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The Emerald Tablets of Thoth

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Has anyone heard of these tablets? People claim that they exist, but they don't give any physical evidence. All we have are these "translations".

These tablets are supposedly very ancient. They speak of things commonly known as New Age before the New Age movement even existed.

They speak of Serpent-headed beings disguised as humans secretly ruling the humans. They speak of this before Cathy O'Brien or David Icke (the people who are at the head of the reptilian conspiracy theories) were even born (The first English translsation was apparently in 1925), and yet it doesn't seem likely that Icke or O'Brien based their own writings on these translations because these texts are not very well known (they don't even have a Wikipedia page lol) and from what I've seen of both their writings, they don't seem to have mentioned these texts.

Also, the author of these supposed tablets claims that there is a spaceship under the Great Pyramid and apparently it has been discovered that there is a tunnel under the Great Pyramid.

I have lots of reasons to be skeptical, but I'm still really curious about this stuff.

Here is an excerpt about the Serpent people:

In ages past were they conquered by Masters,
driven below to the place whence they came.
But some there were who remained,
hidden in spaces and planes unknown to man.
Lived they in Atlantis as shadows,
but at times they appeared among men.
Aye, when the blood was offered,
for they came they to dwell among men.

In the form of man they amongst us,
but only to sight were they as are men.
Serpent-headed when the glamour was lifted
but appearing to man as men among men.
Crept they into the Councils,
taking forms that were like unto men.
Slaying by their arts
the chiefs of the kingdoms,
taking their form and ruling o'er man.
Only by magic could they be discovered.
Only by sound could their faces be seen.
Sought they from the Kingdom of shadows
to destroy man and rule in his place.

But, know ye, the Masters were mighty in magic,
able to lift the Veil from the face of the serpent,
able to send him back to his place.
Came they to man and taught him the secret,
the WORD that only a man can pronounce.
Swift then they lifted the Veil from the serpent
and cast him forth from the place among men.

Yet, beware, the serpent still liveth
in a place that is open at times to the world.
Unseen they walk among thee
in places where the rites have been said.
Again as time passes onward
shall they take the semblance of men.

Called may they be by the master
who knows the white or the black,
but only the white master may control
and bind them while in the flesh.
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Here is a link to a site with the full text of all of the tablets:

http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html
 
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Ah, dipping into the root of Hermeticism and the secrets of alchemy I see. Hermes Trismegistus is the supposed author ---- a legendary figure who was supposedly a combination of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Thoth. Thousands of ancient writings are attributed to him from something like 8000 years ago, although these "ancient" writings were most likely written by various early Greeks from Plato's time, amongst others IIRC. Googling some of these references should shed light on things I would think.

If you believe in the Greek and Egyptian gods and alchemical magic, you found the good stuff. I believe Edgar Cayce was on speaking terms with Hermes/Thoth ;)

I've personally enjoyed watching Marduk reply to these sorts of things. I will sit back and wait with hope for my prize :)

ETA: I noticed you keep mentioning Icke, btw. Do you take Icke seriously? There is a correct answer to that question, unfortunately. Even I will admit to that ...
 
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Soapy Sam said:
I tried them, but still didn't get an erection.
Or were those the blue tablets of Pfizer?
I get confused a lot as I get older.
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LOL

I don't, however, get this confused. http://www.crystalinks.com/emerald.html
Total hooey from start to finish.
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I'm not necessarily disagreeing (or even agreeing), but I think it's interesting that David Icke's claims may go further back than we thought - reptile beings disguised as humans ruling over the human race - and a few fairly strange coincidences in other "chapters". But I also realize that coincidences happen all the time and that sometimes we do see smoke without fire.

Also, doesn't Icke say that his reptilians are interdimensional?
But some there were who remained,
hidden in spaces and planes unknown to man.
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That could be interpreted to mean that they reside in another dimension, I suppose.

