The Deluge

[Cainkane1]

This is my last post on this topic but i would like to point something out. If this flood did happen then there woud have been dozens of dead bodies of drowned humans, angels and animals and fish. These decaying bodies would have floated on the surface for awhile and then as the decaying process completed the bones of various species of humans and animals would have become disarticulated and floated to the bottom much like salt from a shaker. Some of these bones would fossilised and the bones of these different species would have been scattered hither and yon. Has there ever been a discovery of say elephant bones, cheetah bones, kangeroo bones etc found scattered in sediments like this? I mean if a pile of human, Koala and puma bones etc were found together that would be evidence of this flood of yours. Has anything like this ever been found? I think not.

 

[Paulhoff]

This is my last post on this topic but i would like to point something out. If this flood did happen then there woud have been dozens of dead bodies of drowned humans, angels and animals and fish. These decaying bodies would have floated on the surface for awhile and then as the decaying process completed the bones of various species of humans and animals would have become disarticulated and floated to the bottom much like salt from a shaker. Some of these bones would fossilised and the bones of these different species would have been scattered hither and yon. Has there ever been a discovery of say elephant bones, cheetah bones, kangeroo bones etc found scattered in sediments like this? I mean if a pile of human, Koala and puma bones etc were found together that would be evidence of this flood of yours. Has anything like this ever been found? I think not.

Good thinking.

The answer, never heard anyone finding anything like that.

Paul

 

[PixyMisa]

David:

The dinosaurs were wiped out by a meteor impact 65 million years ago. Once of the key pieces of evidence for this is that there is a thin, iridium-rich layer in sediments of precisely that age everywhere in the world. Certain types of asteroids have significantly higher concentrations of iridium than the Earth's crust, and that's what seems to have hit us. This is known as the K-T Boundary.

If there had been a global flood 4300 years ago, there would be a uniform global sediment layer exactly that old. It would show up in archaeological sites, for example, it would have covered Old Kingdom structures in Egypt but not Middle Kingdom structures; it would have covered the Early Bronze Age settlement of Jericho (there has been a city there since about 7000BC) but not later settlements on the same site; it would completely cover the neolithic settlement of Çatal Hüyük.

However, though we can verify the existence of the 65-million year-old K-T Boundary all over the world, there is no evidence at all of a global flood in 2300BC.

Why is that? Where did the tens of millions of people drowned in the flood vanish to? Where did the hundreds of millions of large animals likewise drowned go? Where is the sediment? Floods produce mud. Even localised flooding creates sediment layers.

Why is it that we can scientifically confirm events 15,000 times older, while this one escapes us entirely?

 

[CurtC]

If an oil company were interviewing a geologist to help them search for potential new sources of oil, and that geologist identified himself as someone who believed a worldwide deluge occurred approximately 5,000 years ago, how do you think it would affect his chances of being hired? If it would have an effect, why do you think it would?

A friend of mine has a consulting business, where he looks at the microfossils in samples from the ground, to develop a map of how old the layers of rock are at each depth. Knowing this, they can build up an image of how the layers are shaped and thus where oil would be trapped.

Needless to say, if the Biblical flood had happened, his line of work would be completely impossible.

 

[Achán hiNidráne]

If the Exodus account can be questioned it is only because the Pharaohs of Egypt didn't make any record of it. That, is not unusual. They tended to record only their victories and not their defeats and they tried to erase anything historical that was contrary to their nationalistic image or idealogy. Thutmose III, for example, chiseled away inscriptions made of Queen Hatshepsut on a stone monumental record found at Deir al-Bahri in Egypt.

Egypt was a major center of commerce throughout antiquity. Caravans from all corners of the civilized world would come to trade. You honestly think that merchants from Babylon or Phoenicia would have missed the ten plagues or thousands of Hebrew slaves suddenly up and leaving? You think that they would have NOT mentioned them in their own histories? Pharaoh's arm didn't reach that long.

 

[I Am The Scum]

I get the feeling that David won't be posting here for a while.

 

[JohnG]

What's that you say? The entire world submerged, killing off most of the people and other animal life??? Sounds like the work of a giant douche!




Now, now, don't be coarse. I was using "douche" in the original French meaning "a shower of water".

 

[Cainkane1]

Good thinking.

The answer, never heard anyone finding anything like that.

Paul

Like I said youd have to find diverse collections of bones. kangaroos beside pumas and tigers and elephants.. Humans with angelic features "wings"? How big were the giants? Ten feet tall?? twenty feet tall? The fee fi fo fum size or just basketball player size? An elephant skulll beside a sloth would be niice.

 

[devnull]

Still waiting to hear why the boat didn't leak or just fall apart.

magicmandidit.

 

[Meadmaker]

Still waiting to hear why the boat didn't leak or just fall apart.

Gopherwood has special properties not found in modern trees.

