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Chavez vs the USA

I would not characterize what Chavez does "scapegoating".
Why? Do you think the US caused the Haitian earthquake?

As far as earthquakes being caused by other than natural means, the jury is out on whether or not this is possible.
A sure sign their meds need to be adjusted. Because it isn't possible, at least with current technology.

However if it is,
It's not.

and there was any sort of political reason for causing a genocidal, destructive and disruptive earthquake, naturally, for many reasons, THE prime suspect from any intelligent South or Central American leaders perspective would be the US and the CIA."
Because none of their problems are homegrown...
 
OK guys, help me out here: Why can't I find one single video on youtube of Chavez saying this? All I found was a video of a news report (from some channel I don't even know) where a woman claims Chavez said such thing, then they put a footage of Chavez but you can't hear what he's saying.
 
To the best of my knowledge Chavez never claimed the USA caused either the Haiti or Chilean earthquakes. He did claim the USA was using the Haiti quake as a pretext to invade that country in order to use it as a springboard to attack Cuba, or him, or something.....
 
To the best of my knowledge Chavez never claimed the USA caused either the Haiti or Chilean earthquakes. He did claim the USA was using the Haiti quake as a pretext to invade that country in order to use it as a springboard to attack Cuba, or him, or something.....

OK, maybe he didn't say it himself, but his state run news agency did.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,583588,00.html
 
Yes, he did. DC was not so much 'invented' as it was discovered and harnessed.
Tesla did work with DC as well of course. DC is much more 'useful' than is AC. AC is simply used for long distance high current transmission.

With AC one can compensate for the impedances introduced by a long line. With DC that impedance is strictly resistive and cannot be changed as it is directly a function of the line length and current, and nothing else (well temperature too but that can't really be controlled).

Converting DC to AC is expensive and lossy BUT in 1000KM long transmission lines the fact that DC requires only two wires makes it cost effective over the 3 lines for 3 phase AC transmission.
Nope. DC is generally less lossy than AC. The only reason why you don't see it all over the place is that working with it on a large scale is a pain in the ass.
 
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To the best of my knowledge Chavez never claimed the USA caused either the Haiti or Chilean earthquakes. He did claim the USA was using the Haiti quake as a pretext to invade that country in order to use it as a springboard to attack Cuba, or him, or something.....


One right, one wrong.

You're right that Chavez did not claim the US caused the Haiti earthquakes. That was discussed in a thread over in Social Issues, "Obama causes earthquakes...", back in January. A surprising number of people demonstrated their gullibility in that one.

Kuko 4000 posted a link in that thread to a good explanation of what happened:

BoRev.net said:
The news is reporting on something maddeningly crazy that Hugo Chavez has said, only when you conduct your own independent investigation involving sophisticated journalistic techniques (Google) you find out that it is all, in fact, complete ********. Here's how it worked this time, pretty much exactly like it works every other time:

1. Some Venezuelan blogger wrote a weird story about the U.S. causing the Haiti earthquake with some sort of earthquake weapon.

2. A website operated by a Venezuelan state TV channel included a link to the post in their roundup of Haiti coverage from all over the country.

3. Some right-wing newspaper in Spain published a story about the link, referring to it as a Venezuelan state "press release."

4. Fox News reports the Spanish story, saying the earthquake weapon claim comes from "Hugo Chavez' mouthpiece."

5. Randomly, Vladimir Putin's English language teevee channel Russia Today claims that Chavez himself made the statement. This video report is picked up all over the ****ing place, Drudge sirens!!

6. Right wing news "analysts" opine about what level of threat this represents to the United States.


You're wrong about Chavez claiming the US invaded Haiti as part of a plan to invade Cuba or Venezuela.

Or, if he did say any such thing, I did not find it when this claim got brought up in that previous earthquake thread. There was a Reuters' item about Chavez's invasion remarks which I found and read. It did not give a complete transcript of Chavez's remarks, but did summarize them and quote from them. From that, it did not sound like he said anything like you claim he did. What he said sounded more like a policy criticism of how the US was handling relief efforts: that he thought the US was sending more soldiers than needed for the situation and should instead be sending more humanitarian aid.

Reuters said:
"I read that 3,000 soldiers are arriving, Marines armed as if they were going to war. There is not a shortage of guns there, my God. Doctors, medicine, fuel, field hospitals, that's what the United States should send," Chavez said on his weekly television show. "They are occupying Haiti undercover."

"On top of that, you don't see them in the streets. Are they picking up bodies? ... Are they looking for the injured? You don't see them. I haven't seen them. Where are they?"

Chavez promised to send as much gasoline as Haiti needs for electricity generation and transport.

