Choosing a Martial Art

qayak said:
But several grades of daft below claiming that BJJ is a stand up art which is what I responded to. That claim is as ridiculous as claiming karate is really a ground grappling art.

And the claim I responded to was put forth in order to support the argument that BJJ is a realistic self defence art that can be effectively applied standing up. In general, BJJ uses stand up grappling as a means to get someone to the ground where they are much more effective. The trouble with going to the ground in a self defence situation is that it leaves you very vulnerable.
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Once again, I ask you where your evidence is.

A popular woo-MA argument is "BJJ sucks because my woo-MA is better able to handle multiple attackers". However evidence that this is the case is thin on the ground. It seems to me this is a combination of armchair generalship and outright wishful thinking.
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
A popular woo-MA argument is "BJJ sucks because my woo-MA is better able to handle multiple attackers".
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This is a strawman of your own making. That you can read that much into my words is more an indication of your own woo-MA claims than it is of mine. Every martial has its strengths and limitations. I have trained BJJ and simply pointed out one drawback to using it as one's main method of self defense.

So, unless you are making the claim that BJJ is the be all and end all of MA, I don't see where our differences lie.
 
qayak said:
So, unless you are making the claim that BJJ is the be all and end all of MA, I don't see where our differences lie.
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Oh jebus freaking jumping-jack christmas, no one has claimed BJJ is "the be all and end all of MA" in this thread. The irony of you making this statement right after accusing Kevin of a strawman makes your post even more ridiculous.
 
GreNME said:
Oh jebus freaking jumping-jack christmas, no one has claimed BJJ is "the be all and end all of MA" in this thread. The irony of you making this statement right after accusing Kevin of a strawman makes your post even more ridiculous.
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A reading comprehension course really should be high up on your "To Do" list. I never claimed anyone said any such thing. I simply stated that unless Kevin Lowe was making such a claim, we had nothing to argue about.

On the other hand, you failed to address the strawman of me being accused of saying that any other MA was better than BJJ. Please cite where I said that or ask the person who made the claim to point you to where I said that.

Dishonesty or lack of comprehension on your part? That is the question I wrestle with here. At this point, I think it is the latter but only time will tell.
 
More irony in that you're demanding I address what you accuse Kevin of after you make a similar divergent statement.

You two are talking right past each other, and the only predictable outcome is a typical weiner-swinging match about who's kung-fu is stronger. No thanks, not interested in a pissing match.
 
GreNME said:
More irony in that you're demanding I address what you accuse Kevin of after you make a similar divergent statement.

You two are talking right past each other, and the only predictable outcome is a typical weiner-swinging match about who's kung-fu is stronger. No thanks, not interested in a pissing match.
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And yet you jumped in with your weiner swinging. Me thinks you protest too much. Perhaps it isnt' that you don't like a weiner swinging contest, perhaps it is that you lack in weiner to swing. :rolleyes:
 
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How could he both "jump in with his weiner swinging" and "lack a weiner to swing"?

(Logic Kwan Do)
 
I'm going to re-watch Kung Pow: Enter The Fist in honor of this thread.
 
cornsail said:
How could he both "jump in with his weiner swinging" and "lack a weiner to swing"?

(Logic Kwan Do)
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Perhaps you should try that Logic Kwan Do art before you open your mouth and make a complete fool of yourself. I didn't say "lack a weiner to swing," I said "lack in weiner to swing."

'Tis true.

Check it out.

Be amazed.

You, GreNME and Kevin Lowe are experts at Strawman Fu. I hope any actual MA training you have is more realistic based . . . but I doubt it.
 
cornsail said:
So "martial arts" includes all weapons except firearms by your definition?

I've been using a colloquial meaning of the phrase (referring to unarmed fighting).
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Yes. Do you not think the use of melee and missle weapons part of fighting? Even firearms could be considered part of martial arts, in some contexts.
 
qayak said:
You, GreNME and Kevin Lowe are experts at Strawman Fu. I hope any actual MA training you have is more realistic based . . . but I doubt it.
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Delvo said:
I thought it was just a demonstration of sen-so hyu ma.
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I see you are familiar with the ancient form. I also sensed the form of Iro-Nee at play as well.
 
I have no training in MA but my best friend has a black belt in Hisardut (Also Israeli).
Hisardut:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Hisardut® system is not a random collection of techniques but a comprehensive system that was designed from inception as a modern "all-dimensional" (all ranges of fighting) method of engagement and all-around survival system. The Hisardut® curriculum was developed from a systematic study of preferred elements from various martial arts, military close combat methods, police use of force tactics, and actual incidents involving confrontations between police/military/security/civilians and terrorists/criminals. Only the most practical and realistic techniques and tactics were adopted, improved upon and are now taught as one system.
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[FONT=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]The Hisardut® down-to-earth training curriculum is stripped away of non-essentials. It is based on science and experience, not theory. Our training method teach universal survival principles that works regardless of the threat and techniques that are simple to learn and easy to remember. We use realistic training scenarios that are based on actual events to teach practical skills that work in the real world. All the techniques taught are designed to enhance instinctive responses using natural body mechanics while eliminating peripheral moves. The Hisardut® curriculum is constantly tested and updated with answers to the latest emerging terrorist trends and threats.[/FONT]
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You don't want to meet this guy and his Hisardut buddies in a dark alley.​
 
qayak said:
Perhaps you should try that Logic Kwan Do art before you open your mouth and make a complete fool of yourself. I didn't say "lack a weiner to swing," I said "lack in weiner to swing."
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I've never heard the phrase "you lack in weiner", so I assumed a typo. It sort of makes sense now that I think about it.

You, GreNME and Kevin Lowe are experts at Strawman Fu. I hope any actual MA training you have is more realistic based . . . but I doubt it.
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Yeah, not only is my MA training not realistic based, but I lack in weiner...
 
qayak said:
I like how you need to change the definition of BJJ in order for it to be an effective self defence art. That alone makes it less than optimal.
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Clearly, you have no clue what you're talking about.
WP said:
The art was derived from the Japanese martial art of Kodokan Judo in the early 20th century...
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qayak said:
As to all your other whining, I wasn't arguing with your points, I was simply stating a fact.
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Cause you had no arguments for my points.
 
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