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Chavez vs the USA

Sword_Of_Truth said:
Blatant hate-driven bull@#$%.

You obviously have no connection with the real world at all.
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OK since the end of WWII which countrys military has killed more people than the US. Which country has dropped more bombs on foreign nations? I sure can't think of anyone that is even in the same league. The US dropped more bombs in Viet Nam than all of those involved in WWII combined. And US troops have killed far more than ANY other country since '45. Why is telling the truth "hate driven bs"?
 
Dandyone said:
OK since the end of WWII which countrys military has killed more people than the US. Which country has dropped more bombs on foreign nations? I sure can't think of anyone that is even in the same league. The US dropped more bombs in Viet Nam than all of those involved in WWII combined. And US troops have killed far more than ANY other country since '45. Why is telling the truth "hate driven bs"?
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This argument is so tired and old - I really wish the US haters would get a new one. Have you also looked at the amount of LIVES SAVED by all the money spent by Americans and the government on foreign aid? How many millions have been stopped from dying of starvation due to organizations funded in large part by Americans or the government? How many US business men, like Bill Gates, have saved the lives of millions with vaccines through their philanthropy? (Oh wait, your a woo, I'm sure the vaccine is just a plot to kill them all - right?)

If you want to get out a great measuring scale and determine how evil the US is, you'll also need to pile on the other side with all the lives saved...but then that wouldn't further your ideological propaganda, would it?
 
Dandyone said:
OK since the end of WWII which countrys military has killed more people than the US. Which country has dropped more bombs on foreign nations? I sure can't think of anyone that is even in the same league. The US dropped more bombs in Viet Nam than all of those involved in WWII combined. And US troops have killed far more than ANY other country since '45. Why is telling the truth "hate driven bs"?
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And you're saying that all this caused an earthquake?
 
LightinDarkness said:
This argument is so tired and old - I really wish the US haters would get a new one. Have you also looked at the amount of LIVES SAVED by all the money spent by Americans and the government on foreign aid? How many millions have been stopped from dying of starvation due to organizations funded in large part by Americans or the government? How many US business men, like Bill Gates, have saved the lives of millions with vaccines through their philanthropy? (Oh wait, your a woo, I'm sure the vaccine is just a plot to kill them all - right?)

If you want to get out a great measuring scale and determine how evil the US is, you'll also need to pile on the other side with all the lives saved...but then that wouldn't further your ideological propaganda, would it?
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I believe that the world would be a better place for all if the US would bring all their troops home and quit bombing people. Helping feed starving people would be a better way to spend our wealth. If you do a balance sheet regarding how much we spend on equipment and explosives that are specifically designed to KILL people and DESTROY property against how much we spend on humanitarian aid I bet it's about 1000 to 1. And speaking of humanitarian aid using such globalist organizations as the IMF or World Bank, you'll find that most of these "humanitarian" projects cause more harm than good, and are done for nefarious reasons. Read "Confessions Of An Economic Hit Man". Perhaps you could learn something from someone who REALLY knows what is going on out there. But that would probably not be in lock step with the propaganda you deal in.
 
Dandyone said:
I believe that the world would be a better place for all if the US would bring all their troops home and quit bombing people.
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These people don't seem to mind.
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sadhatter said:
The way it goes?

Yes i agree people do look for scapegoats, and are quick to place blame at the easiest place, but you have 2 choices. Either you can be a follower, and do this as well because it is easier, or you can use your own brain and make your own decisions.

And if you chose the second option, then you have the benefit of not coming off as an angry young man wanting to blame authority for any problems. But its a free country, no one is forcing you to think.
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:D
 
Then again, maybe we shouldn't be accusing Chavez of saying something he hasn't. That's how rumours get spread, y'know!

However, there is some loony news site called Citizens for Legitimate Government which pretends to be a legitimate news site but, in fact, sees conspiracy in everything.

