Merged bullet hole in the windshield of JFK's limo/ You might be...

[7forever]

You cannot be serious, Bill.

 

[TSR]

What's to give up on?

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The fact that your witness was ten feet aware and does not report hearing a shot from the car
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The driver had the only angle to not only create the exit wound but the violent backward motion of his head and body.

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You've been schooled on this before: bullet to head causes matter to move in the direction of travel, so if head moves forward, that's where the bullet was pointed.

How do you explain that not a *single* witness saw the driver turn around, fire three shots (and how do explain Connelly if the driver was the shooter) and then turn around again? None of the Secret Service guys who were *right there* to hear the shot ever said it was from the car -- were they all in on it too? And how about the idiocy of a group that could have arranged an accident choosing instead to stage an assassination in an open vehicle which was monitored by dozens if not hundreds of people not "in the know" along with their still cameras and movie cameras? In all the years after, why has no one come forward with anything which even suggests that the driver turned around to take the shot?
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[7forever]

I just noticed this...Wow just Wow

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/comp6.htm#miller
Royce Skelton's Warren Commission Testimony (back to the list of witnesses)
(Skelton was standing on the triple overpass)
Mr. BALL - Did you see the President's car turn on Elm Street?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes, sir; I saw the car carrying the Presidential flag turn.
Mr. BALL - And did you hear something soon after that?
Mr. SKELTON - Just about the same time the car straightened up - got around the corner - I heard two shots, but I didn't know at the time they were shots.
Mr. BALL - Where did they seem to come from?
Mr. SKELTON - Well, I couldn't tell then, they were still to far from where I was.
Mr. BALL - Did the shots sound like they came from where you were standing?
Mr. SKELTON - No, sir; definitely not. It sounded like they were right there - more or less like motorcycle backfire, but I thought that they were these dumb balls that they throw at the cement because I could see the smoke coming up off the cement.
Mr. BALL - You saw smoke come off the cement?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Where did it seem to you that the sound came from, what direction?
Mr. SKELTON - Towards the President's car.
Mr. BALL - From the President's car.
Mr. SKELTON - right around the motorcycles and all that - I couldn't distinguish because it was too far away.
Mr. BALL - How long did you stand there?
Mr. SKELTON - I stood there from about 12:15 until the time the President was shot.
Mr. BALL - How many shots did you hear?
Mr. SKELTON - I think I heard four - I mean - I couldn't be sure.
Mr. BALL - You think you heard four?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes.

 

[I Ratant]

Photo "study" is such a precise science. This photo shows the real killer.
[qimg]http://i889.photobucket.com/albums/ac98/77forever/WallPaint441.jpg[/qimg]
Yes, as it turns out, zombie Jackie needed feeding.

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Other than LHOLN, Jackie is the only person in Dealey Plaza that day who would have had a motive to off the cheating bastard!

 

[TSR]

I couldn't distinguish because it was too far away.

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And you believe this *helps* your case ... how?
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[TSR]

Mr. BALL - You saw smoke come off the cement?
Mr. SKELTON - Yes.

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So, the driver also took a couple of potshots at the street or sidewalk?
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[7forever]

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The fact that your witness was ten feet aware and does not report hearing a shot from the car
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You've been schooled on this before: bullet to head causes matter to move in the direction of travel, so if head moves forward, that's where the bullet was pointed.

How do you explain that not a *single* witness saw the driver turn around, fire three shots (and how do explain Connelly if the driver was the shooter) and then turn around again? None of the Secret Service guys who were *right there* to hear the shot ever said it was from the car -- were they all in on it too? And how about the idiocy of a group that could have arranged an accident choosing instead to stage an assassination in an open vehicle which was monitored by dozens if not hundreds of people not "in the know" along with their still cameras and movie cameras? In all the years after, why has no one come forward with anything which even suggests that the driver turned around to take the shot?
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Not one person has schooled me on anything. Show me a shred of evidence which shows either a human or crash dummie going in the direction from which the force came. It's not possible. Are you saying his head goes slightly forward without his shoulders and body moving forward at all, his head stops, and then his head and body magically go backward violently. That is retarded nonsense.

 

[7forever]

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So, the driver also took a couple of potshots at the street or sidewalk?
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Do you think it's possible for a man's hair reflection to recoil at the exact moment a gun is fired?LOL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jis...&p=CA3C4F4B4B12C20C&playnext_from=PL&index=17

 

[7forever]

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And you believe this *helps* your case ... how?
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Without question, because the driver is the only person who could have fired the fatal shot which exited the right rear portion of his skull. No doubt it's a piece to be used.

 

[7forever]

Greer fired one shot, the fatal shot which appears to be the fourth of five shots.

Mr. SPECTER - What occurred at the time of the fourth shot which you believe you heard?
Mrs. HILL - Well, at that time, of course, there was a pause and I took the other shots---about that time Mary grabbed me and was yelling and I had looked away from what was going on here and I thought, because I guess from the TV and movies, that it was Secret Service agents shooting back. To me, if somebody shoots at somebody they always shoot back and so I just thought that that's what it was and I thought, well, they are getting him and shooting back, you know; I didn't know.
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/hill_j.htm

 

[JimBenArm]

I thought that it had been definitively proven that George Herbivore Walkonthewildside Bush was doing tequila shots on the Glassy Bowl which glinted in Oddball's eyes causing Ruby Slippers to take a fall into the back on Connelly's arms, planting a pristine pasta shell on his sleeve, inadvertently depositing a book in Jackie's lap.

It's all in my book "Nonsense I've Heard From Lunatics".

