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Continuation - The PG Film - Bob Heironimus and Patty

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JcR said:
What he had on his feet under the suit?
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Boots off, socks on.

Was it Gimlin or Patterson who first approached him about wearing the suit?
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Gimlin, while riding together on mountain trails around Yakima.

As, with Friday night, I wasn't able to call Bob back after I left him a message around 5pm. Had an early start on a show. I have the day off tomorrow and will call him again. He is away from home next week.
 
Casts looking inconsistent with a real foot, I'm assuming you're talking about Patterson's casts as well as Titmus's. Any details on what makes them inconsistent with a real foot? Please forgive my being slow here, I mostly skim through the Sweaty stuff.

I thought Bob H initially said he had his boots and clothes on under the suit? Does he still contend he had his clothes on underneath?
 
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wolftrax said:
Casts looking inconsistent with a real foot, I'm assuming you're talking about Patterson's casts as well as Titmus's. Any details on what makes them inconsistent with a real foot? Please forgive my being slow here, I mostly skim through the Sweaty stuff.
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I'll post the images tomorrow. They are Titmus casts and the toes and upper feet don't match.

I thought Bob H initially said he had his boots and clothes on under the suit? Does he still contend he had his clothes on underneath?
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He said he took his boots off and kept his clothes on.
 
kitakaze said:
Sure, OK, Sweaty. Let's say for argument's sake it does. What it does not change that what you call gobbledy-gook are actually facts. Surely if you are so confident, you don't need to refuse to discuss the facts I'm pointing out there.

These are the houses of Gimlin and Heironimus...

http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=314&pictureid=2273

They have lived there since before the film was shot. Why is it that the only person who has ever claimed to be Patty is friends and neighbours with Gimlin? Gimlin could have sued Heironimus silly after Long's book came out. Why didn't he? Patty Patterson could have, also. Why didn't she? They didn't have an elbow analysis to cling to. They should have sued his butt off.

Why is it that BH could pass two well documented polygraphs when speaking about his involvement with his friend, Gimlin? He doesn't seem to be a pathological liar. He doesn't have a history of scamming people beyond his claim to be in the suit, if he was lying. He rides his horses and fixes up old Chevy's. How does he ace two polygraphs?

And he told me himself that he was with Gimlin at a horse show only two weeks ago, and that they didn't discuss Bigfoot. Should I doubt that? Why should I doubt that?

Have your trump and let's talk about this if your so confident. What's there to be afraid of? You always tell me I can't handle reality, Sweaty, but what I'm asking you about now is reality. No matter what you believe your pictures show, those things I am discussing are facts. So can you handle discussing those facts?
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Patty's extreme 'elbow-reach' TRUMPS all of your gobbledy-gook, posted above. :)


Sorry.
 
SweatyYeti said:
Patty's extreme 'elbow-reach' TRUMPS all of your gobbledy-gook, posted above. :)


Sorry.
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Yes, you said that already. Don't be sorry. I'll spot you. You win. Victory is yours and everything you've posted about elbows is true. I'll go with you on this. Let's accept as fact for the moment that it is physically impossible that Patty could have been Bob Heironimus in a suit and that he lied.

So then what part of my post you quoted was gobbledy-gook and why?

Here are some more important and highly relevant questions every reader here knows you will refuse to answer...

If Bob lied about being Patty, why when Greg Long first spoke with Bob on the phone did he deny any involvement in or knowledge of the Bigfoot documentary Patterson made? He was in that. There's no denying it. There he is on camera. He was in Patterson's film and friends with both him and Gimlin. If he was trying to fake being Patty, why did he try to hide it when some writer came looking for the truth?

Why did he deny to Greg Long that he ever associated with Patterson? Why did he deny that he was the man in the suit? Why did he say to Long when confronted with the facts of his involvement hat he could not discuss it yet, until he spoke with a lawyer? Why did he advise Long to speak with Gimlin because he knew more?
 
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kitakaze said:
Yes, you said that already. Don't be sorry. I'll spot you. You win. Victory is yours and everything you've posted about elbows is true. I'll go with you on this. Let's accept as fact for the moment that it is physically impossible that Patty could have been Bob Heironimus in a suit and that he lied.

So then what part of my post you quoted was gobbledy-gook and why?

Here are some more important and highly relevant questions every reader here knows you will refuse to answer...

If Bob lied about being Patty, why when Greg Long first spoke with Bob on the phone did he deny any involvement in or knowledge of the Bigfoot documentary Patterson made? He was in that. There's no denying it. There he is on camera. He was in Patterson's film and friends with both him and Gimlin. If he was trying to fake being Patty, why did he try to hide it when some writer came looking for the truth?

