Hugo Chavez Loves Free Speech...

KingMerv00 said:
What part of the constitution are you referring to?
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OK, I screwed up there. This forum is the last on my "to troll" list, and that constitution bit must have been the last thing I typed before collapsing that day. Please disregard. My points about US involvement in WW1 being manipulative and having having many unintended consequences still stand though.


KingMerv00 said:
Does that answer my question?
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Just because governments fight wars doesn't mean they don't have mutual interests in holding on to power. The European history is filled with examples of monarchs writing letters to their neighbors: "dear cousin, the plebs are getting restless, let's demonize each-other and have us a war to bring both our principalities to order"... :rolleyes:
 
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Alex Libman said:
Just because governments fight wars doesn't mean they don't have mutual interests in holding on to power. The European history is filled with examples of monarchs writing letters to their neighbors: "dear cousin, the plebs are getting restless, let's demonize each-other and have us a war to bring both our principalities to order"... :rolleyes:
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Please cite a few examples.
 
Alex Libman said:
Of course it is. But I'm pretty sure Atlas Shrugged is totally real. :rolleyes:
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Uhmm...what? He asked for examples of (as you put it) "monarchs writing letters to their neighbors: "dear cousin, the plebs are getting restless, let's demonize each-other and have us a war to bring both our principalities to order"". In response, you cited a fictional book? And why did you bring up Atlas Shrugged?
 
Humor. I don't remember specific examples, and I won't waste time trying to dig some up, because that would dilute the argument and reduce it to those specific (and perhaps controversial) examples.

You miss the point - I'm talking about the very nature of government here. You don't need a list of murderers to know that human beings are capable of murder!

The United States government doesn't want to see Chavez taken down - his power rests on the same silly notions as their own!
 
tomwaits said:
Good, then I won't waste time arguing with you.
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Probably a wise move, since Alex's idea of arguing is calling people who disagree with him names, repeat the same AnCap BS ad infinitum, and generally acting with all the arrogance of a hero from a Ayn Rand Novel.
 
Alex Libman said:
Humor. I don't remember specific examples, and I won't waste time trying to dig some up, because that would dilute the argument and reduce it to those specific (and perhaps controversial) examples.
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Huh. It would have been a lot more efficient to say "I lied and have no idea what I am talking about."

You miss the point - I'm talking about the very nature of government here. You don't need a list of murderers to know that human beings are capable of murder!
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Yes, but you are saying something we've never actually seen proven.

The United States government doesn't want to see Chavez taken down - his power rests on the same silly notions as their own!
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Do actually believe this crap, or are you one of these people that likes to contradict everyone else for the hell of it?
 
More radio station closures on the way:
The Venezuelan government initiated a new charge against a private television broadcaster and said that 29 additional radio stations would soon be closed, the latest move in what critics call a crackdown on freedom of expression.

The Saturday announcement by Minister of Public Works and Housing Diosdado Cabello, who oversees the state telecommunications regulator, came at a counter-rally to marches protesting the hardline tactics of President Hugo Chavez.
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Nope, nothing to see here...
 
Bump!

Venezuela arrested Globovison head Guillermo Zuloaga today. Globovision was the last remaining media outlet critical of Chavez.

The crime? Offending Dear Leader.

http://my.earthlink.net/article/int?guid=20100325/e7c6eceb-2894-4707-b390-412ae1e02790

Where are all the Chavez apologists in this thread?

Pro-Chavez lawmaker Manuel Villalba urged prosecutors on Wednesday to investigate Zuloaga for allegedly saying that Venezuela's government is cracking down on its critics and purportedly commenting that it was a shame a short-lived 2002 coup against Chavez failed.

"He must assume his responsibility," Villalba told state-run Radio Nacional.
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Arrest him for saying we crack down on our critics!

Christ on a stick...
 
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WildCat said:
Arrest him for saying we crack down on our critics!

Christ on a stick...
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I think the significant accusation was saying good things about a coup in a south american country that was launched agaisnt the current leader. If you have to praise coups it would probably be safer to stick to those attempted by the current leader.

Of course how much either accusation has anything to do with reality is open to question.
 
I guess shutting down the opposition is only evil if you are a right wing dictator. If you are a Left Wing Dictator it OK.
I get the impression that freedom of speech does not hold a high spot in geni's scale of values.
 
Alex Libman said:
I've seen both sides of the so-called "iron curtain" (my father worked for the Soviet version of the military-industrial complex), and I understand very well how the war between the two was never a possibility, but both sides wanted to pretend that there was. The reality is that the United States, which in effect created the USSR as the result of its interventionism (WW1 and WW2), is also what kept it from collapsing even earlier than it did by giving its hardliners an excuse to quell dissent due to the "Cold War". Everyone in Washington loved it, including the welfare mongers trying to shame people into believing communist propaganda and trying to one-up it here.

Even with a small nut like Chavez or Kim Jong-il, the other governments play by the rules that keep them in power, the United Nations and all that, while monopolizing the defense market. Heck, even in the case of Bin Laden, the government monopoly pulled a "whoopsie daisy" that is pretty difficult for a person who exists outside the nationalistic brainwashing bubble to believe. A free market defense sector, consisting of many competing agencies, would have done much better.

All kings are foes of all the men they rule!
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:crazy:

You got some real live ones on this forum don't you?

America created the USSR.

War was never a possibility.

The US prevented the soviet union from collapsing.
 
I think its wrong to arrest him when he indeed only said what is claimed.

Globovision was the last remaining media outlet critical of Chavez
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not true, even your article quoted another media outlet's critique :)
 
dudalb said:
I guess shutting down the opposition is only evil if you are a right wing dictator. If you are a Left Wing Dictator it OK.
I get the impression that freedom of speech does not hold a high spot in geni's scale of values.
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I think it's because some people started attacking him in the beginning simply for nationalizing their oil company.

There is a lot of anti-socialist hate against Chavez and getting through that to the real violations takes some effort. You have to separate the facts from fiction.
 
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