Ah, dipping into the root of Hermeticism and the secrets of alchemy I see. Hermes Trismegistus is the supposed author ---- a legendary figure who was supposedly a combination of the Greek god Hermes and the Egyptian god Thoth. Thousands of ancient writings are attributed to him from something like 8000 years ago, although these "ancient" writings were most likely written by various early Greeks from Plato's time, amongst others IIRC.

If you believe in the Greek and Egyptian gods and alchemical magic, you found the good stuff. I believe Edgar Cayce was on speaking terms with Hermes/Thoth

I've personally enjoyed watching Marduk reply to these sorts of things. I will sit back and wait with hope for my prize
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I'm not claiming that I necessarily believe all of this. I'm definitely not claiming I believe this stuff was written by an ancient Atlantean or that alchemy is possible. But I remember reading that some spiritual teachers (or was it alchemists?) used to write their work claiming to be deities as it would make their work seem more valuable or important to those who read it.

Anyway, I wonder how likely it is that the reptilian conspiracy-believers read this stuff before writing their books. It's very similar to what they are saying.

ETA: I have come to the conclusion that Icke is definitely mentally ill and doesn't see reality the way most people do. Still, I want to know why this same story keeps coming up over and over. I wonder where it comes from and why it's always reptiles.
 
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Marshmallow said:
Anyway, I wonder how likely it is that the reptilian conspiracy-believers read this stuff before writing their books. It's very similar to what they are saying.
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Without having read the "original" myself, I would not doubt that translations are liberal and mixed to suit various beliefs.

But let me ask you if you are a reptilian conspiracy believer? If so, why are you?
 
Marshmallow said:
LOL



I'm not necessarily disagreeing (or even agreeing), but I think it's interesting that David Icke's claims may go further back than we thought - reptile beings disguised as humans ruling over the human race - and a few fairly strange coincidences in other "chapters". But I also realize that coincidences happen all the time and that sometimes we do see smoke without fire.

Also, doesn't Icke say that his reptilians are interdimensional?

That could be interpreted to mean that they reside in another dimension, I suppose.



I'm not claiming that I necessarily believe all of this. I'm definitely not claiming I believe this stuff was written by an ancient Atlantean or that alchemy is possible. But I remember reading that some spiritual teachers (or was it alchemists?) used to write their work claiming to be deities as it would make their work seem more valuable or important to those who read it.

Anyway, I wonder how likely it is that the reptilian conspiracy-believers read this stuff before writing their books. It's very similar to what they are saying.
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I had always assumed that Icke got all his ideas from Science Fiction TV shows like "V" (The original 70s one), Star Trek and Battlestar Gallactica.

Maybe we should be asking where the TV Producers got their ideas... I can imagine NBC execs wearing robes and chanting around a cauldren invoking ancient Hermes to determine their Fall Schedule. But maybe that's just me...
 
trentwray said:
Without having read the "original" myself, I would not doubt that translations are liberal and mixed to suit various beliefs.

But let me ask you if you are a reptilian conspiracy believer? If so, why are you?
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That makes sense.

I am not a reptilian conspiracy believer, but I have an irrational fear of such things turning out to be true. Even when the rational parts of mind argue that it's bullcrap, the irrational part is screaming, "What if it's true? What if it's true?" It's like how some people are afraid to be alone in the dark after watching a scary movie, even thought they don't really believe they'll be attacked by fictional movie monsters. However, this fear holds more power over me because there are many people actually claiming this stuff to be true (whether it is or not). So, let's just say I go the extra mile to try and debunk these things. Basically, I'm the official scaredy cat of the JREF forums.

Brainache said:
I had always assumed that Icke got all his ideas from Science Fiction TV shows like "V" (The original 70s one), Star Trek and Battlestar Gallactica.

Maybe we should be asking where the TV Producers got their ideas... I can imagine NBC execs wearing robes and chanting around a cauldren invoking ancient Hermes to determine their Fall Schedule. But maybe that's just me...
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I've never watched any of those shows (except for parts of Star Trek here and there), so you could be right.