 

[TSR]

Greer fired one shot, the fatal shot which appears to be the fourth of five shots.

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According to *this* witness,

Mrs. HILL - I have always said there were some four to six shots.

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In addition, this witness specifically states that she saw JKF go down. And that it was at the *first* shot.

Mr. SPECTER - What was the position of the President, as best you recollect it, at the time the first shot was heard by you?
Mrs. HILL - He was slightly turned, he was sitting back in the seat, slightly turned toward Mrs. Kennedy and his head was down, and his hands were like this (indicating).
Mr. SPECTER - His hands were in his lap?
Mrs. HILL - No--not really.
Mr. SPECTER - How would you describe the position of his hands?
Mrs. HILL - He was sitting here [indicating] and Mrs. Kennedy---he was like this [indicating].
Mr. SPECTER - You are indicating the right hand on the left knee?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - With the body turned slightly toward the person on his left?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - Who would have been Mrs. Kennedy?
Mrs. HILL - Yes.
Mr. SPECTER - And were you watching him at this time?
Mrs. HILL - Yes, I was looking right at his face.
Mr. SPECTER - And what reaction, if any, did he have at the time of the first shot?
Mrs. HILL - As I said, I had yelled at him and he had started to raise his head up and I saw his head start to come up and all at once a bullet rang out and he slumped forward like this [indicating].

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But you know what she *doesn't* say? That she saw the driver turn around and take a shot.

You might want to consider doing more than quote-minig, so you don't look any more like a moonbat.
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[TSR]

Without question, because the driver is the only person who could have fired the fatal shot which exited the right rear portion of his skull. No doubt it's a piece to be used.

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And you get all of this from the fact that your witness couldn't distinguish where the sound came from?
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[JohnG]

7forever, it's a long thread and maybe I've missed it, but could you remind me why anyone here should respect the image analysis skills of someone who doesn't even know how to take a proper screenshot??

 

[RoboTimbo]

Not one person has schooled me on anything.

This is accurate.

 

[I Ratant]

7forever, it's a long thread and maybe I've missed it, but could you remind me why anyone here should respect the image analysis skills of someone who doesn't even know how to take a proper screenshot??

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It's ....... rocket science, it is.
No one can take the Zapruder film and do this with it.

 

[RoboTimbo]

Without question, because the driver is the only person who could have fired the fatal shot which exited the right rear portion of his skull. No doubt it's a piece to be used.

Not much has really changed since you started this thread, has it?

 

[I Ratant]

You know I take back what I said about 7 possibly being Jack. Jack's photo analytical skills are better than 7's, something I truly thought was impossible.

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I've talked to Jack on the Compuserve Conspiracy Forum 15 or so years back.
Quite amusing, especially when he teamed up with Groden to determine the lady walking across the infield, seen in the Z311-318 sequence was 7 feet tall.
I showed the poor schlumpf how photogrammetry* can be used to determine she was just 5 feet tall.
Deanie Richards of JFK Lancer replied that she had interviewed that woman, who was 4' 11".
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*When asked at the HSCA hearings if he knew what photogrammetry was, he said didn't.
And never made any attempt to learn it.

 

[7forever]

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And you get all of this from the fact that your witness couldn't distinguish where the sound came from?
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Do you think Jackie didn't see what she obviously saw or was she mistaken? The exit wound Kennedy suffered was on the right rear portion of his head, only consistent with a shot from the front, not the right side or rear. It's a simple process of elimination.

"And just as I turned and looked at him, I could see a piece of his skull and I remember it was flesh colored. I remember thinking he just looked as if he had a slight headache. And I just remember seeing that. No blood or anything." " I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --- I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on." She means there was nothing in front that she could see but there must have been because the hole was on the rear. It was a small hole over the right eye, likely covered by his low hairline.

However, new analysis reveals that the original court tape actually reads:
http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/jbkwc.html
"... I could see a piece of his skull sort of wedge-shaped, like that, and I remember that it was flesh colored with little ridges at the top

 

[7forever]

Not much has really changed since you started this thread, has it?

You're exactly right. All the evidence points to one man firing the fatal and his name was William Greer. Read his testimony and you will learn for yourself the only possible wound path the fatal bullet took. The bullet entered his right forehead and exited behind his right rear, totally consistent with Greer's angle to Kennedy.

The red blotch is part of the alteration to cover the front right entrance.

Mr. Specter.
Did you just mention, Mr. Greer, a hole in the President's head in addition to the large area of the skull which was shot away?
Mr. Greer.
No. I had just seen that, you know, the head was damaged in all this part of it but I believe looking at the X-rays, I looked at the X-rays when they were taken in the autopsy room, and the person who does that type work showed us the trace of it because there would be little specks of lead where the bullet had come from here and it came to the--they showed where it didn't come on through. It came to a sinus cavity or something they said, over the eye.
Mr. Specter.
Indicating the right eye. (GREER POINTED OVER HIS RIGHT EYE)
Mr. Greer.
I may be wrong.
Mr. Specter.
You don't know which eye?
Mr. Greer.
I don't know which eye, I may be wrong. But they showed us the trace of it coming through but there were very little small specks on the X-rays that these professionals knew what course that the bullet had taken, the lead.
Mr. Specter.Would you describe in very general terms what injury you observed as to the President's head during the course of the autopsy?
Mr. Greer.
I would--to the best of my recollection it was in this part of the head right here.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right?
Mr. Greer.
Upper right side.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right side, going toward the rear. And what was the condition of the skull at that point?
Mr. Greer.
The skull was completely--this part was completely gone.