That this is so should not surprise anyone. Noah lived 900 years. Obviously, post-deluvian biology was altered by God for his own inscrutable purposes.

 

[Cainkane1]

I get the feeling that David won't be posting here for a while.

Yes he will. He's more dedicated than your garden variety fundy.

 

[edge]

There is nothing to debate.

The water just isn't there.

If you use all the water available on Earth (poles, glaciers, clouds, everything), you will get a 70m sea level increase. That is not a global flood.

The pro-flooders will say that god brought the water and then took it away. Again, nothing to debate.

All depends on the terrain back then as I have pointed out the only evidence we have is that a catastrophe happened about 12,900 years ago. The time lines are off.

If you shoved all the ground into the entire oceans right now it would all be submerged, I forget what the level would be.

 

[Paulhoff]

All depends on the terrain back then as I have pointed out the only evidence we have is that a catastrophe happened about 12,900 years ago. The time lines are off.

If you shoved all the ground into the entire oceans right now it would all be submerged, I forget what the level would be.

That is nice, but that is not what the earth is.

Paul

 

[I Ratant]

All depends on the terrain back then as I have pointed out the only evidence we have is that a catastrophe happened about 12,900 years ago. The time lines are off.

If you shoved all the ground into the entire oceans right now it would all be submerged, I forget what the level would be.

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It requires a billion cubic -miles- of water to submerge the planet as it currently exists.
There isn't that much water here anyway, much less that much more.

 

[Paulhoff]

The Deluge is the people who believe in that story after all the holes are shot into it, and that is because they need it to be true, they are not interested in any "truth" even if they keep using that word.

Paul

 

[edge]

Like I said youd have to find diverse collections of bones. kangaroos beside pumas and tigers and elephants.. Humans with angelic features "wings"? How big were the giants? Ten feet tall?? twenty feet tall? The fee fi fo fum size or just basketball player size? An elephant skulll beside a sloth would be niice.

We need to consider the purpose for which God sent the Flood, for this provides yet another reason, and perhaps the main reason, why we do not find any human fossils in the Flood sediments and why we should not expect to find any. In Genesis 6:7 we read that God said He would destroy man, whom He had created from the face of the earth. So perhaps God deliberately made sure that the Floodwaters did just that, destroying every trace of man and his artifacts from the pre-Flood world, if this is what He meant by what He had recorded in the Scriptures.


Elsewhere in Scripture we learn that as far as God's judgment of sin is concerned, when God says that He wants the offenders removed, then this means utter destruction.

I believe that Cro-Magnon and Neanderthals are pre flood fossils, but like other fossils only some are found.

Let's begin by considering the nature of the fossil record. Most people don't realize that in terms of numbers of fossils 95% of the fossil record consists of shallow marine organisms such as corals and shellfish. Within the remaining 5%, 95% are all the algae and plant/tree fossils, including the vegetation that now makes up the trillions of tones of coal, and all the other invertebrate fossils including the insects. Thus the vertebrates (fish, amphibians, reptiles, birds and mammals) together make up very little of the fossil record—in fact, 5% of 5%, which is a mere 0.25% of the entire fossil record. So comparatively speaking there are very, very few amphibian, reptile, bird and mammal fossils, yet so much is often made of them. For example, the number of dinosaur skeletons in all the world's museums (both public and university) totals only about 2,100 Furthermore, of this 0.25% of the fossil record which is vertebrates, only 1% of that 0.25% (or 0.0025%) are vertebrate fossils that consist of more than a single bone! For example, there's only one Stegosaurus skull that has been found, and many of the horse species are each represented by only one specimen of one tooth!

These are small numbers for the billions of creatures that have come and gone in the millions of years that animals were around.
Your point is moot.
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aig/aig-c014.html

 

[edge]

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It requires a billion cubic -miles- of water to submerge the planet as it currently exists.
There isn't that much water here anyway, much less that much more.

Do you know what the terrain was like back then?
It's already proven if you bulldozed all the continents into all the oceans it would all be submerged.

 

[edge]

The Deluge is the people who believe in that story after all the holes are shot into it, and that is because they need it to be true, they are not interested in any "truth" even if they keep using that word.

Paul

I could say the same for you.
You need it to be false.
The world's largest geographic feature, the Pacific Ocean covers about one-third of the earth's surface. The area of the Pacific is greater than that of all of the continents combined, and it makes up nearly half of the area covered by the earth's oceans.

 

[Paulhoff]

I could say the same for you.
You need it to be false.

Please edge, you have no idea of what you're talking about. There was no flood, there is no evidence of it.

Paul

 

[dio]

It's already proven if you bulldozed all the continents into all the oceans it would all be submerged.

Nobody said otherwise.
So is that what happened? God bulldozed the continents into the seas?
Bible quotes please.