Lol thanks a lot for that mental image.
 
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Marshmallow said:
That makes sense.

I am not a reptilian conspiracy believer, but I have an irrational fear of such things turning out to be true. Even when the rational parts of mind argue that it's bullcrap, the irrational part is screaming, "What if it's true? What if it's true?" It's like how some people are afraid to be alone in the dark after watching a scary movie, even thought they don't really believe they'll be attacked by fictional movie monsters. However, this fear holds more power over me because there are many people actually claiming this stuff to be true (whether it is or not). So, let's just say I go the extra mile to try and debunk these things. Basically, I'm the official scaredy cat of the JREF forums.
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Why are you afraid of things like this "coming true"?

I've never watched any of those shows (except for parts of Star Trek here and there), so you could be right.

Lol thanks a lot for that mental image.
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My experience looking into Icke's "writings" :) was that he was taking his cues from pop culture most definitely, as brainache said. He exploits whatever "thing" is popular at the time to help him piece together the worldwide puzzles and glory of ancient history that CT's are not content with the current accepted explanations on. Any gap or ? mark they find gets labeled with gods/aliens/NWO etc and so forth. It's essentially a game of historical Mad Libs ..... where fill in the blanks get literally filled in the blank with imagination. Afterawhile, you start seeing the stuff everywhere that coincides with your fill-in-the-blank choice. Of course. And then it's only logical to start erasing FACT with your Mad Lib pencil, and write in a few fudged bits of history here and there, or a couple of embellishments right over there, or a new translation right here, etc and so forth.

It's how our memory works. It's how oral tradition works. It's how fiction works. It's how we work :)
 
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Marshmallow said:
LOL
I'm not necessarily disagreeing (or even agreeing), but I think it's interesting that David Icke's claims may go further back than we thought - reptile beings disguised as humans ruling over the human race - and a few fairly strange coincidences in other "chapters". But I also realize that coincidences happen all the time and that sometimes we do see smoke without fire.
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This isn't about coincidences. It's more likely that there is a cause and effect here, myths travel all the time.

The snake in the garden of eden is another example of a reptile messing around with us.

What about Conan the Barbarian?

What about V (the original, not the remake).

Conspiracies has been around since ever and the notion of the myths of snakes, lizards, reptiles or dragons being wise or cunning is nothing new either.

They just mix them up together.

Marshmallow said:
Anyway, I wonder how likely it is that the reptilian conspiracy-believers read this stuff before writing their books. It's very similar to what they are saying.

Still, I want to know why this same story keeps coming up over and over. I wonder where it comes from and why it's always reptiles.
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First lesson we were taught in film school: There is no such thing as original stories. Everything is based on something. As human beings we absorb the culture we are exposed to with or without our knowledge.

How many tragic love stories do you know of a couple that love each other but can't be together? Even if the author never heard of Romeo and Julliet, it's likely to assume he read a story inspired by a story inspired by another story that at some point was inspired by Romeo and Julliet.

Oh, and Romeo and Julliet wasn't the original either...


As for why Reptiles? Well as I said above it goes all the way back to the garden of eden and even before that.

Most like people found dinosaur bones and formed all sorts of stories about dragons, giant aligators and the likes.
 
GrandMasterFox said:
Most like people found dinosaur bones and formed all sorts of stories about dragons, giant aligators and the likes.
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I was just about to use this as an example.

Imagine yourself in ancient China sitting around a camp fire. Everyone is looking at the dinosaur bone you have found, in awe of it's size (of course they do not know what a dinosaur bone is ... only that there are those bones everywhere that occassionally turn up). The teeth on the thing are enormous. As you raise the fossil up, there are shadows cast on the ground twice the size of the fossil that is in your hand. It's teeth resemble the formidable and feared crocodile that inhabits the swamps in your village. The crocodile is no better than the snake to most people. And as you're examining it, an owl flies overhead, swooping through the night, casting it's shadow into the mix with the bone. A bad omen indeed.

