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Chavez vs the USA

technoextreme said:
Wait a second wait a second wait a second. I find it really stupid that you are whinnying about Tesla being unknown when anyone with a modicum of physics background knows that he's one of the few people with a unit named after him.
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Plus anyone who has played Command and Conquer knows about Tesla coils.
 
Childlike Empress said:
Are you saying that his technology worked but was denied support because of economical considerations?
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I believe some of it worked.

Edison was brilliant, if also an unmitigated douchebag.

It's possible that Tesla's ideas regarding power distribution were actively opposed by the industrialists...and in order to get your technology adopted en masse, you have to be willing to play this game. Edison had no problem doing it, and was far more well-connected.

It's interesting to note that Tesla's DC is used as much, if not more than AC. Electronic circuitry needs the precision and stability of DC power, but AC is much better suited at certain other tasks.

Makes one wonder what would have happened had these two collaborated.

I bet I'd have my goddamned jetpack by now.
 
IIRC Tesla's biggest contribution was the ac electric motor..
As far as Dc power transmission goes...
............DC transmission has a number of advantages and is being more widely used. For example, a DC line, requiring only 2 conductors instead of the 3 needed for an AC line, costs about two-thirds as much. Further, in DC transmission the effective voltage is equal to the peak voltage, while in AC transmission the peak voltage is 40% higher. Since radio interference increases with the peak voltage and decreases as the conductor size is increased, the DC system can carry a higher effective voltage than an AC line of equivalent size and still maintain an acceptable radio interference level. Thus, in some long lines carrying bulk power from remote generating sites, power is generated as AC, boosted to a high voltage, converted to DC for transmission, then reconverted to AC and transformed to a lower voltage for use. The cost of the converter stations at either end is offset by the lower cost of the line. An example of DC transmission is Manitoba's Nelson River line, which carries power from generating plants on the Nelson River to Winnipeg, almost 1000 km south. DC transmission is also advantageous for transmitting power through submarine cables, such as the line from the British Columbia mainland to Vancouver Island. ........
.............As of 1982, Manitoba Hydro's Nelson River system, which began service in 1972, was the largest high-voltage DC transmission system in the world. In 1965 Hydro-Québec inaugurated its 735 kV Manicouagan line, thus becoming the first utility to go above 500 kV AC for transmission. Since even higher voltages will probably be needed in the future, the utilities are supporting research into transmission at voltages in excess of 1000 kV.
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elecronic ccts simply cannot operate using AC. It has to be converted to dc and heavily filtered to get rid of the nasty 60Hz (and harmonics) 'hum'.

If your older TV set has a horizontal bar that rolls through the picture slowly THAT is 60 Hz hum on the DC. In more modern ccts it can render digital ccts utterly useless.
 
I am unaware of any law that states that someone is an indisputable expert on everything just because they invented some really cool stuff once.
 
Dandyone said:
Surpression of energy technology is a well documented FACT.
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Aye, 'tis true. But this is less the result of a conspiracy than it is from just a general climate of fear amongst the public. But this is rapidly changing and nuclear energy is on the rise once again.

Unlike those who choose ton spew paranoia and bigotry over the internet, I am actively doing something about the fear and superstition that is holding back our energy future. I am writing this from a hotel room 250 miles from my home where tomorrow I am going to go before a gathering of school teachers on behalf of the Canadian Nuclear Society to tell them about our free gieger counters for schools program.

Demystifying and removing the superstitions from radiation and nuclear technology for the next generation will bring us closer to a future of clean, cheap and abundant energy.

the existing laws of conservation of energy and thermodynamics will be exposed for the flat earth hoaxes that they are.
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This is just stark raving silly.

You sound less and less like a real person and more like a writer for The Onion with each post.

EDIT: Full disclosure, I myself am not a nuclear engineer or physicist... but I am staying at a Holiday Inn express! :D
 
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aggle-rithm said:
Tesla was free to continue his research all along. He simply had to use his own money, since his investors didn't want to pay for a system where everyone got electricity for free.
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I doubt that is the case. Remember the Tesla coil was supposed to be the method of wireless transmission. The coil itself was lost loads of power as travel away from it. It doesn't mean wireless transmission won't work. It just means that the Tesla coil itself wasn't not the right way to do this.
 
Alferd_Packer said:
Hey, Chavez blamed the Haiti earthquake on the U.S., it's a sure bet that he'll find a way to do the same here.
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But let's wait until he does (if he does) before we say he did.

Otherwise we get confused. That's how false rumors start.
 
scissorhands said:
Wilhelm Reich and his orgone accumulator inspired this classic track.

Not sure he accomplished anything with the actual device though.



You know you are on solid scientific ground when psychedelic rock bands latch on to your ideas.
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That track is the only valuable thing I actually got out of this thread...aside from being schooled on what a bunch of crafty rooskies those neo-cons are...
 
JoeyDonuts said:
It's interesting to note that Tesla's DC is used as much, if not more than AC. Electronic circuitry needs the precision and stability of DC power, but AC is much better suited at certain other tasks.
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I have no idea where this thread has gone, but just as a point of fact, didn't Tesla invent AC? Or at least didn't he develop the basis for modern AC technology?
 
jaydeehess said:
I'm sorry, I've only recently looked at this thread.

So let me get this straight, did he or did he not blame the Chilean earthquake on the USA?
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That's what I asked a long time ago. It seems that the title of this thread is a falsehood.
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
I have no idea where this thread has gone, but just as a point of fact, didn't Tesla invent AC? Or at least didn't he develop the basis for modern AC technology?
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He thought outside the box and came up with some really revolutionary ideas, AC among them. Unfortunately, for some reason there is a tendency to attribute magic powers to him that were suppressed by the NWO or whatever.
 
jaydeehess said:
I'm sorry, I've only recently looked at this thread.

So let me get this straight, did he or did he not blame the Chilean earthquake on the USA?
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No. And there doesn't seem to be evidence that he said that about the Haïtian earthquake either.
 
So obviously the NWO is planting these false rumours about Chavez in order to discredit him. Therefore Chavez is correct about HAARP causing the earthquakes otherwise the NWO would not be so eager to discredit him by making it appear that he said that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,the USA caused the earthquakes....................


what!!! what!!! what!!!:eek:
 
JoeTheJuggler said:
I have no idea where this thread has gone, but just as a point of fact, didn't Tesla invent AC? Or at least didn't he develop the basis for modern AC technology?
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Yes, he did. DC was not so much 'invented' as it was discovered and harnessed.
Tesla did work with DC as well of course. DC is much more 'useful' than is AC. AC is simply used for long distance high current transmission.

With AC one can compensate for the impedances introduced by a long line. With DC that impedance is strictly resistive and cannot be changed as it is directly a function of the line length and current, and nothing else (well temperature too but that can't really be controlled).

Converting DC to AC is expensive and lossy BUT in 1000KM long transmission lines the fact that DC requires only two wires makes it cost effective over the 3 lines for 3 phase AC transmission.
 
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