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Merged bullet hole in the windshield of JFK's limo/ You might be...

Look 7, you can't just bring in non-related bullet holes from other windshields.

I used to be in the rabbit hole you're now in. The only thing that will save you from this is yourself; these were not magic sniper shots. Even if you've never fired a weapon of any sort, in a week or two probably you could learn to make these shots too, even with a good Italian Carcano...it's not a hard kicker for a early 20th century bolt action rifle so you wouldn't be afraid of it after a few shots...never forget Oswald shot Expert in the US Marine Corp with rifle (M1) with much more power. I own a Carcano carbine (shorter barrel than Oswald's murder weapon) with a 4x scope and there's no doubt to me I could make those shots. Never forget he totally missed with the first round.

Have you ever read about Oswald's life and history is the next question? If not, please do so! NOT conspiracy site stuff, his REAL LIFE. There is so much rubbish about him, that even though he was a lone nutjob assassin, I feel sorry for him in a tiny tiny way lol I wonder at the odds, that in Dallas TX in 1963, you would you find a different but equal nutjob like Jack Ruby to really screw it up?lol
 
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CurtC said:
I think his thesis is that Kennedy's neck shot came through the windshield, but the fatal head shot came from the driver (Greer)...
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I would like to point out that 7forever believes Greer did the no look shot with minimal elbow movement and no recoil.

Almost makes the magic bullet nonsense seam more realistic by comparison.
 
Shadou said:
I would like to point out that 7forever believes Greer did the no look shot with minimal elbow movement and no recoil.

Almost makes the magic bullet nonsense seam more realistic by comparison.
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The no recoil, no look, no flash, no smoke, no spent shell casing, no gun, no exit wound, no entrance wound, no noise, no witnesses shot? That one?

7forever no longer visits this thread? No wonder.
 
Jackie O saw the hole

A true Kennedy crazy is one who would ignore Jackie's eyewitness account, say she was mistaken or was she lying?;) The exit wound was on the right rear portion of his head consistent with being caused by only one shooter, the driver.

"And just as I turned and looked at him, I could see a piece of his skull and I remember it was flesh colored. I remember thinking he just looked as if he had a slight headache. And I just remember seeing that. No blood or anything."

" I was trying to hold his hair on. From the front there was nothing --- I suppose there must have been. But from the back you could see, you know, you were trying to hold his hair on, and his skull on." (She means there was nothing in front that she could see but there must have been because the hole was on the rear. It was a small hole over the right eye, likely covered by his low hairline.)
However, new analysis reveals that the original court tape actually reads:

"... I could see a piece of his skull sort of wedge-shaped, like that, and I remember that it was flesh colored with little ridges at the top
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http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/jbkwc.html
 
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There is no better witness than the killer himself, William Greer. To be honest, it doesn't get any more ironic than these two goons telling of what could be the only wound path which Kennedy suffered from the headshot at 313.

Mr. Specter.
Did you just mention, Mr. Greer, a hole in the President's head in addition to the large area of the skull which was shot away?
Mr. Greer.
No. I had just seen that, you know, the head was damaged in all this part of it but I believe looking at the X-rays, I looked at the X-rays when they were taken in the autopsy room, and the person who does that type work showed us the trace of it because there would be little specks of lead where the bullet had come from here and it came to the--they showed where it didn't come on through. It came to a sinus cavity or something they said, over the eye.
Mr. Specter.
Indicating the right eye. (GREER POINTED OVER HIS RIGHT EYE):boggled:
Mr. Greer.
I may be wrong.
Mr. Specter.
You don't know which eye?
Mr. Greer.
I don't know which eye, I may be wrong. But they showed us the trace of it coming through but there were very little small specks on the X-rays that these professionals knew what course that the bullet had taken, the lead.
Mr. Specter.
Would you describe in very general terms what injury you observed as to the President's head during the course of the autopsy?
Mr. Greer.
I would--to the best of my recollection it was in this part of the head right here.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right?
Mr. Greer.
Upper right side.
Mr. Specter.
Upper right side, going toward the rear. And what was the condition of the skull at that point?
Mr. Greer.
The skull was completely--this part was completely gone.
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THIS MAN SAW THE HOLE OVER HIS RIGHT EYE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XprQ...&p=CA3C4F4B4B12C20C&playnext_from=PL&index=32
 
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Greer had the only angle possible to create the right rear exit seen by over 40 people including Jackie, the killer, Kellerman and Clint Hill.