Dinosaur bone. Fight/flight feeling from the nighttime. Fear of the alligator. Flying owl. Bad omen. Campfire.

The fire-breathing, flying reptile known as the dragon is born. And you are the reason it is born.

Better yet ... you are the POWER behind the dragon. Better yet, you can become a dragon yourself, like magic. Does that make you half human / half dragon? What an advantage to have in life ... especially over those who fear you and those whom you want to fear you.
 
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trentwray said:
Why are you afraid of things like this "coming true"?

My experience looking into Icke's "writings" :) was that he was taking his cues from pop culture most definitely, as brainache said. He exploits whatever "thing" is popular at the time to help him piece together the worldwide puzzles and glory of ancient history that CT's are not content with the current accepted explanations on. Any gap or ? mark they find gets labeled with gods/aliens/NWO etc and so forth. It's essentially a game of historical Mad Libs ..... where fill in the blanks get literally filled in the blank with imagination. Afterawhile, you start seeing the stuff everywhere that coincides with your fill-in-the-blank choice. Of course. And then it's only logical to start erasing FACT with your Mad Lib pencil, and write in a few fudged bits of history here and there, or a couple of embellishments right over there, or a new translation right here, etc and so forth.

It's how our memory works. It's how oral tradition works. It's how fiction works. It's how we work :)
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I don't expect you to understand, since this will seem like a typical "woo" reply, but I have witnessed things that seemed to go beyond just the physical (I won't get into the details, as that would be going too far off topic), and as a result I can't help but believe in some sort of non-physical reality. So, if there is a chance that those things have a basis in reality, there is a part of me that wonders if some of those other things might have some basis in reality.

I know it sounds like a crazy thing to be afraid of, but I have no way of knowing that it's not true. That doesn't mean I believe it, but at the same time, I'm afraid that one day I might suddenly have a real reason to believe it. It's hard to stop my mind from going "What if?" Even though I think a lot of these conspiracy theorists are literally crazy, finding out about their conspiracy theories has kind of traumatized me. And since finding out that people believe all this stuff, part of me has been thinking, "If it doesn't have any basis in truth, why do so many people believe it? Why do so many people claim to have seen other people shapeshift into reptiles?" I know it's not a great argument, but since when has fear been rational?

I know you're right about how these conspiracy theorists think and "research" (if you can call it that), but it's still hard to silence that voice saying, "What if?"

GrandMasterFox said:
This isn't about coincidences. It's more likely that there is a cause and effect here, myths travel all the time.

The snake in the garden of eden is another example of a reptile messing around with us.

What about Conan the Barbarian?

What about V (the original, not the remake).

Conspiracies has been around since ever and the notion of the myths of snakes, lizards, reptiles or dragons being wise or cunning is nothing new either.

They just mix them up together.



First lesson we were taught in film school: There is no such thing as original stories. Everything is based on something. As human beings we absorb the culture we are exposed to with or without our knowledge.

How many tragic love stories do you know of a couple that love each other but can't be together? Even if the author never heard of Romeo and Julliet, it's likely to assume he read a story inspired by a story inspired by another story that at some point was inspired by Romeo and Julliet.

Oh, and Romeo and Julliet wasn't the original either...


As for why Reptiles? Well as I said above it goes all the way back to the garden of eden and even before that.

Most like people found dinosaur bones and formed all sorts of stories about dragons, giant aligators and the likes.
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I agree that none of these stories is completely original - I just think it's weird that the texts are saying exactly same thing as these conspiracy theorists - that there are reptiles disguised as humans ruling the world.

trentwray said:
I was just about to use this as an example.

Imagine yourself in ancient China sitting around a camp fire. Everyone is looking at the dinosaur bone you have found, in awe of it's size (of course they do not know what a dinosaur bone is ... only that there are those bones everywhere that occassionally turn up). The teeth on the thing are enormous. As you raise the fossil up, there are shadows cast on the ground twice the size of the fossil that is in your hand. It's teeth resemble the formidable and feared crocodile that inhabits the swamps in your village. The crocodile is no better than the snake to most people. And as you're examining it, an owl flies overhead, swooping through the night, casting it's shadow into the mix with the bone. A bad omen indeed.

