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Racism in Australia

Not quite Zep
In many of the remote communities they do want it managed by 'outsiders', but to a point. The stories of 'standover' type tactics, the wholesale 'thieving' of income of others by the strongest and most dominant in the community means that (say) women and children have very few rights and go without. Not to mention the many other abuses that can and do occur. Drugs and alcohol use have been rife on these outposts and caused massive problems.
Indeed so. These issues do exist and they need to be addressed. My concern is that imposing a white fella solution may not be the smartest way. It would be the equivalent of imposing, say, a Japanese solution on modern Australian problems - it may seem technically perfect, but it may not be readily accepted either and could thus easily fail.

Nothing about this has a simple, one-size-fits-all solution...

It is not an underlying racism in Australia today (that the OP is suggesting) that causes these issues, it is far broader than that and dates back decades; to suggest it is racism is simply an ignorant reaction based on limited knowledge of a very difficult and sensitive situation.
Agreed. The Stolen Generation solution was not based so much on outright racism and/or eugenics as it was on plain missionary zeal to "improve the plight of the native Australians". That it created far more problems than it ever solved indicates lack of initial forethought and review. Of course, it didn't stop racism being involved either.

I agree that some of 'white Australia's' historical efforts were poor and misplaced, others in more recent times have missed the mark also. But many (I would go nearly so far as to say all) policies have been made by well intentioned individuals with the best interests of our indigenous foremost in their minds.
Agreed also. The 1960's constitutional referendum and the Mabo decision were major turning points, no matter how the press and some recalcitrants painted them. We have come a way,but there's still a way to go.

It's offensive to the vast majority of Australians who are not racist and it is also offensive to the indigenous of Australia.

You had already formed an opinion, and your comments also proved they were baseless.

You are a flog who can't recognise his own ignorance. :)
Of course, all Americans wear loud Hawaiian shirts, drink Budweiser, and talk too loud. And all Britains are chinless, gap-toothed, upper-class twits who don't bathe. And all French are frog-eating, beret-wearing surrender-monkeys... I could go on plastering whole countries with nasty national stereotypes for hours! Because they are all true! :D
 
Having a browse through the posted site it stood out to me that a lot of the critisim leveled was aimed at the government. If all peoples of a society should be judged by the actions of their government. Then sadly we are guilty as charged

However, no matter what country we come from, we know our governments are often out of step with what the community desires. In the case of Aboriginal racism in Australia, we have actually come a very long way in a very short time.

Mistakes were made in the past, only a fool would argue othewise. We cant undo or fix the past, but we can acknowledge it. Hence the importance of the "Sorry" speech a few years ago.

What I have seen in my time is a major turn around in the understanding of Aboriginal culture, respect being given for a people, who in the past struggled for such recognisition. In the area I lived, I knew who the local tribe was. Where their burial ground was.

Now, when new facilities are built in the area, Aboriginal tribal members are invited to as part of the opening ceremony. And the understanding is clear. They were the original custodians of the land, and we must take responsibility for the continuation of that custody

In 1967 it was realised that Aboriginals did not have the right to vote in Australian elections. A referrendum was called, and with multi party support the vote to allow them the right was passed with something like a 97% yes vote. That is not the mark of a racisist people. It is the mark of not realising a situation, and correcting it once found
 
Mistakes were made in the past, only a fool would argue othewise. We cant undo or fix the past, but we can acknowledge it. Hence the importance of the "Sorry" speech a few years ago.
It's very easy to underestimate the importance of the Apology.
 
Isn't that interesting. The vast majority of people at the time, including myself thought it was about the vote

Oh well you live and learn

Yeah, but since when did anyone ever understand referendum questions?:D

I swear they hire someone to write them in as confusing a way as possible.
 
It's very easy to underestimate the importance of the Apology.

Please, I am not arguing the apology should not have been given. The apology was never going to fix the past, but it most definately is going to grease the wheels of change in the future.
 
Yeah, but since when did anyone ever understand referendum questions?:D

I swear they hire someone to write them in as confusing a way as possible.

LOL which is the reason so few of them pass. The attitude seems to be. I have no idea what they are asking, so I better vote no, just in case
 
Well, I for one will happily admit that there is racism in Australia. Ask anyone's grandfather. I have a question though.

Why the quotes around "australians"? Do you think we're all just pretending, or something?
Well what do the Aboriginals think? Are they comfortable with being called "Australians" or "Aboriginals/Aboriginees" for that matter? Perhaps they're perfectly fine with it but I'm not sure at this point hence the quote marks.
 
Well what do the Aboriginals think? Are they comfortable with being called "Australians" or "Aboriginals/Aboriginees" for that matter? Perhaps they're perfectly fine with it but I'm not sure at this point hence the quote marks.

That looks like a weasel excuse.
 
That looks like a weasel excuse.


One o' them there fishin' weasels, actually.


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My thoughts are that interference in other cultures doesn't work. Some South American tribes that have had little to no outside influence have shown that Science and/or religion is not the be all and end all. They live life with much love and respect for each other and the environment and don't have all these issues that are rife in modern societies like addictions.
 
My thoughts are that interference in other cultures doesn't work. Some South American tribes that have had little to no outside influence have shown that Science and/or religion is not the be all and end all. They live life with much love and respect for each other and the environment and don't have all these issues that are rife in modern societies like addictions.


You do realise that white settlement in Australia is 222 years old, don't you?

Why are you treating this matter as though the whiteys had only just discovered the place?


According to the research which you've done yourself, what percentage of the total population of Australia is made up by the indigenous people?
 
*humms "3%, 3%, 3%" to himself while doing a waltz*


After gerg did the hit and run on the Australia thread over in History et al., I went to the ANTAR website. It's curiously lacking in concrete grievances. They seem to object to the NTER but fail to make a case as to why it is bad and what they think are good alternatives.

Also I'm intrigued by the "untouched indigenous tribes are one with nature and totally utopian" vibe. Neither science nor cynicism seem to be able to kill it.:boggled:
 
You do realise that white settlement in Australia is 222 years old, don't you?
Yes many many years of interference and look what it's done to the original inhabitants...

Why are you treating this matter as though the whiteys had only just discovered the place??
that's your spin on it.


According to the research which you've done yourself, what percentage of the total population of Australia is made up by the indigenous people?
what is this some western education system type general knowledge quiz?? ..puhleeze..
 
Yes many many years of interference and look what it's done to the original inhabitants...
Are you talking about the Australian aborigine after European settlement? Or the Picts and Celts of Britain after the Roman and Norman invasions.

that's your spin on it.
OK, what's YOUR spin on it?


what is this some western education system type general knowledge quiz?? ..puhleeze..
Well, yes. Yes, it is. And do you have an answer...puhleeze?
 
I don't get this thread. Why is there so much anger over the suggestion that racism is a problem in Australia, when everyone pretty much admits it's true?
 
Are you talking about the Australian aborigine after European settlement? Or the Picts and Celts of Britain after the Roman and Norman invasions.
The title of the thread should hopefully give a clue

OK, what's YOUR spin on it?
I refer you to my earlier post where I gave my thoughts on the matter
 
I think racism is still a problem in America too, so don't attack me (if you wouldn't mind... thanks) - I just have a worthless hearsay-based anecdote to share. My parents, went to Australia on business a few years ago and they said they were surprised by how racist some of their colleagues there were toward "abos" or whatever the term is. These people they met could have been far from representative of Australians of course. But it does seem to suggest to me that those, however few, who actually are racist must pay less of a social price for it than we would in the US, for example.
 

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