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This is from a man standing right next to the limo when the shot was fired and gives testimony of what everyone clearly sees in the film.

http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/59wit.htm
33) Alan Smith---"…the car was ten feet from me when a bullet hit the President in the forehead…the car went about five feet and stopped." [Chicago Tribune, 11/23/63, p. 9; Murder From Within by Fred Newcomb & Perry Adams (1974), p. 71]


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I've looked at the film closely and here are some numbers which you can find yourself. The driver is looking at Kennedy before, during and immediately after the fatal shot. This is an anomaly of epic proportions if he didn't shoot Kennedy. He is driving the vehicle and manages to look at Kennedy a half second before the shot, at the moment, and right after in a moving car which he is driving. IT'S DNA IMPOSSIBLE.

And he lied about ever seeing Kennedy even though he was clearly looking at him twice in less than 2 seconds. He lied because he killed Kennedy and understood that that would raise questions as to why he didn't speed off after looking the first time. He was a stupid goon but managed to tell that much needed lie but we have the film to confirm he's looking right at jfk both times.

He turns around the first time at 272. Kellerman turned before at 260 so they are both looking at jfk at the same time until 289. They are both clearly aware that at least Kennedy has been hit and what do they do...slow the limo down and finish Kennedy off at point blank range. Greer turns back straight at 289, they both look at each around 290-292 and they know at that moment they are gonna shoot the sitting duck in the back seat. Greer starts his second turn at 301-302 and is looking right at Greer by 304 and turns away and pulls the gun down by 318. There are 45 frames between 272-317 and Greer's looking at Kennedy in those critical moments for 30 of those frames.
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Even though Connally corrects his slip up we have the film to verify who he was looking at when the fatal shot was fired. He was looking at the driver shooting Kennedy at point blank range. Connally hits the floorboard by 318 terrified of what he'd just witnessed.

Obviously, it couldn't have been the third, because when the third shot was fired I was in a reclining position, and heard it, saw it and the effects of it, rather--I didn't see it, I saw the effects of it--so it obviously could not have been the third, and couldn't have been the first, in my judgment.
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http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/comp1.htm#con_j
 
This capture is from Harris's failed driver didn't do it it video. It's frames 290-292 and right after they were looking at Kennedy they look at each other and know it's time to fire the kill shot. Kellerman moves forward and downward at 296 while Greer draws the gun across his chest and over his right shoulder, then moves back in unison when Greer moves back to shoot and finally launches forward by 314. Roy's movements were to block the gun's view from the north side of elm street. Without Kellerman's movements the pathetic alteration to hide Greer shooting would have been impossible because they would have had nothing to attach the fake hair reflection to. That would have meant either never releasing the film publicly or waiting for technology to catch up to produce a believable alteration. Roy did his job but sat a little too low and that's why the hair reflection was needed to cover Greer's movements to shoot Kennedy.
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http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2009/11/doug-horne.html
The ARRB interviewed many doctors and examined the records from Dallas and Bethesda. Even one of the Navy doctors described the massive head wound!

This is from an interview with Doug Horne from the ARRB:

"The second pathologist deposed was Dr. Boswell. After that, there was no doubt about a major medical cover-up. (Boswell was much more forthcoming than Humes, and inadvertently, I think, “gave the store away” on a number of occasions.) It was my idea to use an anatomically correct model of the human skull, which I was allowed to purchase and construct myself, in an attempt to get Boswell to visually identify the true extent of the damage to President Kennedy’s skull. (Thereshouldn'tn’t have been any doubt this 33 years after the autopsy, but unfortunately much eyewitness testimony disagreed with the autopsy photographs and x-rays, and many of the autopsy photos seemed intended to conceal, rather than to reveal the true nature of the head wounds.)