Dinosaur bone. Fight/flight feeling from the nighttime. Fear of the alligator. Flying owl. Bad omen. Campfire.

The fire-breathing, flying reptile known as the dragon is born. And you are the reason it is born.

Better yet ... you are the POWER behind the dragon. Better yet, you can become a dragon yourself, like magic. Does that make you half human / half dragon? What an advantage to have in life ... especially over those who fear you and those whom you want to fear you.
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You make a good point. Please bear with me. I'm still learning to think critically. It wasn't long ago that I was one of those people who believed what I was told about religion with "blind faith", so maybe that will help you to see where I'm coming from.

I think I'm becoming infamous around here for being such a scaredy cat.
 
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Marshmallow said:
I agree that none of these stories is completely original - I just think it's weird that the texts are saying exactly same thing as these conspiracy theorists - there are reptiles disguised as humans ruling the world.
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But that is just the point... it's not weird.
It's all some derviation from some story. Like most conspiracies, there is a very simple explanation, it's just not glamorous or sexy enough to make it any fun to believe but it's true.

Another lesson they taught us in film school: A good story is "Same but Different". People generally want to hear the same stories over and over again. It's easier to accept the suspense of disbelief when you are already acustomed to the general notion of the movie.

So if you're basically asking why people keep picking on reptiles instead of rabbits or cows, it's because people are already acustomed to the notion of the reptile being cunning and manipulative that it's easier to follow that line.

Again, blame your bible ;)
 
Marshmallow said:
You make a good point. Please bear with me. I'm still learning to think critically. It wasn't long ago that I was one of those people who believed what I was told about religion with "blind faith", so maybe that will help you to see where I'm coming from.

I think I'm becoming infamous around here for being such a scaredy cat.
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I don't see any problem with you at all. First, you admit to everything you do which is something most people never realize and it's a very good thing.

Second, you raise questions without fully jumping to conclusions while keeping an open mind and a polite civilized discussion.

There's nothing wrong with that what so ever.
 
Marshmallow said:
I don't expect you to understand, since this will seem like a typical "woo" reply, but I have witnessed things that seemed to go beyond just the physical (I won't get into the details, as that would be going too far off topic), and as a result I can't help but believe in some sort of non-physical reality. So, if there is a chance that those things have a basis in reality, there is a part of me that wonders if some of those other things might have some basis in reality.

I know it sounds like a crazy thing to be afraid of, but I have no way of knowing that it's not true. That doesn't mean I believe it, but at the same time, I'm afraid that one day I might suddenly have a real reason to believe it. It's hard to stop my mind from going "What if?" Even though I think a lot of these conspiracy theorists are literally crazy, finding out about their conspiracy theories has kind of traumatized me. And since finding out that people believe all this stuff, part of me has been thinking, "If it doesn't have any basis in truth, why do so many people believe it? Why do so many people claim to have seen other people shapeshift into reptiles?" I know it's not a great argument, but since when has fear been rational?

I know you're right about how these conspiracy theorists think and "research" (if you can call it that), but it's still hard to silence that voice saying, "What if?"



I agree that none of these stories is completely original - I just think it's weird that the texts are saying exactly same thing as these conspiracy theorists - that there are reptiles disguised as humans ruling the world.



You make a good point. Please bear with me. I'm still learning to think critically. It wasn't long ago that I was one of those people who believed what I was told about religion with "blind faith", so maybe that will help you to see where I'm coming from.

I think I'm becoming infamous around here for being such a scaredy cat.
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I think this is an excellent post. I know some people in the CT section have accused you of not being genuine, but I'm not one of them.

I hope the critical thinking works out for you and you can overcome the fear of these things and appreciate them for what they really are: Entertainment.
 