Why did he deny to Greg Long that he ever associated with Patterson? Why did he deny that he was the man in the suit? Why did he say to Long when confronted with the facts of his involvement hat he could not discuss it yet, until he spoke with a lawyer? Why did he advise Long to speak with Gimlin because he knew more?
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Patty's extreme 'elbow-reach' TRUMPS all of your gobbledy-gook, posted above. :)


Sorry.
 
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So, Sweaty, as you can see, I haven't avoided talking elbows with you.
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To which...in post #423....I had responded:

Yup....that's all you can do, with the elbow measurements...and comparisons.....TALK.

How about SHOWING specifically where, and to what extent there is an error in the upper-arm comparison of Bob and Patty, I just posted??

I'm thinking you won't be able to. :biggrin:
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As expected....and predicted....kitakaze IGNORED that part of my post, while responding to another part of it.


Here is the upper-arm comparison, I was refering to...


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With "Patty-Bob Walton" scaled to a height where her eyes are a little lower than Bob's...(since she's leaning forward, and Bob isn't)...her elbow is distinctly lower than where it MUST be located, if Bob was IN FACT Patty...even after adjusting for her more stooped posture.


Padding has no relevance to this discrepancy....since it is incapable of moving the elbow up or down, along the arm.


Can you say "Physically Impossible"? :)
 
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And.....in post #427....kitakaze endorsed this piece of junk analysis, of Drew's. :)
 
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Sweaty, are you incapable of grasping that the head moves up and down on a vertical axis? That the elbow joint can remain fixed while the head moves up or down? That the eyeline is entrenched in the mass of the head? That a face-mask will distort where the apparent eyeline is? That a suit would distort or even obscure entirely where the apparent limb joints are? That differences in camera and developing lenses, horizon line, degree of foreshortening, and degree of digital "squashing" or lengthening combine to render valueless all comparisons that fail to take these differences into account?
 
I just got off the phone with Bob Heironimus and then Tom Biscardi.

I spoke with first Bob for about 30-40 minutes and then Tom Biscardi for about 20-30 minutes. Here's the highlights...

Part One - Talking with Tom:

- Tom was in Las Vegas when I spoke with him on his cell going into a rehearsal. Tom has a large Vegas show opening tomorrow featuring many famous classic rock and motown acts. He had to have me hold on a couple times and I could hear people all around him in the rehearsal. He was very interesting to talk to and was quite nice and accommodating.

- I emailed Tom last night before a show I had telling Tom that I was a skeptical writer doing research on the PGF. I told Tom that I had heard a rumour in my research that Pat Patterson had hired a lawyer who would upon her passing reveal the PGF as a hoax and how it was done and that he was the source of the rumour. I explained that I heard it grapevine fashion from a young man named Lucas who was a mutual contact of Bob Heironimus, and that Lucas had in turn heard it from an Allen Musky.

Tom said right away that it was "bull$#!%" and he had never said any such thing.

- I spoke with Tom about his July '08 trip to Yakima to meet Pat Patterson and Bob Heironimus. He mentioned Bob doing the walk. I said to Tom, "So you do think the PGF is a hoax." He replied, "I don't think it's a hoax, I know it's a hoax!" He started to continue on about something else and I interrupted, "Why do you know it's a hoax, Tom? And when did you first know it?" Just at that point Tom had to talk with some people and I hung there for about a minute listening to a cacophony of voices wondering how long this call was going to be.

He came back on the phone and moved to a quieter area and apologized. I said I hoped I wasn't holding him up and he said "No, no. I want to talk to you." I asked him again about when he first found out the PGF was a hoax. He said that he knew it was a hoax, but that he doesn't particularly like busting people's bubbles about it and that the film was an icon for many. He said that most "real" Bigfoot researchers know the film is a hoax, but don't want to rock the boat.

Tom then told me that he first learned the film was a hoax when one of Patterson's nephews came to him for money. The suit had been sent over the border, he said. I was confused. "The Canadian border?" I asked. "Why was the suit going over the border." At that point he mentioned Heironimus sending the film, and I said "Yes, from Eureka to Yakima. But Bob sent the suit? I though he sent just the film." He told me "No, not Bob. It was Patterson's nephew. He didn't send it, he was trying to cross the boarder with it." That had to be from Washington into British Columbia, I thought.

He said that when Patterson's nephew tried to cross into Canada with the suit, Canadian Customs had seized the package as suspected illegal contraband. The suit was held for a few days and then released to the nephew with a receipt or some documentation saying it was a fake suit or suit. Tom didn't specify. I thought that would make sense if the suit looked to be animal hair and did in fact have horsehide on it. Tom said that he had demanded to see the receipt from the nephew and "then I thought, Oh $#!%, I almost spent a lot of money on this thing." I assumed Biscardi meant money promoting the film as real.