Here's how they reported the earthquake:

"Massive earthquake strikes Chile 27 Feb 2010 A massive earthquake with an initial magnitude of 8.8 has struck central Chile. The quake struck at 0634 GMT about 91km (56 miles) north-east of the city of Concepcion and 317km south-west of the capital, Santiago. Buildings in Santiago were reported to have shaken for between 10 and 30 seconds, with the loss of electricity and communications. The US issued an initial tsunami warning for Chile, Peru and Ecuador. That was later extended to Colombia, Antarctica, Panama and Costa Rica. [HAARP]"

Later, they gave an update on the earthquake and slipped in references to HAARP from Wikipedia for no apparent reason.

The editor is some crazy person called Lori Price.
 
angrysoba said:
:D
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I would not characterize what Chavez does "scapegoating". He blames US policy makers and CIA because he feels that they have illegally tried to usurp his power as the duly elected leader of his country from the time he was elected. He also believes that there have been attempts to murder him that were CIA induced. Perhaps he has talked to family members of Salvador Allende or one of the several other elected former leaders in his region that have been murdered or victimized by coups. What I am saying is that perhaps he is not just some paranoid nut case and that his fears are based on reality. That's another way YOU could look at it.

As far as earthquakes being caused by other than natural means, the jury is out on whether or not this is possible. However if it is, and there was any sort of political reason for causing a genocidal, destructive and disruptive earthquake, naturally, for many reasons, THE prime suspect from any intelligent South or Central American leaders perspective would be the US and the CIA."
 
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It got cold! In Central Florida!

I blame my ex-girlfriend. She treated me like crap for years. She has to be to responsible for it.
 
Dandyone said:
I would not characterize what Chavez does "scapegoating". He blames US policy makers and CIA because he feels that they have illegally tried to usurp his power as the duly elected leader of his country from the time he was elected. He also believes that there have been attempts to murder him that were CIA induced. Perhaps he has talked to family members of Salvador Allende or one of the several other elected former leaders in his region that have been murdered or victimized by coups. What I am saying is that perhaps he is not just some paranoid nut case and that his fears are based on reality. That's another way YOU could look at it.

As far as earthquakes being caused by other than natural means, the jury is out on whether or not this is possible. However if it is, and there was any sort of political reason for causing a genocidal, destructive and disruptive earthquake, naturally, for many reasons, THE prime suspect from any intelligent South or Central American leaders perspective would be the US and the CIA."
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None of this mindless drivel becomes any truer just because you repeated it.

Chavez may be democratically elected but he is still a nutcase. Case in point: him claiming the US was trying to invade Haiti after the earthquake.
 
Dandyone said:
As far as earthquakes being caused by other than natural means, the jury is out on whether or not this is possible. However if it is, and there was any sort of political reason for causing a genocidal, destructive and disruptive earthquake, naturally, for many reasons, THE prime suspect from any intelligent South or Central American leaders perspective would be the US and the CIA."
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I think G.K Chesterton was right to some extent, "Once people stop believing in God they don't cease believing in something but begin believing in anything."

Well, I could quibble with that but those who once believed earthquakes were the result of God stamping his feet or breaking wind no longer believe in God but instead see the US as some kind of omnipotent being that strikes out in a seemingly arbitrary way causing death and destruction purely for the Hell of it.
 
Note to Chavez and friends:

If the CIA wants you out of power, they will bribe your generals/dissident groups/political adversaries into attempting to wrest power from you with financial backing and by providing arms and spreading propaganda against you in your domestic media.

If the CIA wants you out of power, they will NOT create earthquakes in Haiti and Chile.
-they couldn't if they wanted to
-if they could (which they can't),they would create earthquakes IN VENEZUELA
-if they did (which they wouldn't), an earthquake wouldn't guarantee Chavez's death or political collapse

I'm no flag-waver myself. America has done a lot of bad **** in order to get where it is today. But if you think Chavez is somehow correct to suspect the US of causing earthquakes in other countries and not just talking **** about people he is not friends with, then you are just silly.
 
I"m appalled!!!

Travis said:
None of this mindless drivel becomes any truer just because you repeated it.