Marshmallow said:
You make a good point. Please bear with me. I'm still learning to think critically. It wasn't long ago that I was one of those people who believed what I was told about religion with "blind faith", so maybe that will help you to see where I'm coming from.
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No worries on my end. The best advice I can give you .... question everything until you are satisfied with the answers ..... or until you have found something to focus on that is more important to you, where the answers will no longer matter even if they were true :)
 
Marshmallow said:
I don't expect you to understand, since this will seem like a typical "woo" reply, but I have witnessed things that seemed to go beyond just the physical (I won't get into the details, as that would be going too far off topic), and as a result I can't help but believe in some sort of non-physical reality. So, if there is a chance that those things have a basis in reality, there is a part of me that wonders if some of those other things might have some basis in reality.

I know it sounds like a crazy thing to be afraid of, but I have no way of knowing that it's not true. That doesn't mean I believe it, but at the same time, I'm afraid that one day I might suddenly have a real reason to believe it. It's hard to stop my mind from going "What if?" Even though I think a lot of these conspiracy theorists are literally crazy, finding out about their conspiracy theories has kind of traumatized me. And since finding out that people believe all this stuff, part of me has been thinking, "If it doesn't have any basis in truth, why do so many people believe it? Why do so many people claim to have seen other people shapeshift into reptiles?" I know it's not a great argument, but since when has fear been rational?

I know you're right about how these conspiracy theorists think and "research" (if you can call it that), but it's still hard to silence that voice saying, "What if?"



I agree that none of these stories is completely original - I just think it's weird that the texts are saying exactly same thing as these conspiracy theorists - that there are reptiles disguised as humans ruling the world.



You make a good point. Please bear with me. I'm still learning to think critically. It wasn't long ago that I was one of those people who believed what I was told about religion with "blind faith", so maybe that will help you to see where I'm coming from.

I think I'm becoming infamous around here for being such a scaredy cat.
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Well, you're in the right place to fix that.
There are plenty real bad things to be scared of, but interstellar aliens sharing enough DNA with anything on this world to be even described as "reptilian" are about as likely as you winning the lottery three weeks running while going over Niagara falls in a barrel.
Actually, vastly less so.

The history of wild speculation , myth and general nonsense goes back to the mists of yesteryear.And then some. People have always imagined wierd stuff- and some have always totally believed it, while others wondered "what if?", others thought "That doesn't sound right" and some said "Totally hooey from start to finish".
You're nearer the middle of the "normal" spectrum than you may think.

If you're interested, you might read up on Blavatsky and theosophism and mystical "science". Some of what she and others said can be interpreted (and is) in terms of modern science. It's a universal truth that all nutcases love to explain their ideas in terms of "Quantum mechanics", because neither they, nor their listeners, understand it. ( If two ideas are incomprehensible, but one is apparently correct, then the other must be too. It's less "fuzzy logic" than diamond edged silliness.

Little in Icke is original. This sort of stuff is old as the hills. It is still being churned out, using "scientific" word salad as dressing, by people like Jude Currivan. (Look her up. Nice lady, but full of hot air).

My advice is don't try to comprehend too much of this stuff at one sitting. Big lies swamp rationality. You start to think there MUST BE SOMETHING in it. There isn't, any more than the Lays of Beleriand reflect reality.

Start small. Read a few sceptical books. Keep asking yourself why science & rationality have taken us from alchemy to electronics in 300 years, but all the ancient wisdom since the mesolithic produced hee-haw. (Actually the REAL ancient wisdom is what we know about plants, animals and reality. The pyramids, ancient gods and stuff is just entertaining fantasy.

Science is a damn sight more interesting than magic. It works.
 
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I get obsessive thoughts, every once in a while-they seem to be harbingers of depressive bouts. I find that saying "it's not real" under my breath, as a mantra works as a palliative, until I can score a new celexxa 'scrip.

Be cool, Ms. Mallow....
 
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