When Boswell had executed a famous two-dimensional sketch of the damage to the skull on the reverse side of the autopsy body chart on November 22, 1963, he’d indicated that a large area of bone was missing from the top of the president’s skull, but his diagram left unanswered whether any bone was missing from the back of the head. While he was still under oath, we asked Boswell to define where there was bone missing, in three dimensions, on the skull model with a marking pen. We wanted to know how much skull bone might have been missing in the back of the head, if any. Of course, we didn’t tell him that.

And when he soberly, but matter-of-factly marked the area of missing bone on the skull model, it included the entire right rear of the skull behind the ear. Jeremy and I almost fell out of our chairs. Now the autopsy photographs, which show the back of the head to be intact, made no sense whatsoever. Boswell’s annotated skull model implied that three must have been a shot that struck Kennedy from the front, a bullet that exited from the back of his skull. (Exit wounds are large and avulsive; entrance wounds are small and penetrating.)"

So... Even one of the navy doctors admitted to there being a rear exit wound!
 
7forever said:
This is from a man standing right next to the limo when the shot was fired and gives testimony of what everyone clearly sees in the film.
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And you know what he *doesn't* say?

"The shot came from inside the car."

Or "I saw the driver turnaround and fire"

Or "The muzzle flash was unmistakable."

Or "Then I saw the the driver's arm recoil from the shot, and he turned back around."

Funny that he missed those details...
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And yet, cannot identify a muzzle flash or recoil from the "shot"...
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There is one witness who talks about a firecracker going off in the president's limo. Of course, everything cannot be explained to perfection but all roads lead to the driver by eliminating every other supposed sniper location. Greer has the perfect and only angle to create the right rear exit.

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/betzner.htm
I heard at least two shots fired and I saw what looked like a firecracker going off in the president's car. My assumption for this was because I saw fragments going up in the air. I also saw a man in either the President's car or the car behind his and someone down in one of those cars pull out what looked like a rifle. I also remember seeing what looked like a nickel revolver in someone's hand in the President's car or somewhere immediately around his car. Then the President's car sped on under the underpass. Police and a lot of spectators started running up the hill on the opposite side of the street from me to a fence of wood. I assumed that was where the shot was fired from at that time. I kept watching the crowd. Then I came around the monument over to Main Street. I walked down toward where the President's car had stopped. I saw a Police Officer and some men in plain clothes. I don't know who they were. These Police Officers and the men in plain clothes were digging around in the dirt as if they were looking for a bullet. I walked back around the monument over to Elm Street where they were digging in the dirt. I went on across the street and up the embankment to where the fence is located. By this time almost all of the people had left.
 
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/comp.htm#list
Mr. BELIN - You mean the convertible in which the President was riding?
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.
 
7forever said:
http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/m_j_russ/comp.htm#list
Mr. MILLER - I wouldn't want to say it was the President. It was a convertible, but I saw a man fall over. I don't know whose convertible it was.
Mr. BELIN - Where did the shots sound like they came from?
Mr. MILLER - Well, the way it sounded like, it came from the, I would say from right there in the car. Would be to my left, the way I was looking at him toward that incline.
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And where was Miller in relation to the motorcade?
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7forever said:
There is one witness who talks about a firecracker going off in the president's limo.
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Given up on Alan Smith, have you?

No, he talks about *seeing* something *like* a firecracker. But then, he also recalls a nickel revolver.

Whose gun was that?
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What's to give up on? The driver had the only angle to not only create the exit wound but the violent backward motion of his head and body. Alan Smith corroborates Greer, the old man witness and the only logical/possible entrance location. The bullet had to enter the opposite side of its exit especially when it enters the skull, which it did.
 
Photo "study" is such a precise science. This photo shows the real killer.
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Yes, as it turns out, zombie Jackie needed feeding.
 
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