Chavez may be democratically elected but he is still a nutcase. Case in point: him claiming the US was trying to invade Haiti after the earthquake.
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Yeah, what a nutcase. Where did Chavez ever get the idea that the US would meddle in the affairs of the Haitians? And you are darn right. NOBODY in the western hemisphere is ever really democratically elected unless Dick Cheney and Henry Kissinger sign off on it. We can't let these savages elect just anyone. I think that Aristide also might be a Marxist or something bad. Thanks for the heads up.


http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/COH403A.html


"In the early morning hours of February 29, the President and some family members were taken by Moreno and the Marines to an airplane rented by the U.S. State Department. Moreno told the President that he must give Moreno a letter of resignation and agree to ask no questions about where he would be taken, or the President and his wife would be left at the airport and they would be killed.

Under extreme duress, President Aristide signed a letter of resignation and boarded the plane. During the flight, despite their repeated requests, the President and his wife were forbidden from communicating with anyone in the outside world. They were never asked whether their destination, the Central African Republic, was acceptable to them. Because they were prevented from having any communication, the President and his wife were prevented from seeking the agreement of other countries to accept their arrival.

Although both George W. Bush and Colin Powell had said they would not send U.S. troops to Haiti until there was a political solution, U.S. troops were ordered to Haiti within one hour of President Aristide’s departure. Dick Cheney denied that the United States arrested or forcibly ousted President Aristide, saying that President Aristide, who had “worn out his welcome with the Haitian people,” had “left of his own free will.”
 
morgasm said:
Note to Chavez and friends:

If the CIA wants you out of power, they will bribe your generals/dissident groups/political adversaries into attempting to wrest power from you with financial backing and by providing arms and spreading propaganda against you in your domestic media.

If the CIA wants you out of power, they will NOT create earthquakes in Haiti and Chile.
-they couldn't if they wanted to
-if they could (which they can't),they would create earthquakes IN VENEZUELA
-if they did (which they wouldn't), an earthquake wouldn't guarantee Chavez's death or political collapse

I'm no flag-waver myself. America has done a lot of bad **** in order to get where it is today. But if you think Chavez is somehow correct to suspect the US of causing earthquakes in other countries and not just talking **** about people he is not friends with, then you are just silly.
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Maybe CIA and Corporation USA didn't want to destroy the huge oil infrastructure that they still believe belongs to THEM. And in case you are not aware of this fact, they already tried to oust Chavez several times by the EXACT means you have just described. I think you may be a little under informed regarding Chavez and the CIA. "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" is a great documentary that can be seen on google video for free.

As far as creating earthquakes, I don't know if the technology is available, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if it were. My take on Chavez is that he is for the common people of his country. He's a bit eccentric, but I think he has a good heart and truly loves his country. I would pay $1000 bucks for ringside seats to watch him beat GW Bush to a bloody pulp man to man, which I'm sure he would be able to do. Hugo is a real man.
 
Wow.

Another "Confessions of an Economic Hit Man" devotee.

I bet you like Kevin Trudeau, too.
 
Dandyone said:
Maybe CIA and Corporation USA didn't want to destroy the huge oil infrastructure that they still believe belongs to THEM. And in case you are not aware of this fact, they already tried to oust Chavez several times by the EXACT means you have just described. I think you may be a little under informed regarding Chavez and the CIA. "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised" is a great documentary that can be seen on google video for free.

As far as creating earthquakes, I don't know if the technology is available, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if it were. My take on Chavez is that he is for the common people of his country. He's a bit eccentric, but I think he has a good heart and truly loves his country. I would pay $1000 bucks for ringside seats to watch him beat GW Bush to a bloody pulp man to man, which I'm sure he would be able to do. Hugo is a real man.
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Oh I agree with you that the CIA has probably flirted (probably gotten to second base even) with the idea of removing Chavez. But this earthquake talk is nonsense and just Chavez talking **** about the Great Satan. And don't fall in love with Chavez just because he is anti-American. He is a power-hungry oppurtunist concerned with his own eminence before all else. All politicians are "men of the people".
 
Former President Bush was ineffective stumblebum of a president. But I doubt Chavez could take him mano-a-mano.

I got an old shipmate that used to work at WHCA, and from time to time had to bring messages for the POTUS to sign acknowledgement receipt or some such. George Bush was in fantastic physical shape. Perhaps if he spent more time worrying about the ethical implications of his decisions instead of burning thousands of calories a day on the treadmill, things would have turned out differently.
 
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