A perennial foe of U.S. "imperialism," Chavez said he did not wish to diminish the humanitarian effort made by the United States and was only questioning the need for so many troops.


If you can find a transcript of Chavez's remarks in which he talks about the US using the Haiti earthquake as a step towards invading either Cuba or Venezuela, I would be interested in seeing it. But until someone does provide text of such remarks, this looks to me like a case of people who are predisposed to dislike Chavez being a bit gullible at believing bad things said about him.

I don't know enough about Chavez to like or dislike him. But I do dislike people on a skeptical site attributing remarks to someone without bothering to look up what the person actually said. How are we going to convince others, such as believers in the paranormal, to look up the facts of a matter before spouting off, if we are not willing to do that ourselves?
 
OK, maybe he didn't say it himself, but his state run news agency did.


Did they? Then perhaps you can provide details about this.

Here's a fairly basic detail you can start with. Who in his state run news agency wrote or said this? From there, we can determine what position that person holds, what it was they said, how and where it appeared, and other relevant details.

If you're right, then providing those details will significantly strengthen your claim.
 
Did they? Then perhaps you can provide details about this.

Here's a fairly basic detail you can start with. Who in his state run news agency wrote or said this? From there, we can determine what position that person holds, what it was they said, how and where it appeared, and other relevant details.

If you're right, then providing those details will significantly strengthen your claim.

forget it already. Sheesh
 
If you can find a transcript of Chavez's remarks in which he talks about the US using the Haiti earthquake as a step towards invading either Cuba or Venezuela, I would be interested in seeing it. But until someone does provide text of such remarks, this looks to me like a case of people who are predisposed to dislike Chavez being a bit gullible at believing bad things said about him.

I don't know enough about Chavez to like or dislike him. But I do dislike people on a skeptical site attributing remarks to someone without bothering to look up what the person actually said. How are we going to convince others, such as believers in the paranormal, to look up the facts of a matter before spouting off, if we are not willing to do that ourselves?

Why question the use of troops unless you think they are being used for nefarious purposes?
 
To the best of my knowledge Chavez never claimed the USA caused either the Haiti or Chilean earthquakes. He did claim the USA was using the Haiti quake as a pretext to invade that country in order to use it as a springboard to attack Cuba, or him, or something.....

Thank you.

And shame on you, Alferd Packer, for repeating misinformation.
 
Tesla was a genius who was far ahead of his time, and is responsible for pioneering our electrical power grid. If Edison's idiotic ideas were implemented, there would be a huge power plant on every corner. If Tesla were allowed to continue his research unharrased we would have no ugly power lines and energy would have been clean and cheap a long time ago. What Berdon was talking about has nothing to do with "perputual motion machines", he is not a crank by any means. Reich was a genius on many levels, far surpassing both Freud and Einstein in their respective fields. He was systematically destroyed by the FDA and US courts and his books and laboratory works were confiscated and actually BURNED in the USA. What was done to Reich is one of the most despicable chapters in US history. Surpression of energy technology is a well documented FACT.

The good news is that soon all three of these men will be proven to be right and the existing laws of conservation of energy and thermodynamics will be exposed for the flat earth hoaxes that they are. I wonder why every highschool student knows about Edison, Freud, and Einstein but not Tesla, and Reich? Maybe even YOU could figure that out after you have read some of their works.

"Mans Right To Know" google video

29 minutes


But in your defense you spouted the party line chapter and verse. You assimilate well! Eddie Bernays would be proud.

wow, Chevez was right! When will he say it?
 
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I'm still wondering how the laws of conservation of energy and thermodynamics support the idea of a flat earth.
 
Why question the use of troops unless you think they are being used for nefarious purposes?


For one reason: because you think humanitarian aid can more effectively be accomplished by sending fewer troops and more relief workers.

You asserted that Chavez had said the US sent troops to Haiti as a prelude to an invasion of Cuba or Venezuela. When challenged on that, and asked to provide any examples of him saying that, you seem to be falling back on saying, well, no, he didn't say it in so many words, but what else could he have meant? That is the same type of argument made by many conspiracy theorists to justify their theories when they can't produce any actual evidence.

Again: if you think Chavez said that the US invaded Haiti as a prelude to invading Cuba or Venezuela, please provide the quote.

(Helpful hint: the word Cuba or Venezuela should appear somewhere in the quote.)
 
If you can find a transcript of Chavez's remarks in which he talks about the US using the Haiti earthquake as a step towards invading either Cuba or Venezuela, I would be interested in seeing it. But until someone does provide text of such remarks, this looks to me like a case of people who are predisposed to dislike Chavez being a bit gullible at believing bad things said about him.
So you admit that Chavez has accused the US of invading and occupying Haiti?
 

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