut around the miracles and other bits of obvious fiction. That is why his bible is a tiny fraction of the whole thing.
DOC said:
A miracle is a miracle -- there were "many" miracles done by the apostles if you believe the bible-- why should are you especially amazed by this one.
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I am amazed that you have not been able to bring a single piece of reliable evidence that that the NT writers told the truth about a single miracle.
 
DOC said:
Maybe the greatest miracle are the words in the New Testament and they are with us every day. Thomas Jefferson didn't cut out nearly 900 verses of it with a razor just for the heck of it.
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You are right. He cut out all those verses as a way of removing the silly superstitious nonsense, like Jesus rising from the grave, performing miracles, and being the son of god.


All the things you are attempting to provide evidence for.
 
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Well, DOC, could it be because the Indian government was happy to make use of Teresa's worldwide fame, and that the Indian media are just as woo-friendly as their Western counterparts? Or that people everywhere tend to fall for media-induced hysteria when a celebrity dies? Oddly enough Teresa's death went almost unnoticed in Britain because it took place on the day of Princess Diana's funeral.
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So the Indian government wanted to bring attention to the severe poverty present in their country at the time and the fact that a foreigner of a non-Hindu religion could do something they couldn't do themselves?

And maybe the attention had something to do this.

From Wiki's article "Missionaries of Charity":

Missionaries of Charity is a Roman Catholic religious order established in 1950 by Mother Teresa of Calcutta, which consists of over 4,500 sisters and is active in 133 countries. Members of the order designate their affiliation using the order's initials, "M.C." Member nuns must adhere to the vows of chastity, poverty and obedience, and the fourth vow, to give "Wholehearted and Free service to the poorest of the poor".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionaries_of_Charity
 
DOC said:
So the Indian government wanted to bring attention to the severe poverty present in their country at the time and the fact that a foreigner of a non-Hindu religion could do something they couldn't do themselves?

And maybe the attention had something to do this.

From Wiki's article "Missionaries of Charity":

Missionaries of Charity is a Roman Catholic religious order established in 1950 by Mother Teresa of Calcutta, which consists of over 4,500 sisters and is active in 133 countries. Members of the order designate their affiliation using the order's initials, "M.C." Member nuns must adhere to the vows of chastity, poverty and obedience, and the fourth vow, to give "Wholehearted and Free service to the poorest of the poor".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionaries_of_Charity
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Stick to the topic and provide some evidence of the supernatural.
 
DOC said:
A miracle is a miracle -- there were "many" miracles done by the apostles if you believe the bible-- why are you especially amazed by this one.
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Which of the Gospel writer's saw any of these miracles?
 
DOC said:
So the Indian government wanted to bring attention to the severe poverty present in their country at the time and the fact that a foreigner of a non-Hindu religion could do something they couldn't do themselves?

And maybe the attention had something to do this.

From Wiki's article "Missionaries of Charity":

Missionaries of Charity is a Roman Catholic religious order established in 1950 by Mother Teresa of Calcutta, which consists of over 4,500 sisters and is active in 133 countries. Members of the order designate their affiliation using the order's initials, "M.C." Member nuns must adhere to the vows of chastity, poverty and obedience, and the fourth vow, to give "Wholehearted and Free service to the poorest of the poor".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missionaries_of_Charity
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Did DOC say something relevant?
 
kmortis said:
The problem there is that The Christ Myth is in the minority of biblical scholars in thinking that Jesus was made up out of whole cloth. The majority opinion was that the stories were based on a real person and embellished. From what I know, that's Erhman's position.

I'm not saying that you're wrong, mind you, just that most of the people who study these things disagree. Since I have a layman's knowledge, I kinda have to side with the majority on this one. YMMV
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And you are possibly correct. I'm in the minority position simply because 90% of biblical scholars, including Erhman take Jesus' existence as the default position before they start their research. Some cannot find a historical Jeebus anywhere, but nevertheless come away with a Jesus as historical fact position.
Based on, in my opinion, dubious readings of the gospels.
 
From Wiki is these facts as well.

Scholarly perspectives notwithstanding, research indicates that the Christ myth theory enjoys notable support within the general population. A 2005 study conducted by Baylor University found that 1% of Americans in general and 13.7% of religiously unaffiliated Americans in particular believe that Jesus is "a fictional character".[140] A 2008 ComRes survey discovered that 13% of the British population likewise believe that "Jesus never existed", a number that jumps to 40% when only atheists are considered.[141] A similar study administered by McCrindle Research in 2009 found that 11% of Australians doubt that Jesus was a historical figure.[142]
 
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