- Tom jumped around various topics and I knew his type very well. He is the consumate promoter. His character is nearly exactly the same as the lead vocalist of a group I used to tour North America with and I was very comfortable talking with Tom. Tom said most Bigfoot researchers are "internet armchair ___holes" who live only for the drama online and are afraid to rock the boat. I said, "Well, that's what I am here doing. I very much want to rock the boat with the PGF." Tom said, "Well, let me tell you, you just gotta be careful. You gotta watch out for these ___holes who are going to come after you. They will try to throw everything at you. That's what they do to me. I just tell it like it is. You're a researcher, you saw that whole Georgia thing." "Of course," I said. I had forgotten to mention to him about the JREF and the finding of the suit. Oh well. Tom continued, "Those guys got me in the hole $50,000. Almost $100,000 after all the legal $#!%. People say 'That Tom Biscardi is a hoaxer. He just wants attention. He's only out to make money' Yeah, well I'll tell ya. The last part is true. Of course I want to make money. I put a lot of money into this and I want to get some money out of it. Nobody signs my paycheck, but I sign a lot of paychecks."

"You watch out for these guys with ABC's behind their names and a door in front, You know, D and R?" I started laughing. This was Tom, the wildly entertaining Tom that I was used to seeing on news clips and Bigfoot documentaries. "Meldrum, they're all the same. Don't you think they don't want money because that's bull$#!%. Coleman, he's an ___hole." "Oh, you don't need to tell me about Coleman," I said. Tom went on, "Yeah, I caught that guy selling fake casts. I caught him. I said 'I'm gonna expose you.' He was scared $#!%less." "What? Loren Coleman?" I asked? "No, no. Meldrum," he replied.

Tom continued on talking about various projects he had on the go. He said that in between 30 to 60 days he would be revealing Bigfoot DNA. "That sounds very exciting," I said. He mentioned other things that he couldn't tell me because he didn't want to get spooked for his upcoming DVD Bigfoot Lives II. He said, "We're gonna do something big on the PGF for that. We leave it with a big question mark. You know, we don't wanna burst the kids bubbles." We continued to chat and I said I wished him the bst of luck in all his efforts searching for Bigfoot. I said, "So Tom, if I ever have anything to ask you about, info on your projects, any advice, can I call you?" Tom answered, "I got you right here on my hip. Call me anytime." We said good-bye.

What a riot! Tom Biscardi. Now that was a fun conversation.

Coming up in my next post after a jump in the pool I'll continue on with my conversation with Bob Heironimus, which was extremely interesting and had some major bombshells.
 
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Did you inform Tom that the thing in the freezer wasn't a real Bigfoot....or has someone already given him the news??? :D
 
SweatyYeti said:
Did you inform Tom that the thing in the freezer wasn't a real Bigfoot....or has someone already given him the news??? :D
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Oh, I think he knows, Cringer.

Hey, Sweaty, did anyone inform you that the thing in the IMAX caribou DVD was just a crew member in the shot, are you still scribbling on that and calling it a Bigfoot hunting? LOL.
 
LTC8K6 said:
It was as real as any other bigfoot...
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Nice one.

I'm watching "American Paranormal" on National Geographic right now, and they're seeking to prove/disprove the existence of bigfoot by analyzing the Patterson/Gimlin/Heironimus film, with Munns and Meldrum leading the way. I have a pretty good idea the conclusion will be that bigfoot is real. Not sure why, just a hunch, lol.

National Geographic should be ashamed of themselves for putting this tripe out there. At any moment I expect to see some of Sweaty's nonsensical irrelevant crayon scribbling, lol.
 
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LTC8K6 said:
It was as real as any other bigfoot...
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Not quite as real as the one in Upstate New York, that Joyce saw. :)

I still remember getting her call, like it was yesterday....or, just a few minutes ago, actually. I was reeeeee-laxin', watching my son's baseball game, when she called...

It was.........so very COOL!
 
Drewbot said:
What? I really can't see what you are talking about. I try, and try, but don't see where the elbows look different. It looks like Bob, or any other (approx. 6' tall) person could be in that suit. And if not, your example certainly doesn't show it.
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If anything, it shows Bob is too big to be the 7'6 tall Patty. Who knew Bob was such a giant, lol.

Funny, yet sad at the same time.
 
kitakaze said:
Oh, I think he knows, Cringer.

Hey, Sweaty, did anyone inform you that the thing in the IMAX caribou DVD was just a crew member in the shot, are you still scribbling on that and calling it a Bigfoot hunting? LOL.
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I see you're still unable to show where the error is, in the upper-arm comparison I posted above, kitz. :)


But, I'm really glad to hear that someone let the guy know about the rug in the freezer. Imagine how the poor lad must have felt, going on live TV, and announcing to the whole entire world that he saw the BIGFOOT up close, and it was REALLY REAL.... :jaw-dropp ....only to find out later, that it wasn't. Gee whiz, that must have been one special piece of rug...to fool Tom, like that!! ;)

I'm glad you got to talk to him....he's invaluable! HA HA HA HA HA...
 
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